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Catholic Church defends support of DREAM Act [ would help young illegal immigrants illegalls ]
contracostatimes ^ | Sept 10 2010 | Liset Márquez, Staff Writer

Posted on 09/12/2010 4:59:03 PM PDT by NoLibZone

RANCHO CUCAMONGA - The Catholic Diocese of San Bernardino is defending its decision to hold an event in the city that rallied support around legislation that would aid undocumented young people.

The gathering at Sacred Heart Roman Catholic Church aimed to raise awareness and promote advocacy for the DREAM Act, said John Andrews, spokesman for the Diocese of San Bernardino.

The Development, Relief and Education of Alien Minors Act would help young illegal immigrants who are illegally in the United States enlist in the military, attend college or acquire citizenship. The youth would have to meet certain requirements, such as being high school graduates and of good moral character.

But members of a Claremont-based grassroots group said the Catholic Diocese has violated the separation of church and state principle. Separation of church and state is derived from documents put together by the country's founders.

"They are no longer advocating people to vote, they are going further beyond than that. They are politically looking to circumvent the rule of law," said Raymond Herrera, founder of We The People, California's Crusader

(Excerpt) Read more at contracostatimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
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1 posted on 09/12/2010 4:59:09 PM PDT by NoLibZone
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To: NoLibZone

They cannot be of good moral character if the first thing they do here is break the law, can they?


2 posted on 09/12/2010 5:01:23 PM PDT by sayuncledave (A cruce salus)
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To: NoLibZone

Strip them of their tax-exempt status forthwith! As a Catholic I’ve nothing but the utmost contempt for the church hierarchy and the Vatican. Nothing but a bunch of money-grubbing hypocrites.


3 posted on 09/12/2010 5:02:15 PM PDT by jmacusa (Two wrongs don't make a right. But they can make it interesting.)
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To: NoLibZone

I have had my issues with the Church for many years, but its blantant encouragement of illegal immigration, to America’s detriment, was what finally caused me to break with the Church.


4 posted on 09/12/2010 5:03:02 PM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: ought-six

blantant = blatant.


5 posted on 09/12/2010 5:04:51 PM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: NoLibZone

Why doesn’t Mexico have its own DREAM Act for its citizens?


6 posted on 09/12/2010 5:05:11 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Don't you dare try to use MY Constitution to protect and defend MY enemies!)
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To: NoLibZone

Am I of ‘’good moral character’’ if I decide not to continue to pay my taxes to subsidize criminality such as this?


7 posted on 09/12/2010 5:06:42 PM PDT by jmacusa (Two wrongs don't make a right. But they can make it interesting.)
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To: NoLibZone

One more reason I’m not part of that church anymore.


8 posted on 09/12/2010 5:12:53 PM PDT by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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To: NoLibZone

Church believes that you can reject secular laws if they are immoral. thus the foundation of liberation theology.

Besides over 90% of illegals are roman catholic.


9 posted on 09/12/2010 5:17:23 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: NoLibZone

This is one of N reasons why I left the church - where N is a large number.


10 posted on 09/12/2010 5:22:39 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: NoLibZone

Not a shocker considering...

Catholic Legal Immigration Network
http://cliniclegal.org/
In 1988, the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) established CLINIC as a legally distinct 501(c)(3) organization to support a rapidly growing network of community-based immigration programs. CLINIC’s network originally comprised 17 programs. It has since increased to more than 185 diocesan and other affiliated immigration programs with 290 field offices in 48 states. The network employs roughly 1,200 attorneys and “accredited” paralegals who, in turn, serve 600,000 low-income immigrants each year. CLINIC and its member agencies represent low-income immigrants without reference to their race, religion, gender, ethnic group, or other distinguishing characteristics.

In 2007 alone, CLINIC provided 7,676 detained immigrants with “know your rights” workshops.


11 posted on 09/12/2010 5:32:52 PM PDT by TSgt (And the war came.)
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To: NoLibZone

Doesn’t surprise me. I live in the Diocese of San Bernardino. Bishop Gerald Barnes keeps pumping out letters to parishioners about how we have a moral obligation to support ALL immigrants. Just one more reason why folks are no longer contributing to any of Bishop Barnes’ fund raisers. Plus, each parish is given a budget number it must hit for his special annual fund raiser. If the budget number is not reached, then the parish has to reach into its own funds to make up the difference. Talk about a shakedown. This is in addition to the tithing amount, something like 10 to 20% of weekly basket collections, that have to be turned over to the diocese.


12 posted on 09/12/2010 5:36:29 PM PDT by CdMGuy
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To: NoLibZone

Let the Catholic Church pay the federal taxes that go to local school districts to pay for educating illegals, including the expense of training and educating bilingual teachers. Let them pay for the medicaid the vast majority of illegal students are on, and for the social services that their parents receive. Then let the Catholic Church suffer the consequences of increasing radical left voters and degrading the US to a Third World pit.


14 posted on 09/12/2010 6:14:34 PM PDT by pallis
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To: jmacusa
As a Catholic I’ve nothing but the utmost contempt for the church hierarchy and the Vatican.

Just curious; with that attitude, can you really consider yourself a Catholic?
15 posted on 09/12/2010 6:25:41 PM PDT by armydoc
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To: NoLibZone

THE CATHOLICS ARE NOT BRINGING IN THE ILLEGALS. THE PROTESTANT FARMERS OUT WEST HAVE ALWAYS HAD A “TASTE FOR SLAVES”. THEY WANT THEM TO WORK ON THEIR RANCHES FOR VERY LITTLE WAGES.


16 posted on 09/12/2010 6:49:58 PM PDT by GinaLolaB
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To: armydoc

Yup. And I’ll stand before my God to be judged. There isn’t anyone on this earth who can judge me.


17 posted on 09/12/2010 7:13:15 PM PDT by jmacusa (Two wrongs don't make a right. But they can make it interesting.)
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To: NoLibZone

The Catholic Church, in certain respects, resembles a confederacy whereby bishops retain a remarkable degree of latitude with regards to political issues. The Vatican exerts a veto power (or more commonly pressure) over the actions of bishops in each diocese when it is clear that the bishop is violating dogma. The opinions rendered by national organizations such as UCCB carry no formal authority over individual dioceses.
There are some conservative bishops (but sadly no enough) that actually get it. Some bishops have even opposed efforts of the politically formidable CCHD (Catholic Campaign for Human Development). The CCHD has numerous connections to Alinsky inspired organizations (such as IAF) and other radical illegal immigration support groups. The Catholic Church in the US has had ties with the Left in a significant way since the 60s.
I believe that if the Catholic Church does not quickly and thoroughly re-evaluate its role in supporting Leftist organizations, we will certainly see more devout parishioners dropping out and the money drying up. This has the real potential to be more problematic for the Church than the priest sex abuse scandal.


18 posted on 09/12/2010 7:33:56 PM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est)
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To: sayuncledave

It’s rich even for Rats to suggest the gummit is in any condition to tell who has “good moral character” without tying itself in knots in the attempt.

If a youth in question is adamantly against gay marriage, for instance, is this grounds to chuck him out, or to keep him, or a matter of indifference?


19 posted on 09/12/2010 9:04:51 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: GinaLolaB
"THE CATHOLICS ARE NOT BRINGING IN THE ILLEGALS. THE PROTESTANT FARMERS OUT WEST HAVE ALWAYS HAD A “TASTE FOR SLAVES”. THEY WANT THEM TO WORK ON THEIR RANCHES FOR VERY LITTLE WAGES."

And you seem to want to start your own thread .. here?

Maybe you just meant to say .."Bush's Fault". 8)

20 posted on 09/12/2010 9:11:14 PM PDT by plinyelder ("I've noticed that everybody that is for abortion has already been born." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: jmacusa
As a Catholic I’ve nothing but the utmost contempt for the church hierarchy and the Vatican.

Then you aren't much of a Catholic, are you newbie?

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21 posted on 09/12/2010 9:32:30 PM PDT by vox_freedom (America is being tested as never before in its history. May God help us.)
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To: Salvation; NYer

ping


22 posted on 09/12/2010 9:33:49 PM PDT by vox_freedom (America is being tested as never before in its history. May God help us.)
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To: NoLibZone
So how much $$$ are they going to pony up to pay for all of this? Who among them is going to be held legally and financially responsible for these illegals?

It must be nice to place the burden of responsibility at other peoples feet and have them open up their wallets. /s

23 posted on 09/12/2010 9:45:25 PM PDT by SZonian (July 27, 2010. Life begins anew.)
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To: Secret Agent Man
The other 10% are Muslim terrorists....along with 89% of the illegals from Mexico....
24 posted on 09/12/2010 10:04:23 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: jmacusa
In a few area's you are right....Years back starting a new parish, we had to pay interest on the money the arch diocese loaned to build the church.

Charging interest on moneys already donated to the arch diocese smacked of being a bit much. In fact the old testament has rules about loans and who you can and cannot charge interest.... It forbids charging interest on moneys loaned to family members, and the catholic church is suppose to be one family of christian believers...but thats just one persons opinion....Also had laws on usury /sp..

25 posted on 09/12/2010 10:16:22 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: NoLibZone
I have a solution!

Send them back to where ever they came and have the Catholic Church support them.

STOP, coercing others to support people that are here ILLEGALLY! It is wrong from a secular perspective and wrong from a Christian perspective. Name a single passage in the Bible where Christ or a prophet asks the GOVERNMENT to support people they want to persuade to be Christians or Catholics? You will NEVER find it because it does not exist.

Even Paul worked as a tent maker to not be s burden to others. It is the body of believers, the church, that are supposed to DIRECTLY support those in need.

26 posted on 09/12/2010 10:25:16 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: ought-six

Send the ILLEGALS to Rome and let the Pope support them.


27 posted on 09/12/2010 10:25:58 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
“Why doesn’t Mexico have its own DREAM Act for its citizens?”

Why bother when you have useful idiots to throw money at criminals. Mexico is probably thrilled to have us take over THEIR problem. Mexico has no shame.

This is not Christianity. It is arrogant humanism that is supposed to pull at your heart strings. THEY don't want to PAY for it. No! YOU are supposed to pay for it so they feel “righteous”.

28 posted on 09/12/2010 10:28:32 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: GinaLolaB

“THE CATHOLICS ARE NOT BRINGING IN THE ILLEGALS. THE PROTESTANT FARMERS OUT WEST HAVE ALWAYS HAD A “TASTE FOR SLAVES”. THEY WANT THEM TO WORK ON THEIR RANCHES FOR VERY LITTLE WAGES.”

Hon, CATHOLICS employee ILLEGALS TOO! Carolyn Kennedy couldn’t run because of all her LOWLY PAID ILLEGAL SERVANTS and MAIDS.


29 posted on 09/12/2010 10:30:30 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: vox_freedom

Say’s you.


30 posted on 09/13/2010 3:41:49 AM PDT by jmacusa (Two wrongs don't make a right. But they can make it interesting.)
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To: jmacusa
As a Catholic I’ve nothing but the utmost contempt for the church hierarchy and the Vatican.

Ad hominem attacks upon the "church hierarchy and the Vatican" isn't very Catholic now, is it? Is there no Bishop, or Pope or Cardinal that you respect? Yes, there have always been legitimate issues regarding some in Church leadership -- from the time Jesus died on the cross for our sins -- but to publicly proclaim "contempt" for everyone in the "hierarchy" shows ignorance and a lack of charity and respect, at the least. Say's me, newbie.

31 posted on 09/13/2010 8:21:48 AM PDT by vox_freedom (America is being tested as never before in its history. May God help us.)
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To: vox_freedom

Friend, I accept The Holy Trinity, God The Father, Son and Holy Spirit. I don’t need to explain myself or my Catholicism to anyone, least of all you, there’s no one in this world who can judge me on my love of The Lord, none but the one on high. No Pope I respect? I respect John Paul the 2nd. Bishops? Only one, The late Fulton J. Sheen. And as for mentors I respect some of the Christian Brothers of Ireland who guided me as a student at Essex Catholic High School in Newark New Jersey forty years ago. Ad Hominems? What ad hominems, particularly? Friend stick to taking your own inventory, as taking the inventory of others does them nor you any good and not mine as I did not address you in that post or take your inventory. And I might suggest, just a suggestion, drop the ‘’’newbie’’ bs. I’m a fifty-four year-old man, not a kid. It makes you look rather 8th. gradei’sh by comparision . I’ll include a prayer for you in my Rosary tonight and an Act of Contrition for myself for my intemperance. Peace be with you.


32 posted on 09/13/2010 3:37:31 PM PDT by jmacusa (Two wrongs don't make a right. But they can make it interesting.)
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To: jmacusa
As a Catholic I’ve nothing but the utmost contempt for the church hierarchy and the Vatican.

I never questioned your beliefs in Church dogma, doctrine, or those items listed in the Creed and I never asked you to take an "inventory" of yourself whatever that is. You sound a little defensive.

I merely asked about your quote above. Which is, an ad hominem attack on the Church and its leadership. "Contempt" is a very strong word suggesting "beneath consideration, worthless, or deserving scorn." Really? Everyone in the current hierarchy and in the Vatican is deserving of your utmost contempt? Really? Instead of replying to the question, you talk about "inventory" and not having to explain anything. Then you bring up "only one" bishop, Fulton Sheen and "only one" Pope, John Paul II. OK, that's a start. Pope Leo XIII and Pope Pius X might be others to at least ponder.

Newbie, on the other hand, is not a strong word around here, nor is it bs, and it pertains to your status of having just arrived here on FreeRepublic a little over a week ago. If you don't like being called newbie, that's just plain too bad, newbie.

Thanks for the prayer, and I'll say a couple for you too.

33 posted on 09/13/2010 4:12:39 PM PDT by vox_freedom (America is being tested as never before in its history. May God help us.)
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To: vox_freedom

Friend ‘’newbie’ say’s more about you than it does me. It smacks of the schoolyard you never left. Peace unto you.


34 posted on 09/13/2010 4:25:57 PM PDT by jmacusa (Two wrongs don't make a right. But they can make it interesting.)
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To: vox_freedom

Friend I listed a number of people in my Catholic life I respect and who made an impression on me or did you not read the whole post? Taking inventory can be as ‘’Remove the plank from your own eye that you may more clearly see the splinter in your brothers’’ and I get defensive when strangers take my inventory. You don’t know me or the life I live/lived or how I worship my God as a Catholic. Peace unto you again I say.


35 posted on 09/13/2010 4:42:30 PM PDT by jmacusa (Two wrongs don't make a right. But they can make it interesting.)
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To: jmacusa; Darksheare

I’m not your “Friend” and I think you are a troll or retread or both. You don’t like the name newbie, yet you’ve posted fifty posts in two day’s time and already calling names.


36 posted on 09/13/2010 5:25:21 PM PDT by vox_freedom (America is being tested as never before in its history. May God help us.)
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To: vox_freedom

Have it your way. That’s very Christian of you.


37 posted on 09/13/2010 5:31:29 PM PDT by jmacusa (Two wrongs don't make a right. But they can make it interesting.)
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To: jmacusa
That’s very Christian of you.

But it is very Christian to call for the abolition of non-profit tax status for the Catholic Church, eh? And is it very Catholic not to be able to respond with a single living bishop (or even the current Pope) that isn't to be held in contempt?

38 posted on 09/14/2010 7:18:44 AM PDT by vox_freedom (America is being tested as never before in its history. May God help us.)
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To: vox_freedom

When the Catholic Church involves itself in politics and encourages law-braking it should lose it’s tax-exempt status. Give it a rest pal you’re becoming tiresome.


39 posted on 09/14/2010 3:02:53 PM PDT by jmacusa (Two wrongs don't make a right. But they can make it interesting.)
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To: NoLibZone

I have a great idea. Lets find a few illegal alien families in the local area and take them to his house and have these illegals occupy his house without his permission. Then have him pay for their medical care and other expenses and see how long he keeps his opinion. If he disagrees go on the verbal attack and start calling him a racist plus every other way the Left does.


40 posted on 09/20/2010 6:08:30 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: ScottinVA

Leave the Church? Do you have 2 souls?

A single diocese or even the USCCB - which should be disbanded because of its outrageous liberal policies and staff - is not the voice of the Catholic church. The Vatican wants some kind of reform but recognizes the need to protect our borders. It’s sticky.

GKW


41 posted on 09/20/2010 6:59:21 AM PDT by GreensKeeperWillie
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