Posted on 09/20/2010 1:33:21 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
There isn't one single, credible source that has any concrete facts whatsoever, that Obama was born in Hawaii.
Here's a surprise! Hawaii's Department of Education has been unable to find AKA Obama's Kindergarten records. By this time maybe you are no longer surprised.
Obama's Noelani Elementary School Kindergarten records, oddly missing from the State of Hawaii Department of Education, is the first in a series of chronological "coincidences" that obscure AKA Obama's history.
Although Obama has had a first-class education that spanned 25 years, there is only a single document that has ever been released, the application for entrance to the Franciscus Assisi Primary School (next item) -- and that document was discovered by independent investigators.
This is an important feature because Kindergarten records for original school entry would have contained the following:
1. Obama's REAL Birth Certificate.
2. An application with the following:
His Legal name. Parents or Legal Guardians' names. Date of Birth Place of Birth Vaccination Records (revealing a timeline to the place and DOB.)
It also is important for two additional reasons:
A. The Department of Education does not "lose" the records of one particular student. (So, who paid whom what sum to make this record disappear?)
B. There would have been NO shameful low-test scores, NO embarrassing Equal Opportunity advancements, and NO trails of fraudulent funding to hide that could possibly "excuse" the quashing of public school Kindergarten entry records. For the rest of his life he attended very expensive private schools and has had his records legally sealed to deny the public his true life story.
This is different. Hawaii should be able to verify he attended their school since he is featured in class photographs. State and federal tax dollars paid for his initial year of education.
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I had seen the photos when they came out, but just thought at the time that they were interesting. I do remember the story of the later photo because it was about the other boy as an adult who was shown the photo later in life.
Other than that, it had no special significance to me. It was only in the context of this story's point of losing only Obama's kindergarten records and the idea from another poster that maybe he was never there to have records to lose that drove me to go searching for the photos.
-PJ
Yup, and he moved to Indonesia when he was six, which means he could not have attended first grade in Hawaii.
Nothing to see here, people.
Amazing how birthers latch on to and get exicited about the most mundane, inconsequential things.
The stupid...
It burns...
Anyway going to kindergarten was not mandatory back then and it was mostly a baby sitting venture that a lot of parents opted out of.
If Obama was born in Hawaii then he is a natural born U.S. citizen. Whether his mother was old enough or in the country long enough are moot points. Those other requirements are only if he was born outside the U.S. as John McCain.
It wasn't until John Kerry ran for office that a lot of his past came out. For one he wasn't Irish as his senate profile claimed. His military service was very brief, this was not known before. His grades in college were very mediocre. I don't think John Kerry's elementary school transcripts were released.
If Obama was born in Hawaii then he is a natural born U.S. citizen.
I know it, you know it, SCOTUS has ruled on it, and every constitutional scholar on Earth knows it, but the birthers will refuse to believe you no matter what evidence you present to them. Jesus Christ himself could descend from the clouds and personally reveal it to them, and yet they still wouldn't believe it.
Unless you enjoy banging your head against the wall, I wouldn't recommend getting into any extensive discussions on this matter.
The SCOTUS ruled on two occasions that you must be born in the country to citizen parents in order to be a natural born citizen. Helps to read the actual decisions instead of faither talking points.
For the fiftieth time, no it did not, and you have already had ample evidence presented to you that the court in fact ruled the opposite: that citizen parents are not necessary when the child is born in the USA under US jurisdiction.
Of course, I know you will continue to repeat the falsehood above about two citizen parents being required, no matter what evidence is presented to the contrary, so I will not bother with you any more.
The SCOTUS ruled on two occasions that you must be born in the country to citizen parents in order to be a natural born citizen. Helps to read the actual decisions instead of faither talking points.
It helps to know what is going on the real world of 21st century jurisprudence rather than relying on birther talking points.
There has NEVER been a ruling by the US Supreme Court in the entire history of the republic on the issue of who qualifies under Article 2, Section 1 of the Constitution as a natural born citizen.
Current US law uses the term “Citizen-at-birth” to distinquish the two types of post 14th Amendment citzenship, the other being naturalized citizenship.
No distinction in the law has ever been made between a citizen at birth and a natural born citizen.
“Nationals and US Citizens at birth:”
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/8/1401.html
Citizens at birth can be president (hence the 44th president of the United States), naturalized citizens cannot be president.
Eligibility lawsuits are a waste of time and money.
Ya wanna see his birth certificate? Sue for fraud. That at least has a legislative track record.
Eligibility lawsuits are expecting the court to plow new legal ground. won’t go there. Not enough aggregate reason to do so. And the one reason they have is too freighted politically.
A fraud lawsuit, with enough zeros attached to it...MIGHT..eventually, cough up a birth certificate.
Would’nt count on it doing so anytime soon however.
For the fifty-first time, it did. What part of "all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens ..." do you NOT understand??
And what part of "out of context" do you not understand? Why don't you to quote the sentence that comes right after those elipses of yours?
This is true, but not completely true. Citizens at birth CAN be president, just not all only the ones who are born in the country to citizen parents.
It’s not out of context. The elipses left out these parts. Which part of that context do you believe changes anything??
“At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that ...
... as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.”
You better alert every law school in the country. They've been teaching it wrong for decades.
LOL. Still you refuse to quote the next sentence. I dare you to post it. The sentence that comes right after "foreigners."
This is true, but not completely true. Citizens at birth CAN be president, just not all only the ones who are born in the country to citizen parents.
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