What we know for sure that makes aka Obama ineligible

pravda.ru ^ | Sept. 20, 2010

[Political Junkie Too]

When, by the way, did you come across those photos?

I had seen the photos when they came out, but just thought at the time that they were interesting. I do remember the story of the later photo because it was about the other boy as an adult who was shown the photo later in life.

Other than that, it had no special significance to me. It was only in the context of this story's point of losing only Obama's kindergarten records and the idea from another poster that maybe he was never there to have records to lose that drove me to go searching for the photos.

-PJ

[curiosity]

Obama is older than me so it is probably 50-50 that he did not attend kindergarten.

Yup, and he moved to Indonesia when he was six, which means he could not have attended first grade in Hawaii.

Nothing to see here, people.

Amazing how birthers latch on to and get exicited about the most mundane, inconsequential things.

[El Sordo]

The stupid...

It burns...

[outpostinmass2]

Things were run a lot looser back in those days. I wasn't born in the U.S. and I did not become a U.S. citizen until I was 18. In fact I did not have an official birth certificate with seal since the country of my birth would not issue one. I had to appeal to the U.S. consulate of my birth country to issue me a copy of my birth cert. to provide U.S. immigration for my application for citizenship. 12 years of public school and the school never had a copy of my birth certificate. No computer files back then either.

Anyway going to kindergarten was not mandatory back then and it was mostly a baby sitting venture that a lot of parents opted out of.

If Obama was born in Hawaii then he is a natural born U.S. citizen. Whether his mother was old enough or in the country long enough are moot points. Those other requirements are only if he was born outside the U.S. as John McCain.

[outpostinmass2]

Actually I wasn't born in this country and I only have a copy of my birth certificate, which took a lot of work to get. When I attended school computers weren't used for filing yet I wouldn't be surprised if my files were missing. My school did not have a copy of my birth certificate since I did not receive one until I was 18. In fact my elementary school does not exist now. Things were also run a lot looser back then. Obama may have attended for a month and then his parents pulled him out. The school secretary may have just thrown out the file.

It wasn't until John Kerry ran for office that a lot of his past came out. For one he wasn't Irish as his senate profile claimed. His military service was very brief, this was not known before. His grades in college were very mediocre. I don't think John Kerry's elementary school transcripts were released.

[outpostinmass2]

All persons born in the United States, except those not subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S. government (such as children of ambassadors or other foreign diplomats) are citizens under the Fourteenth Amendment.

If Obama was born in Hawaii then he is a natural born U.S. citizen.

[ldish]

"Actually I wasn't born in this country"...maybe you are making my case and it is more than likely nobama fits in the same category. you say you don't have a Birth Certificate from the USA - since you weren't born here, if you had been born in the USA you would more than likely have one...my parents are in their late 70s and both have an original BC.

[curiosity]

If Obama was born in Hawaii then he is a natural born U.S. citizen.

I know it, you know it, SCOTUS has ruled on it, and every constitutional scholar on Earth knows it, but the birthers will refuse to believe you no matter what evidence you present to them. Jesus Christ himself could descend from the clouds and personally reveal it to them, and yet they still wouldn't believe it.

Unless you enjoy banging your head against the wall, I wouldn't recommend getting into any extensive discussions on this matter.

[edge919]

The SCOTUS ruled on two occasions that you must be born in the country to citizen parents in order to be a natural born citizen. Helps to read the actual decisions instead of faither talking points.

[curiosity]

The SCOTUS ruled on two occasions that you must be born in the country to citizen parents in order to be a natural born citizen.

For the fiftieth time, no it did not, and you have already had ample evidence presented to you that the court in fact ruled the opposite: that citizen parents are not necessary when the child is born in the USA under US jurisdiction.

Of course, I know you will continue to repeat the falsehood above about two citizen parents being required, no matter what evidence is presented to the contrary, so I will not bother with you any more.

[jamese777]

The SCOTUS ruled on two occasions that you must be born in the country to citizen parents in order to be a natural born citizen. Helps to read the actual decisions instead of faither talking points.

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The CURRENT US Supreme Court has had opportunities to rule on Obama’s eligibility on eight separate occasions: Berg v Obama, Beverly v FEC, Craig v US, Donofrio v Wells, Herbert v Obama, Lightfoot v Bowen, Schneller v Cortes, and Wrotnowski v Bysiewicz. But the High Court has denied Petitions for Writs of Certiorari to all eight appeals.

It helps to know what is going on the real world of 21st century jurisprudence rather than relying on birther talking points.

There has NEVER been a ruling by the US Supreme Court in the entire history of the republic on the issue of who qualifies under Article 2, Section 1 of the Constitution as a natural born citizen.

Current US law uses the term “Citizen-at-birth” to distinquish the two types of post 14th Amendment citzenship, the other being naturalized citizenship.
No distinction in the law has ever been made between a citizen at birth and a natural born citizen.
“Nationals and US Citizens at birth:”
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/8/1401.html

Citizens at birth can be president (hence the 44th president of the United States), naturalized citizens cannot be president.

[mo]

Eligibility lawsuits are a waste of time and money.

Ya wanna see his birth certificate? Sue for fraud. That at least has a legislative track record.

Eligibility lawsuits are expecting the court to plow new legal ground. won’t go there. Not enough aggregate reason to do so. And the one reason they have is too freighted politically.

A fraud lawsuit, with enough zeros attached to it...MIGHT..eventually, cough up a birth certificate.

Would’nt count on it doing so anytime soon however.

[edge919]

For the fiftieth time, no it did not, and you have already had ample evidence presented to you that the court in fact ruled the opposite: that citizen parents are not necessary when the child is born in the USA under US jurisdiction.

For the fifty-first time, it did. What part of "all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens ..." do you NOT understand??

[curiosity]

For the fifty-first time, it did. What part of "all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens ..."

And what part of "out of context" do you not understand? Why don't you to quote the sentence that comes right after those elipses of yours?

[edge919]

Citizens at birth can be president (hence the 44th president of the United States), naturalized citizens cannot be president.

This is true, but not completely true. Citizens at birth CAN be president, just not all — only the ones who are born in the country to citizen parents.

[edge919]

It’s not out of context. The elipses left out these parts. Which part of that context do you believe changes anything??

“At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that ...

... as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.”

[Kleon]

This is true, but not completely true. Citizens at birth CAN be president, just not all — only the ones who are born in the country to citizen parents.

You better alert every law school in the country. They've been teaching it wrong for decades.

[curiosity]

It’s not out of context. The elipses left out these parts.

LOL. Still you refuse to quote the next sentence. I dare you to post it. The sentence that comes right after "foreigners."

[A CA Guy]

Sounds like people trying to ride a dead horse with no legs endlessly through the desert once more.
Good luck and let me know when anyone wins a single of these issues somewhere in some higher court please.

[jamese777]

This is true, but not completely true. Citizens at birth CAN be president, just not all — only the ones who are born in the country to citizen parents.

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If that were true, the Supreme Court would have ruled on Obama’s eligibility. They haven’t and it is highly doubtful that they ever will. Nowhere in the Constitution does it mention two parents being required to qualify as a Citizen at birth. The law of the land clearly says “Born in the United States.”