Skip to comments.Obama Says “Mexicans” Were Here Long Before the United States Was an Idea (Video)
Posted on 09/21/2010 12:48:37 PM PDT by Hojczyk
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The United States was here long before Obama was,but maybe not much longer after he and his crowd get through with it.
I heard that too, but as long as it’s his wet dream I don’t care. If he screws up the ball bearing, the people who actually work have to replace it.
People will take obama’s word for it, count on it. We need a laugh at it and him campaign.
First post American president.
First citizen of the world.
It was kinda hard to colonize the Southwest US until us Americans irrigated the place.
The mexicans invented fried chicken!
I think Obama is hinting that if he cannot get amnesty through he will turn Texas,New Mexico and Arizona over to Mexico after he bows to President Cardenas.
We haven't yet seen this side of Obama, although I am convinced that it is involved with giving aid and comfort to the drug cartels on the US side of the border in both Arizona and New Mexico, where vast estates of federal land are currently occupied by the cartels.I call them the Obama brown shirt reserves, armed with government of Mexico military ordnance. Remember that Obama refused to send NG units in strength to patrol the border of Arizona, and the one thousand he did send are no where near the border or interdiction corriders for the cartels.They are mere observers.Obama wants those safe havens for the drug cartels, and he wants rid of Arpaio who threatens to take his act outside of his own county.
This is why I am convinced that the thuggish side of Obama is operative, it has not been exposed yet. Certainly Arizonans know this for a fact.Obama supports the drug cartel invasion of Texas, Arizona and New Mexico.
The cartels form the ingrediants for the creation of crisis. Arizona is now in a checkmate position on the issue.Arizona will respond in force if Obama calls his cartel thugs out to create crisis. But Obama may still do so.
Bean Pies! Get your Bean Pies!
And a Final Call. A-salaam a-laikum.
With pork chops, chittlins and bacon!
exactly! He’s the ONE......term President...
” The fact that this guy remains in a position of power with this level of incompetence, and I would even say intentional harm to the nation, is so unacceptable. It has basically destroyed my perception that our government was somewhat valid. “
OUR CURRENT GOVERNMENT IS A SHAM....A FRAUD.
At one point, he proposes the possibility that a diet very heavy in corn increases the possibility for madness. Obviously, the southwestern tribes ate a lot of corn, but also beans, squash, etc. But corn became very important to their spiritual practices and some anthropologists think that it's possible that this could have the been the reason some medicine men literally "snapped" and that the cannibalism thing really did happen. If I recall correctly, Childs seemed to think the Anasazi were more closely related to the Pueblo than the Aztec tribes. It's still a mystery. But until I read the book, I had no idea that there were so many abandoned Anasazi ruins ... they are all over the place down here. ANd the one at Mesa Verde was a huge complex of great significance to the region. They're also fairly certain that cannibalism happened there, too. What they can't seem to figure out is why they abandoned these places, but it's possible that the water sources just dried up... as they do in the desert.
I do know that the local tribes will not set foot in those places. They won't even talk about them. They shut down completely if you ask them about it.
The canals in Phoenix were already here when we got here. They were built by the Hohokam. THe current canal system was based on what was already here.
This myth originated with a letter written by a British general where he described visiting one of the tribes and (I'm paraphrasing because I don't have time to look up the exact quote) gave the Indians "gifts of provisions, medicine and blankets from the smallpox hospital. Hopefully this will have the desired effect." Of course, the quote was taken out of context and revised to mean that the "desired effect" was genocide by smallpox. If you read the entire letter in context, the meaning is clear that the "desired effect" was to befriend the tribe and enlist them to the British cause fighting the French. Then there's the "minor" fact that the entire concept of microbes or germs wasn't even understood for another 100 years after the letter was written. And even if they had understood such biological science, why would they risk losing an entire military troop handling the tainted blankets?
But I had been hearing that "truth" about the white man's genocide of the native tribes since I was in elementary school. And guess who was the worst propagator of this lie? "Professor" Ward Chuchill... Chief Sh!tting Bull himself.
Another good book is: The Enduring Vision: A History of the American People: to 1877...
I’ll put that on my list. I’m currently reading “Going Back to Bisbee,” which is chock-full of information about the borderlands.
He could then be tried for fraud.
The fact that this guy remains in a position of power with this level of incompetence, and I would even say intentional harm to the nation, is so unacceptable. It has basically destroyed my perception that our government was somewhat valid.
It isnt any longer. Obama is a fraud, Congress is looking the other way, and our nation is in jeopardy due to this.
Great post. Sad but true. Our government and media have let us down by propping up this phony who demonstrates daily that he knows NOTHING about our country, and cares about it even less.
He has been taking lessons from old Joe.
Even the Spaniards weren’t here in any number. Just a few small isolated settlements like Santa Fe and Los Angeles. The Commanche and Apache ruled north of the Rio Grande and they were a formidable barrier to any Mexican and Spanish presence. It took the US Second Cavalry years to subdue the Apache and Commanche. Mexicans were no match for them.
Obama is a semi-Kenyan. What does he know about Mexican history. Fact is the Pope “gave” the Spanish those territories. But the Spanish were holed up in far away Mexico City and had zero jurisdiction over Arizona, Texas etc. They had a claim alright but no power to enforce it. The wild Apaches and Comanches had the run of those South West states despite Mexico City’s grandiose claims. Those Indian tribes did what they wanted until the US Army defeated them post Civil War
The USA can claim the moon because we landed there first?
Great post....amazing what we do not learn in school.
My post after yours is identical......
All the Spanish rulers in Mexico City had was a territorial claim granted by the Pope. This is all they had....an empty piece of Papal paper that they had no significant military to make good on. To make those territories (Texas etc) truly theirs. We took them in war then made them ours by subduing the native Indians. Jurisdiction was established which the Spanish (in Mexico City) had never been able to
That was it. Thing is, if you are going to learn islam - in a madrassa or elsewhere - they also steep you in arabic, regardless of your actual language. And madrassas, even the ones in US islamic centers, like to get their students early. From around two and up. So the language training is being done to kids. Little seems to be known about these brain-half-disturbances being permanent or not, but I wouldn’t be surprised. Presto, a possible explanation of the muslim timeline-insanity.
And it is *only* arabic doing this. The other languages you mentioned (the closest being Hebrew) does not have enough irregularities to trigger the effect.
I’ve hiked all over the Four Corners area and you are quite correct about the amazing number of remains in the area. They are literally everywhere, including some areas where it is hard to see how anybody ever made a living there, especially over in the Canyonlands area.
They estimate the area was a good deal more heavily populated then than now. Though, to be fair, that isn’t saying a great deal.
The spectacular cliff dwellings were a late development and weren’t inhabited all that long. They developed, IMO, because of the ongoing disintegration of Anasazi society, with resultant warfare, cannibalism, possible human sacrifice, etc.
About 20 years ago I took the official Mesa Verde NP tour and was highly amused by the official line about why they moved into the cliff dwellings after living for many centuries in far more conveniently accessed mesa-top pueblos. The line was that this had nothing whatsoever to do with their need for a defensible position, as the Anasazi were totally peaceful. Anybody but an idiot that looks at these ruins can see they were chosen for their defensive value.
This compulsion to view past societies as peaceful, when they clearly were not, tells us a great deal more about those who make such statement than it does about the past societies. They used to say about the same things about the Maya, until someone unfortunately translated their writings, which showed they glorified violence, torture, etc. Much like the Assyrians, in fact.
Your comment about the local tribes always avoiding the ruins has not been my experience. The Ute Mountain Ute tribe has the non-Park part of Mesa Verde on its reservation. They run a profitable tour business to many of the ruins on their land. The Navajos run some similar tours.
” The USA can claim the moon because we landed there first?”
I would love to hear the press ask Obo that one ;-)
I was here before Obama, so this is MY country now.
If you read up on the history of the Chiracahua Apache's (Gerinimo's clan), you realize Gerinomo hated the Mexicans even more than the Anglos, they killed off his first wife and kids. The Apaches spent 200 years fending off the Spanish and then the Mexicans.
Yup, there was a reason they didn't come north of the border. When California became a State, there were but 2,000 Spanish speaking people here, who almost unanimously considered themselves Spanish, not wanting anything to do with what they perceived a bunch of traitorous hooligans to the South. They fought Mexican authority along with Americans, settled their accounts and property claims in courts, and we all went on from there. There were a few instances in which some got screwed, but not many.
These Central American mestizos and Indians we're seeing now have no more historic claim to America than the Chinese. Mexico possessed a claim they abrogated for 27 years. My family has been here for over a century and helped build California into what they want to take. I want them out.
My husband said the first time he went to a family reunion it was like going to a Nazi Youth Camp — all the blue-eyed people and kids. I laughed so hard and thought about it for a minute. Yup, we ALWAYS do — all the guppy-mouthed blue-eyed babies (think Brad Pitt's natural children — we all look like them). Mom used to say it was easy to watch us when we were little — kiss us and stick us to the wall — we'd stay. ;-) Husband has brown eyes, but son's are blue as the sky.
You are correct and I should have been more clear. The "traditional" Navajo will not go into what they call ghost places. I had a long discussion with a Christian Navajo who had always wanted to go into the canyons, but her husband was traditional and would not go. The Navajo do run the tours in Canyon de Chelly and I think Chaco Canyon, too. We took the Jeep tour into de Chelly. There are Navajo living inside the canyon, but we were told they do not go inside the dwellings. I don't know if that is for superstitious reasons, out of respect for the dead, or for preservation reasons - as I said, some of them get real evasive when you ask certain questions. But the Christian Navajo told me that a visit to a ghost place for a traditional Navajo would require a 5-day cleansing ritual afterwards that would cost 10 sheep! (She could have been pulling my leg, too... there's always that!)
LOL I hope he sees this comment. It would tie him up for weeks trying to figure an out.
That dumb F**k.