Posted on 10/13/2010 3:04:13 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan
On consideration of the Petition for Extraordinary Relief in the Nature of a Writ of Mandamus and Application for a Stay of Proceedings, the petition is DENIED.
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None of which supports your claims that Jay wrote the Constitution along with Madison and that he withheld his support for its ratification until the Bill of Rights was added to it.
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threads for enlightenment, and they should
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by the lies and the purposeful and chronic
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SCOTUS Justice James Wilson, 1st Commentaries on American Law 1791:
English law has its roots in Anglo-Saxon customs, which were too firmly established to be completely broken by the Norman Conquest and still form the basis of their common law today. In 1068, having at last reduced the country to submission, William set to work to establish a Roman government on a firm and lasting basis.
Roman law is legal system of ancient Rome is now the basis of civil law, one of the main European legal systems. Church influence led to the adoption of Roman law throughout western continental Europe, and it was spread to Eastern Europe and parts of Asia by the French Code Napoléon in the 19th century. Scotland and Québec (because of their French links) and South Africa (because of its link with the Netherlands) also have it as the basis of their legal systems.
In early Saxon England, the title of king held no monarchial power. The king was merely the general/commander of the army elected by the councils of the townships which included one member of each household, each having an equal vote.
The real kingdom of the English never existed before the days of Edward the Elder, and scarcely before the days of William the Norman and Henry the Angevin. As to the kingdom of England, that was a far later invention of the feudal lawyers
to the number of individuals who form the society; and that, to each of those agreements, a single individual is one party, and all the other individuals of the society are the other party.
The latter party I have considered heretofore; and. have called it the people. The former party I am now to consider; and, in order to avoid confusion, I call it, in this discussion, the citizen; and when I shall have occasion to refer to more subordinate agreements than one, I shall call the individuals, parties to them, by the name of citizens.
I know that the term citizen is often applied to one of the more numerous party—to one of the people : and I shall be obliged to take the description of a citizen from the character which he supports as one of the people. But you will easily perceive, that the same person may, at different times, act or be viewed in different characters ; and though his description be taken from one of them, the account of his duties and of his rights too may, on a particular occasion, be referred to the other. This I have chosen to do, rather than to introduce an unknown phrase, or to use a known phrase in a new signification. Besides, the expression is frequentlyemployed also in the sense in which I now use it. " Generally speaking," says the great political authority, Aristotle, " a citizen is one partaking equally of power and of subordination."
A citizen of a republican government owes obedience to the laws ; so he owes a decent, though a dignified respect to those who administer the laws. In monarchies, there is a political respect of person : in commonwealths, there should be a political respect to office. In monarchies, there are ranks, preeminences, and dignities, all personal and hereditary. In commonwealths, too, there are ranks, preeminences, and dignities; but all official and successive. In monarchies, respect is paid without a prospect of return. In commonwealths, ‘ one may, next year, succeed, as an officer, to the respect, which, this year, he pays as a citizen. The dignities of office are open to all.
You will be pleased to hear, that, with regard to this as well as to many other subjects, we have renewed, in our governments, the principles and the practice of the ancient Saxons.
The citizen under a free government has a right to think, to speak, to write, to print, and to publish freely, but with decency and truth, concerning publick men, publick bodies, and publick measures.
Surely I am justified in saying, that the principles of the constitutions and governments and laws of the United States, and the republicks, of which they are formed, are materially different from the principles of the constitution and government and laws of England; for that is the only country, from the principles of whose constitution and government and laws, it will be contended, that the elements of a law education ought to be drawn. I presume to go further: the principles of our constitutions and governments and laws are materially better than the principles of the constitution and government and laws of England. Permit me to mention one great principle, the vital principle I may well call it, which diffuses animation and vigour through all the others. The principle I mean is this, that the supreme or sovereign power of the society resides in the citizens at large; and that, therefore, they always retain the right of abolishing, altering, or amending their constitution, at whatever time, and in whatever manner, they shall deem it expedient.
By Sir William Blackstone, from whose Commentaries, a performance in many respects highly valuable, the elements of a foreign law education would probably be borrowed—by Sir William Blackstone,. this great and fundamental principle is treated as a political chimera, existing only in the minds of some theorists-; but, in practice, inconsistent with the dispensation of any government upon earth.
It is the opinion of many, that the revolution of one thousand six hundred and eighty eight did more than set a mere precedent, even in England. But be that as it may: a revolution principle certainly is, and certainly should be taught as a principle of the constitution of the United States, and of every State in the Union.
This revolution principle—that, the sovereign power residing in the people, they may change their constitution and government whenever they please—is not a principle of discord, rancour, or war : it is a principle of melioration, contentment, and peace. It is a principle not recommended merely by a flattering theory: it is a principle recommended by happy experience.
The only rational and natural method, therefore, of constituting a civil society, is by the convention or consent of the members, who compose it. For by a civil society we properly understand, the voluntary union of persons in the same end, and in the same means requisite to obtain that end. This union is a benefit, not a sacrifice: civil is an addition to natural order.
On the principles of the compact of association, which I have already stated, there seems to be but little doubt that one article of it may be, that each individual binds himself indissolubly to the society, while the society performs, on its part, the stipulated conditions. This engagement each individual may make for himself :k but can he make it for his children and'his posterity? must they be and continue bound by the act of their father and ancestor?
it may be observed, that every man being born free, a native citizen, when he arrives at the age of discretion, may examine whether it be convenient for him to join in the society, for which he was destined by his birth. If, on examination, he finds, that it will be more advantageous to him to remove into another country, he has a right to go, making to that which he leaves a proper return for what it has done in his favour, and preserving for it, as far as it shall be consistent with the engagements, which his new situation and connexions may require, the sentiments of respect and attachment.
The sentiments of Mr. Locke on this subject go much further. " 'Tis plain," says he,« " by the law of right reason, that a child is born a subject of no country or government. He is under his father's tuition and authority, till he comes to the age of discretion; and then he is a freeman, at liberty what government he will put himself under ; what body politick he will unite himself to."
States are moral persons, who live together in a natural society, under the law of nations. To give a state a right to make an immediate figure in the great society of nations, it is sufficient, if it be really sovereign and independent; that is, it must govern itself by its own authority.* Thus, when the United Colonies found it necessary to dissolve the political bonds, which had connected them with Great Britain, and to assume among the powers of the earth the separate and equal station, to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitled them ; they had a right to publish and declare, as, in fact, they did publish and declare, that " they were free and independent states
A number of individuals, who have formed themselves into a society or state, are, with regard to the purposes of the society, bound to consider themselves as one moral person. But the rest of mankind, who are not parties to this social compact, are under no obligation to take notice of it; and may still consider the society as a large number of unconnected persons. This personality—I know no better expression for it—of a state must, as to other nations, be derived from their consent and agreement. But when a society have once associated, and considered and announced themselves to other nations as a moral person, this consent and agreement ought not to be refused, without solid and special reasons, which will justify the refusal. On this consent and agreement, the mutual and mutually beneficial intercourse of nations is founded : whatever, therefore, promotes this intercourse, should be zealously encouraged; whatever prevents or interrupts it, should be cautiously avoided.
Vattel b. 1. a. 4.
ARISTOTLE:
For practical purposes, it is usual to define a citizen as ‘one born of citizen parents on both sides’, and not on the father’s or mother’s side only; but sometimes this requirement is carried still farther back, to the length of two, three, or more stages of ancestry. Aristotle, Politics, III. 2, 1275b22-24.
Citizens are ‘those born of citizen parents on both sides’. Arist., Ath. Pol. 42.1, 26.4, 42.1.
>So given the choice between our current status and establishing an absolute dictatorship which do you prefer?
That’s a tough question. As I’ve already shown on this thread the system we have now is open to arbitrary retroactive changes; furthermore in our bureaucratic-based system there is a deep aversion to personal responsibility/accountability, in this sense it is far inferior to a kingdom or dictatorship as there is no one person to whom you may seek redress.
As a personal example I have found several state/county/city laws/rules/policies which are in violation of the State’s Constitution, they concern firearms, and it seems that the only way I will be able to challenge these laws is from the inherently weaker position of violating them and then using their inherent contrariness to the State Constitution as my defense. {The matter in particular is that of firearms restrictions, so while my case is a sure-fire win based on the plain meaning of the wordings in the State Constitution I have no confidence that a Jury will not be swayed by their emotion and find against me.}
>I do not wish to derive my opinions based only on an implication.
That’s a foolish sentiment; implication is recognized as the basis for reasoning within formal logic and *is* the If-Then statement in both programming and spoken languages.
You should know when to take an out when it’s given to you....http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/related/jay.htm
And it used common law to DEFINE what NBC meant, for 1/3 of the WKA decision.
We get complete Gobbledygook from you.
Gray's 1898 opinion doesn't approach DEFINING Wong Kim Ark as a Natural Born Citizen. The 1874 Supreme Court case of Minor v. Happersett informs us and YOU without a doubt who are natural born citizens and everyone other than born in the country to citizen parents are doubtful...which you willfully ignore.
Yo, jamse777, Arianna is calling you back to huffopoooop, she wants to do to you what she did to her ex...
Regular, repetitive viewing of this post is
very worthy, as new folks do pop into these
threads for enlightenment, and they should
not be diverted and disengaged from the truth
by the lies and the purposeful and chronic
misdirection and diversion.
>If you can not discern the difference between the meaning/origin of a word and its function, there is nothing I can do to help your ignorance. Maybe you should have paid attention in language class!
Can not = The ability to not do something.
Cannot = The inability to do something.
Perhaps you should have paid attention in that class as well.
You write there were 37 states at the time of the proposed 14th Amendment.
37 states make 74 Senators...however the vote in the Senate was 33 yeas and 11 nays.
What happened to the other members of the Senate?
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” An American Dictionary of the English Language ; intended to exhibit, I. The origin, affinities, and primary signification of English words, as far as they have been ascertained. II. The genuine orthography and pronunciation of words, according to general usage, or to just principles of analogy. III. Accurate and discriminating definitions, with numerous authorities and illustrations. To which are prefixed, an introductory dissertation on the origin,
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April 14th, 1828.
So, do you deny you’re a huffer?
I’d say in both cases they describe Ha Ha Thats Very Illogical.
And this is important why? Ignorance either comes from one or the other, I was being cordial & not jumping to conclusions about ones intellect. So, what is your problem?
jamses7777and celtic cross has their lips plated squarely on obbama0’s halo.....
Not only is little Jameseee a huffer, He finds time to hang out at many lefty and after-Birther websites. Here he is hanging out with the leftist clowns at http://nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com/
Jameseeee argues for the Ground Zero mosque like a good leftist that he is.
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