Amen; Sister!
Posted on 10/16/2010 7:37:24 PM PDT by Ripliancum
MUKILTEO — Arson is the cause of an early morning fire that destroyed a church building next door to Kamiak High School, fire and police officials said. No one was injured in the blaze.
The Snohomish County Fire Marshal’s office, the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, and Mukilteo Fire and Police departments concluded Saturday afternoon that the fire was started outside near the back entry of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints building at the corner of Harbour Pointe Boulevard and Chennault Beach Drive.
The two-alarm fire, first reported shortly before 3 a.m. Saturday, has left two Mormon congregations without a place to worship.
Firefighters at the nearby Mukilteo Fire Department responded within minutes, said Assistant Fire Chief Brian McMahan.
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Well I'll say to you Miss Magritte, point to some and then take your complaint to Jim Rob who has been so careless about "allowing" it. [rolls eyes]
Is posting the things that other faiths believe considered hateful? Or is it that people post these things and then ridicule them?
Man, you are just the living end...thanks for the laugh!...magritte
I have no complaint with JimRob...his place, his rules...doesn’t mean I agree with it though...I think Mormons for the most part are pretty darn good conservatives and don’t think it’s necessary to have posters, who for the most part, seem to be mainly here to post their anti-Mormon diatribes...magritte
Join the club. The Northern Libs they are churning out from the seminaries up there are killing the UMC.
But it's my faith home so I choose to fight as I am sure you are doing.
Post #6 bump.
***“No one was injured in the blaze.” Thank God!***
Oh the flames was hot and the smoke was thick,not a single life was lost,
And the reason for the blaze was never found.
But it’ll allways be remembered in our local history,
As the night Miss Nancy Ann’s Hotel For Single Girls burned down!
Opps! Wrong building! From an old Hank Thompson C&W song.
The religion forum is about religion. If you want it all to be about politics, stay off the religion forum. What you think is necessary and what you don't think is necessary doesn't seem to be carrying a lot of weight.
For instance, it is not necessary to close your post with your name. But who cares if you do
It is also not necessary, but it IS courteous to ping someone you mention in your post, such as JimRob.
>>”Apology noted and accepted.”<<
>>”Stupid happens to all, it is what we do with it after that counts.”<<
Thank you for your maturity in this matter. You are to be congratulated by separating yourself from the others by operating on a higher level.
Once again, thank you.
” They could start their investigation right here at FR, based on some of the downright hateful posts here about Mormons.”
“REALLY? Is that so Pax? If you don’t point to the post (and the FReeper or FReepers whom you now accuse of arson) then you are a COWARD. If you can’t, you are a LIAR.”
I believe that he was being facetious about the investigation part but not about the posts part. If you haven’t seen some of the vicious attacks against LDS on here, then you haven’t been reading those posts. And it’s not my job to show them to you, it’s yours to do the research.
Not a Mormon here, don’t believe in Mormonism, not for Myth, but most Mormons I’ve known are decent law abiding clean cut people. Like all religions, there are exceptions (e.g. Harry Reid). Bashing of Mormons, Catholics, et al for their religious beliefs is unbecoming of Freepers. On the other hand, specific actions or inactions or statements that encourage or support lawlessness or common decency are open territory. And just like issues of illegal immigration, abortion, et al there is nothing wrong with voting against someone because you don’t share their religious beliefs.
Judged this one a bit early; eh?
Since you've thrown out the first pitch...
“I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.”
17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!
18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.
19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”
20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother,
Joseph Smith continues: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith-History 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses, 18:172).President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses, 10:127).James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p.196).
***Well, what’dya know - a church fire in Ohio and another in Washington. I see a pattern starting to develop...***
And Bill Clinton remembered Black Christian churches being burned in Arkansas when none were being burned there.
Before anyone starts pointing and placing blame you should wait till the police finishe their investigations!
Lock up your churches! Get a police patrol to check on them! That is what we do with our rural chruches.
Even the local hindu temple has better security. Yes, there is a Hindu temple (and Bhuddaist temple) in our area.
Sounds like one of them did you wrong.
Hating 'gays' appears to be a 'sport' for some.
About the article: I would like to say that I am apalled and saddened by this. I hope the perpetrators are caught and punished.
I would also like to suggest that the members of these two congregations would find open, welcoming arms at just about any Christian Church in the area. All they would have to do is walk in the door Sunday morning. After all, MORMONS ARE CHRISTIANS - right?
I am thinking of what would happen if this happened with my church. I actually worship and fellowship at two churches - a very large one with enormous resources and a much smaller, grittier, street-level one.
Either one would be shocked and hurt by their buildings burning down. Either one would join in prayer and lift it up to God, waiting to see how He would use it for His glory.
Either one would joyfully resume services in the parking lot, the rodeo grounds, the high school gym, or scattered into smaller groups among other churches of believers. Anywhere two or more are gathered.
And they would be reaching out and praising God - not considering taking up arms. Amen
But that won't stop 'some' from ACCUSING 'gays' for the fire.
So does your answer!
Amen; Sister!
Sorry, that's a crock. You make the accusation, you back it up. I have never seen a vicious attack against LDS here and I assure you, I read the posts.
I'll say the same to you: prove it or retract it.
PD; this is up your alley!
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