Posted on 10/20/2010 12:18:53 PM PDT by ColdOne
WASHINGTON — A district court judge Tuesday rejected the Obama administration's claims that allowing gays and lesbians to begin openly
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Where is that listed among the enumerated powers of Congress?
As an Army Veteran, I can tell you that this can do absolutely no good. 90% of the active Armed Forces would tell you the same thing.
It is simply mind-blowingly retarded to allow open homosexuals to serve.
Why?
“The left has been trying to destroy the Military for years. They may have done it now.”
They’ve made progress. Rather than the nation’s defense, we are now a “global force for good.” Diversity, gree energy and other U.N. initiatives are now the main focuses.
Good! Got the proverbial grenade in the tent reaction. It’s either a moral or a protection issue. When there is the potential that some segment of the ‘protection’ side will suffer, incur reduced effectiveness or leave service, the charge by the Constitution is arguably not optimum. Then, the collective right to protection (Constitution) outweighs an individual ‘right,’ morally dubious at best. Without keeping the most basic needs of the country sure, individual rights don’t matter much; they’d get relegated to the history books of whatever tyrant in power dictates.
Let me give just 1 very simple example. I could give more, but this one means the most to me.
I was an Infantryman.Especially in the Infantry soldiers are in very close contact with one another. We help eachother take showers in the field by holding a poncho up for a buddy so the world wouldn’t see them. we spens a lot of time in foxholes and cramped conditions together. At times we have to take showers and even sit on the toilet in open area’s together where everyone can see you.
For the simple fact that if you allow homosexuals in, you would in fact add an entire new level of privacy to a place that doesn’t need it. It’s free porn for the gay, or they would have to shower with women. The women wouldn’t like it and many guys would be lining up to shower with the women. I changed my clothes inside the small confines of a vehicle many times around my squad. I wouldn’t do that if I knew 1 of them was gay. He would have to leave and then come back. Special bathrooms, special circustances, all completely unnecessary, and a huge waste of money and effort for such a tiny minority. It just does not make any sense at all.
Right there in Article 1, Section 8: To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
You might want to try reading it sometime.
You're right ... I skipped right by it.
No problem. The Senate should be convening an Impeachment for this judge.
Quit whining.
Never should the minority ever have the right of tyrrany over the majority, which is exactly what this is.
Shoot, lets just let someone in a wheelchair in the Army! Wouldn’t want them to feeeeeeel bad. Wouldn’t matter that everyone else would have to pull extra weight, jump through extra hoops.
Nope lets, just let everyone in. As a matter of fact, lets just drop all standards. No more Physical requirments, because of you don’t pass a PT test, you might feeeel bad and the vast minority of people fail the PT test, but hey, who am I to judge right?
Your’s is a BS argument if I have ever heard one.
“Seems to me it’s an issue of personal Constitutional Rights posed against a collective right of the country to stay protected, according to the Constitution.”
Seems strange to me that the constitution was well over 150 years along before anyone considered that homosexuals derived a “special status” protection by it. Other than the basic right to not be assaulted or criminally abused, I don’t see that homosexuals have any other rights under the COTUS. As long as there has been a U.S. military, homosexuality was never allowed....goodness even in the Revolutionary War George Washington had homosexuals removed from the Army.
How exactly did he remove them?
I think that it would be better to understand what a “right” is. I am disabled, there is no right for me in some circumstances to serve, this includes the military. The military is not a place for the rest of the troops to hold my hand or carry me around, it would place the other soldiers in serious danger to have to take care of me. Now, while I do perform great in other ways, that’s fine, but I do not by any means have some special entitlement to get into the military, and I have my honorable excusal from serving, especially in combat duty.
As far as you asking for examples, I have some, but those of us on FreeRepublic could tell you better from the military experience. In the military, you have little privacy with other men, or others of the same gender. You share rooms, you shower together, etc. The last thing you need is to add additional special privacy obstacles to provide for someone who is gay. The last thing you need when you are in serious combat duty is insecurity about your fellow soldiers who you are in close quarters with most of the time.
Again, take the word of someone on FreeRepublic who serves in the military over mine, they’ve got the actual experience.
You asked how did General Washington deal with homosexuals in his Army:
“While the issue of homosexuals in the military has only recently become a point of great public controversy, it is not a new issue; it derives its roots from the time of the military’s inception. George Washington, the nation’s first Commander-in-Chief, held a strong opinion on this subject and gave a clear statement of his views on it in his general orders for March 14, 1778:
“At a General Court Martial whereof Colo. Tupper was President (10th March 1778), Lieutt. Enslin of Colo. Malcom’s Regiment [was] tried for attempting to commit sodomy, with John Monhort a soldier; Secondly, For Perjury in swearing to false accounts, [he was] found guilty of the charges exhibited against him, being breaches of 5th. Article 18th. Section of the Articles of War and [we] do sentence him to be dismiss’d [from] the service with infamy. His Excellency the Commander in Chief approves the sentence and with abhorrence and detestation of such infamous crimes orders Lieutt. Enslin to be drummed out of camp tomorrow morning by all the drummers and fifers in the Army never to return; The drummers and fifers [are] to attend on the Grand Parade at Guard mounting for that Purpose.”
General Washington held a clear understanding of the rules for order and discipline, and as the original Commander-in-Chief, he was the first not only to forbid, but even to punish, homosexuals in the military.
Does my 8 years plus count then?
I was a sergeant too. I don’t need to hear COL West’s remarks, I can make up my own mind.
The entire history of our country and its Constitution have never hinted at purposely allowing judges the right to rewrite the Constitution according to their personal view of morality and reality.
The actions by the judge from the start has been nothing less than illegal legislation by a lawless judge who actually cares nothing about the real Constitution.
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