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Karl Rove's Flameout
Daily Beast via Yahoo News ^ | 10/22/10 | Matt Latimer

Posted on 10/22/2010 9:09:58 AM PDT by Enchante

In primaries this year, Republican voters in Alaska, Colorado, Delaware, Florida, Kentucky, Nevada, and Utah, have rejected—en masse—the candidates preferred by the National Republican Senatorial Committee, which Rove is said to informally advise. The Conservative Party candidate Tom Tancredo—a known enemy of Rove—is trouncing the GOP-backed candidate in the race for governor of Colorado.

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Latimer is no fan of Rove -- I certainly agree with a lot of his criticisms although attributing every problem to Rove may be a bit over the top -- but the Rs had great opportunities in the past decade which Rove helped to squander.

The Rove meltdown against Christine O'Donnell showed what he's all about, although ironically it probably helped her to raise several million dollars -- but that could have been achieved without trashing her in ways so useful to the 'Rats.

1 posted on 10/22/2010 9:10:01 AM PDT by Enchante
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To: Enchante

The fat RINO is still usefull; his Crossroads organization has raised a lot of money to help the Republicans get candidates elected in the midterms. The Republican Party could potentially be useful as well in stopping Obozo’s agenda from moving through Congress.


2 posted on 10/22/2010 9:14:41 AM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: Enchante

Rove is a political professional who feels personally threatened by the grass roots Tea Party phenomenon which, of course, functions more closely to the political process the Founders envisioned.


3 posted on 10/22/2010 9:16:25 AM PDT by steelyourfaith (ObamaCare Death Panels: a Final Solution to the looming Social Security crisis ?)
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To: Enchante

Rove is an Open Borders Liberal Globalist....he is no conservative...and does not help the conservative cause.

He must be squirming severly knowing that Tom Tancredo may win the governorship of Colorado running third party. Rove hated Tancredo because Tanc was a big roadblock to Rove/Bush Open Borders Anti-Americanism

For the GOP to thrive and survive, it needs to kick out the liberals like Rove


4 posted on 10/22/2010 9:20:02 AM PDT by UCFRoadWarrior (They don't let you build churches in Mecca)
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To: Enchante

I have never understood why this man or others in his line of work are considered to be politcal geniuses. I have listened to him and to Dick Morris or James
Carville and some others who have run or been closely involved in political matters and I don’t hear any great insights or understanding that I can’t find on these threads most days of the week.


5 posted on 10/22/2010 9:27:58 AM PDT by scory
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To: Enchante
I don't attribute all of the GOP problems to Rove, but a lot of them are owned by him. McCain included. Sure ... Rove is a smart tactician, but he doesn't have the values that I have as a conservative which include less government, family oriented value driven beliefs (pro-life), etc. To be blunt and judgmental about it, Rove is largely responsible for the current Demo controlled Congress and Obama in the White House.
6 posted on 10/22/2010 9:30:00 AM PDT by vox_freedom (America is being tested as never before in its history. May God help us.)
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To: Enchante

“The Rove meltdown against Christine O’Donnell...”


RINO ROVE was unveiled with that meltdown, for all those who may have naievely thought Rove was ever on our side. No wonder Bush got into so much trouble, following advisor Rove’s ideas. Bush became beige, neutralized, middle of the road on so many issues that he could have resolved, or at least pounded to death in favor of conservatism. Rove hurt Bush and he hurts us.


7 posted on 10/22/2010 9:30:10 AM PDT by RitaOK
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To: scory
You beat me to it. People like Carville or Rove want to win. That's all.

Now, there can be advantages to having a guy like that on your team, but if anyone is looking for wisdom or insights about what the country needs in order to prosper, you don't go to someone like Carville or Rove. What do they know about that stuff?

They just get paid to persuade people and (hopefully) win elections. That doesn't mean they understand anything at all outside their little area.

And it certainly presents the possibility that they will be petulant and hurt if their guy loses and someone else comes up as a Winner. They may well strike out at such a person, just as a childish reaction. Again, it doesn't mean they have any deep insight into political philosophy. They're just mad they lost.

8 posted on 10/22/2010 9:32:46 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: Enchante
I despise rove... he is a power elite liberal rockefeller/ford republican... he is the enemy within and all like him should be purged.

LLS

9 posted on 10/22/2010 9:35:57 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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To: Enchante

I would add Marco Rubio in FL to the list of Tea Party candidates that knocked off the “GOP establishment” candidate.


10 posted on 10/22/2010 9:37:18 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA (Support and vote for Sean Bielat (MA-4)! MA-4 is Barney Frank's district.)
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To: Enchante

Rove’s one notable success will likely be the victory of communist Chris Coons and the defeat of Christine O’Donnell. Of course, he also had help from the RNC in making certain voters knew Christine was on her own and doing almost nothing at all to help her put together a winning campaign.

This will be a lesson to other upstarts who might dare challange the system.


11 posted on 10/22/2010 9:37:44 AM PDT by Iron Munro (I carry a gun because I'm too young to die and too old to take any more beatings.)
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To: Enchante

but the Rs had great opportunities in the past decade which Rove helped to squander.
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This is the central point we conservatives have to remember about Rove. Rove as I understand it was the most important political advisor to Bush. Opportunities squandered (and I had waited 1/2 a lifetime to see a Republican President, Congress and Senate at one time to make changes):

1) Balance the Budget
2) Reduce Government Spending
3) Reform Entitlements
4) Defund the left
5) Protect the borders and reform immigration laws post 9/11
6) Crack down on voter fraud

The first three would have required courage and political capital but would have saved the country; the last three would have been wildly popular except with the far left and the 30% that are led by them and it’s flabbergasting that they didn’t do them.

Rove advised Bush to be the biggest of big governement Republicans, if results (and Rove’s behavior now) are indications. Rove helped crash the economy and usher in Obama. Worst of all, he helped squash a historic opportunity to show that Republican principles and policies are superior to Democratic principles and policies. “We” had not had that opportunity since what, Hoover? Eisenhower?


12 posted on 10/22/2010 9:39:26 AM PDT by November 2010
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To: Enchante

Yeah! Rove made her say that scientists are splicing animal and human genes and they now have a “rat with a fully developed human brain.” He has ruined her! Rove even supplied them with the quote from the Bill Mahr show.
Outrageous!


13 posted on 10/22/2010 9:39:26 AM PDT by LeonardFMason
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To: GOPsterinMA

Idiot - don’t press “Post” to quickly.

“I would add Marco Rubio in FL AS THE FIRST OF the list of Tea Party candidates that knocked off the “GOP establishment” candidates.”


14 posted on 10/22/2010 9:40:34 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA (Support and vote for Sean Bielat (MA-4)! MA-4 is Barney Frank's district.)
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To: scory
Rove can raise money as he has shown this cycle. His problem is his big love of the GOP establishment. He also doesn't like how the TEA party members have changed the rules of the game but unless he ditches his big government, rat-lite tendencies he'll end up in the tall weeds.
15 posted on 10/22/2010 9:41:20 AM PDT by JPG (Sarah Palin says: "Buck-up or get out of the truck.")
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To: Enchante
I sat agape watching Rove melt-down in a ranting rave against Christine O'Donnell.....and wondered why he didn't go into such a rage against the malicious attacks on GW and Republicans in general back in the day.

Is he a Doctor Jackal now......after being Mr. Hide in the Bush administration?

Leni

16 posted on 10/22/2010 9:41:40 AM PDT by MinuteGal (Are any Americans better off than they were 13 trillion dollars ago?)
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To: AdmSmith; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; Delacon; dervish; ...

Thanks Enchante. Rove’s still a magnificent bastard.


17 posted on 10/22/2010 9:42:13 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: Enchante

Rove’s organisation is helping getting conservatives elected.

What has Christine Donnell done for conservatives?

All she has done is waste tea party money and headed for certain defeat to a marxist in Delaware thanks to her lousy campaign skills.


18 posted on 10/22/2010 9:44:02 AM PDT by GregH
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To: Nonstatist

Let him help in the general—until he makes it official and goes Democrat. In the primaries, a good rule of thumb is to do whatever Rove doesn’t want us to do. He’s the genius who insisted we stick with Specter, vote for Castle and gave us Republican progressivism through Bush.


19 posted on 10/22/2010 9:46:42 AM PDT by Defiant (I'm a Fabian Co nstitutionalist. Roll back FDR and progressivism!)
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To: steelyourfaith

If you liked George Bush GOP Light style of government you will LOVE Roves kind of candidate. Globalist, open borders, insurance, banking and Wall Street. No thanks.


20 posted on 10/22/2010 9:47:03 AM PDT by mono
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To: MinuteGal

Jekyll was the mild-mannered one. Hyde was the psycopath.


21 posted on 10/22/2010 9:53:18 AM PDT by HIDEK6
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To: November 2010

post of the day!!!

you summarize things so well


This is the central point we conservatives have to remember about Rove. Rove as I understand it was the most important political advisor to Bush. Opportunities squandered (and I had waited 1/2 a lifetime to see a Republican President, Congress and Senate at one time to make changes):

1) Balance the Budget
2) Reduce Government Spending
3) Reform Entitlements
4) Defund the left
5) Protect the borders and reform immigration laws post 9/11
6) Crack down on voter fraud

The first three would have required courage and political capital but would have saved the country; the last three would have been wildly popular except with the far left and the 30% that are led by them and it’s flabbergasting that they didn’t do them.

Rove advised Bush to be the biggest of big governement Republicans, if results (and Rove’s behavior now) are indications. Rove helped crash the economy and usher in Obama. Worst of all, he helped squash a historic opportunity to show that Republican principles and policies are superior to Democratic principles and policies. “We” had not had that opportunity since what, Hoover? Eisenhower?


22 posted on 10/22/2010 9:53:46 AM PDT by Enchante (De-fund the agitprop twits of NPR, PBS, and CPB now!!)
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To: Enchante

I wonder if Rove is the reason GWB didn’t endorse Pat Toomey.


23 posted on 10/22/2010 9:53:54 AM PDT by PA BOOKEND
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To: GregH

I disagree with you on Christine O’Donnell. But rather than argue that, I just want to make a simple point.

Supporting her opponent in the primary was Rove’s right, even though Castle was a flaming leftist. At least Rove could argue that Castle had a better chance of winning the general election. I don’t agree, but there can be differences of opinion.

Coming out and viciously attacking O’Donnell AFTER she won the primary is another matter entirely. There is no possible justification for such traitorous behavior. Castle lost. She won. You don’t undermine the winning candidate AFTER she has won the primary—which Rove and many other insiders did— unless you have purely selfish reasons, such as fear that if she wins, maybe she will clean the corrupt RINOs out of the Delaware Republican party. And maybe she won’t consult Carl Rove or ask for his advice.

Too bad. She won. If you don’t like that, then just shut up, Carl. And you shut up, too, Cindy McCain.


24 posted on 10/22/2010 9:54:37 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius.)
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To: LibLieSlayer
he is a power elite liberal rockefeller/ford republican...

NO, NO, NO!!!!!!

In his own words, he is a "Compassionate Conservative adherent of limited Government". I about choked when I read that oxymoron.
25 posted on 10/22/2010 9:58:29 AM PDT by BikerJoe
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To: Cicero
Coming out and viciously attacking O’Donnell AFTER she won the primary is another matter entirely. There is no possible justification for such traitorous behavior. Castle lost. She won. You don’t undermine the winning candidate AFTER she has won the primary

I assume that would apply to Freepers viciously attacking RINO winners of primaries?

The double standard here is sick.

26 posted on 10/22/2010 10:02:35 AM PDT by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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To: Enchante

Rove & Carville should be viewed as gamblers at the track.

They don’t breed horses, train horses or ride ‘em. They just stand at the rail and yell.

If their horse wins - they take the money and bask in the brilliance of their choice.

If their horse loses - it was not their fault!!!!!!!

Of course, you know with this analogy - who is left to clean the stable;)


27 posted on 10/22/2010 10:03:03 AM PDT by sodpoodle (Despair; man's surrender. Laughter; God's redemption.)
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To: GregH
You have got to be kidding?

It is because of Rove we got Bush...we all believed Rove...it was a lie...Rove didn't get a conservative elected he got a Progressive elected in Conservative clothing.

All Rove has done is help diminish Christine's chances to get elected...it is Rove who has helped a Marxist in DE and ultimately it is the choice of the people of DE on who they want to elect. If they choose a Marxist then so be it...we should adjust the requirements of what is means to be part of the United States...if you vote in a socialist or Marxist representatives then you are on your own.

Marxists and Socialists cannot uphold their oath of office to uphold the US Constitution so there is no way the rest of the country should be on the hook for the decisions of these idiots...let the Socialist enamored states fail.

28 posted on 10/22/2010 10:05:03 AM PDT by surfer (To err is human, to really foul things up takes a Democrat, don't expect the GOP to have the answer!)
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To: mono

Agreed. I liked how W started, i.e., finally taking the war to the bad terrorist guys, plus the tax cuts, but it was pretty much all down hill from there, a Big Government light administration.


29 posted on 10/22/2010 10:12:48 AM PDT by steelyourfaith (ObamaCare Death Panels: a Final Solution to the looming Social Security crisis ?)
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To: HIDEK6
Just a play on words, friend, just a play on words.

Leni

30 posted on 10/22/2010 10:19:36 AM PDT by MinuteGal (Are any Americans better off than they were 13 trillion dollars ago?)
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To: LibLieSlayer

Let’s roll!


31 posted on 10/22/2010 10:21:39 AM PDT by SC_Pete
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To: Enchante

Thanks! Enchante, I’m sure.


32 posted on 10/22/2010 10:22:18 AM PDT by November 2010
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To: Cicero

You are absolutely right on the point.

Rove did NOT make the arguments against CO’D, with his platform, BEFORE the DE primary. Somehow that kept getting missed by some people.

Rove had all the GOP takeover calculations down pat, but DE Republican primary voters threw him off track. That still does not excuse his disastrous ‘analysis’.


33 posted on 10/22/2010 10:24:40 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: A.Hun
A brilliant point. It's fascinating that what FReepers say here on FR has just as much sway with the country as what Rove says on national TV.

You're amazing.

</sarc>

You wouldn't know a double standard if it walked up and bit you. True Conservatives are for Conservatives and against NWO socialists. That is a "single standard." We trash the RINOs because they've infiltrated our party by lying their way in, and they've taken away our freedom by voting with the socialists when the chips are down.

Get a stinkin' clue.

34 posted on 10/22/2010 10:25:09 AM PDT by TheOldLady (Pablo is very wily.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

You lived up to your name with that post. Well said.


35 posted on 10/22/2010 10:29:31 AM PDT by GATOR NAVY ("The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen." -Dennis Prager)
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To: BikerJoe
Man... if he is lying like that, he is just a friggin’ dim.

LLS

36 posted on 10/22/2010 10:31:33 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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To: RitaOK

My sentiments exactly. I blame Rove for screwing up Bush’s administration.


37 posted on 10/22/2010 10:32:51 AM PDT by lone star annie
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To: RitaOK

Bush followed Laura’s compassionate beliefs which happen to match Karls.


38 posted on 10/22/2010 10:35:23 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Conflict is inevitable; Combat is an option. Train for the fight.)
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To: SC_Pete

I’m rolling as hard and as fast as I can Pete!

LLS


39 posted on 10/22/2010 10:35:28 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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To: GregH
What has Christine Donnell done for conservatives?

Got rid of Mike Castle.

40 posted on 10/22/2010 11:09:16 AM PDT by Tribune7 (The Democrat Party is not a political organization but a religious cult.)
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To: A.Hun

There is a huge difference between a seasoned operator with widespread name recognition who has served at the highest levels of the Republican Party coming out on television to attack a Republican candidate after she has won the nomination, and a private citizen in a free forum coming out against a politician he or she doesn’t approve of.

It may or may not be smart. But it’s not the same thing at all.

Rove knows better. But he decided to do his best to destroy the person nominated by his own party anyway.

Matter of fact, he did the same damned thing when he was working for Bush and worked to undermine Bill Simon in California, because Simon had been nominated by a 2-1 vote against his leftist choice. And then, of course, he gave us Arnie instead.


41 posted on 10/22/2010 11:09:19 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius.)
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To: Enchante

Great post. I would add to your list only that Bush, while he fought the war on terror with some gusto, fought it with PC, failed to demonize the true enemy, failed to go after the strategic enemies (Saudi Arabia and Iran) and allowed the Democrat party back in the game on national security. I would summarize by saying he squandered an opportunity to remake the middle east because he thought there is such a thing as moderate islam. As a result, while he protected us for a few years, he made our future years very dangerous.


42 posted on 10/22/2010 11:38:50 AM PDT by Defiant (I'm a Fabian Co nstitutionalist. Roll back FDR and progressivism!)
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To: steelyourfaith
finally taking the war to the bad terrorist guys

Islam is a religion of peace. Yep he took it to the bad guys alright. </sarcasm>

43 posted on 10/22/2010 11:43:59 AM PDT by itsahoot (We the people allowed Republican leadership to get us here, only God's Grace can get us out.)
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To: vox_freedom
I don't attribute all of the GOP problems to Rove

You invert cause and effect. Rove is just a symptom of the RINOs who sell out party and country seeking to replace Dem pork with GOP pork. We need to render all their fat hides.

44 posted on 10/22/2010 12:00:17 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: Defiant; November 2010

thanks, but the words below the line were a re-post of FReeper “November 2010” who deserves the kudos for such a succinct list

I agree with your post, too


45 posted on 10/22/2010 12:05:56 PM PDT by Enchante (De-fund the agitprop twits of NPR, PBS, and CPB now!!)
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To: A.Hun
The double standard here is sick.

A few years ago the moderates on this board - maybe even you - were calling dissatisfied conservative Freepers 'unappeasables' and the nat'l GOP was telling us 'too bad your guy lost, now get on board'.

Well, things are changing and ya'll need to follow your own advice.

46 posted on 10/22/2010 12:34:37 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: UCFRoadWarrior; All

” Rove is an Open Borders Liberal Globalist....he is no conservative...and does not help the conservative cause. “

And he always HAS been a globalist RINO open-borders POS.
Now we need to broom Mitch McConnell, or nothing will be done about Obamacare.


47 posted on 10/22/2010 12:41:16 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: AndyJackson

I’ll agree with that...


48 posted on 10/22/2010 1:02:39 PM PDT by vox_freedom (America is being tested as never before in its history. May God help us.)
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To: skeeter
Well, things are changing and ya'll need to follow your own advice.

You'll find that I have either fully supported nominated candidates, or kept my criticisms to myself.

Personally, I think Rove screwed up with his comments about O'Donnell. It looked to me like he was angry more than anything else. He should have kept his mouth shut.

However, watching Freepers trash Rove for doing exactly the same thing they do on a daily basis strikes me as hypocritical. Should you support someone you disagree with because they won the nomination of your party or not?

I believe its the former, because that's how you win elections and stop the Democrats (our real enemy)....if you want to fight for a different candidate in the next primary, fine.

49 posted on 10/22/2010 1:16:57 PM PDT by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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To: A.Hun
Should you support someone you disagree with because they won the nomination of your party or not?

In all fairness, there is a HUGE difference between individuals offering opinions on a conservative political internet forum and a renown Republican rainmaker going on nat'l TV immediately following a primary and trashing his parties candidate.

Calling that a double standard is a bit over the top.

50 posted on 10/22/2010 1:25:09 PM PDT by skeeter
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