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Pontiac Falls From Muscle Car Glory to Graveyard
New York Times ^ | 10/29/2010 | Nick Bunkley

Posted on 10/29/2010 2:55:35 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd

DETROIT — Pontiac, the brand that invented the muscle car under its flamboyant engineer John Z. DeLorean, helped Burt Reynolds elude Sheriff Justice in “Smokey and the Bandit” and taught baby boomers to salivate over horsepower, but produced mostly forgettable cars for their children, will endure a lonely death on Sunday after about 40 million in sales.

It was 84 years old. The cause of death was in dispute. Fans said Pontiac’s wounds were self-inflicted, while General Motors blamed a terminal illness contracted during last year’s bankruptcy. Pontiac built its last car nearly a year ago, but the official end was set for Oct. 31, when G.M.’s agreements with Pontiac dealers expire.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: automakers; delorean; generalmotors; hotrod; johndelorean; manufacturing; michigan; musclecar; pontiac; scooter; theend; v8
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It's a good article. Has a point about the GTO that I didn't know

...(The engine in the GTO was a) violation of a G.M. policy dictating the maximum size of a car’s engine. The GTO was a hit, and the age of the muscle car had begun.

1 posted on 10/29/2010 2:55:38 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd
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To: Responsibility2nd

blame unions and incompetent management.


2 posted on 10/29/2010 2:57:27 PM PDT by ken21 (who runs the gop?)
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To: Responsibility2nd
aztek Pictures, Images and Photos
3 posted on 10/29/2010 2:57:27 PM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: ken21
"don't blame me".


4 posted on 10/29/2010 3:00:57 PM PDT by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: Snickering Hound

5 posted on 10/29/2010 3:01:55 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Responsibility2nd

6 posted on 10/29/2010 3:02:02 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Just because.


7 posted on 10/29/2010 3:04:09 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (lame and ill-informed post)
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To: Responsibility2nd
I worked for GM for 42 years.

GM was at its best when the divisions competed hard against each other in the 50s and 60s.

If something was messed up (styling or engineering), it was confined to one brand.

Once they went to "corporate" platforms and powertrains, screwups were mass produced by the millions, across three or four or five brands. This was the legacy of Roger Smith.

8 posted on 10/29/2010 3:05:26 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: central_va

The ‘65 (with the right equipment) was proably the fastest stock street rod of the muscle car era. I owned a ‘66 L-78 Chevy and it was no match for the 398 with the performance cam and duces...


9 posted on 10/29/2010 3:05:44 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Impeachment !)
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To: Responsibility2nd

I still recall the ‘67 GTO, 389 Tri-power that I had when I was about 18. Great fun and gas mileage and EPA were non-issues then. Easy to work on and great to drive with some mod’s.


10 posted on 10/29/2010 3:06:05 PM PDT by traditional1 ("Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama go:nna take care o' me!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

The sooner GM gets liquidated the better.


11 posted on 10/29/2010 3:06:43 PM PDT by Poison Pill
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To: Responsibility2nd

Well, the next muscle car will be the Chevrolet Volt. A status symbol of metrosexuals and greenies everywhere.


12 posted on 10/29/2010 3:08:25 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (In 2012: The Rookie and The Wookie get booted from the White House.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
My first car was a 1963 LeMans. I loved that car.
13 posted on 10/29/2010 3:09:09 PM PDT by Natural Law ("opera Christi non deficiunt, sed proficiunt")
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To: Responsibility2nd

I remember when Lucy, Ricky, Fred, and Ethel drove to California in their new 1957 Pontiac. They sang “California Here I Come” as they drove across the George Washington bridge.


14 posted on 10/29/2010 3:09:17 PM PDT by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: Responsibility2nd

15 posted on 10/29/2010 3:09:56 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius.)
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To: Mr. Mojo

Damn that is purdy!!


16 posted on 10/29/2010 3:10:26 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Moderates manipulate, extremists use violence, but the goal is the same.)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

the three levels one can buy the Corvette and her pricing are still world leading in tech, horsepower to weight , and price. Add the 5yr 100,000 mile warranty and the opportunity is unsurpassed


17 posted on 10/29/2010 3:11:06 PM PDT by advertising guy (did you know you can type stuff in here ?)
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To: Responsibility2nd

I got the hots for Pontiac as a kid when my older brother bought a 57 Chieftian which went like a bat out of hell. (347 cubes in a body about as heavy as a 57 Chevy.)

Later, my first car was a ‘64 GTO with which I street raced
enthusiastically until the Army dragged me away in 67.

I mourn the demise of Pontiac and GM.

Goddamned UAW.


18 posted on 10/29/2010 3:11:51 PM PDT by Zman516 (muslims, marxists, communists ---> satan's useful idiot corps)
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To: Snickering Hound

It just begs the question. Who walks into a car dealership and says, “Gee, I think I’ll take the butt ugly thing over there.”?


19 posted on 10/29/2010 3:12:13 PM PDT by Hoffer Rand (There ARE two Americas: "God's children" and the tax payers)
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To: Poison Pill

Dittoes.

I made the huge mistake of buying a brand new Pontiac Montana once. In 2000.

I’ll never make the mistake of buying GM again.


20 posted on 10/29/2010 3:12:52 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (Yes, as a matter of fact, what you do in your bedroom IS my business.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

I went with a fellow student in 1966 to pick up his new GTO. He had ordered the 4 barrel but the first one they got in was the 3 deuces. He went ahead and got it. This was at James Lee motors in Crestview, Florida.

I remember riding with him back to school and passing another car. I had never ridden in anything that ran like that.


21 posted on 10/29/2010 3:13:11 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Responsibility2nd
This is the company that spent four years getting the Fiero just right, only to cancel it...


22 posted on 10/29/2010 3:13:40 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Cicero

You guys with your pictures make these articles sing!


23 posted on 10/29/2010 3:14:49 PM PDT by RoadTest (Religion is a substitute for the relationship God wants with you.)
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To: Poison Pill
The sooner GM gets liquidated the better.

I'm with you. GM crossed the line with the Bailout. All GM brands need to join Pontiac.

24 posted on 10/29/2010 3:14:49 PM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: traditional1

I was always partial to the ‘66. My folks bought a 1966 GTO convertible, royal blue with a blue interior. It was a gorgeous car, and passed everything on the road but a gas station, even with the Pontiac slush-o-matic transmission.

I got to drive it when it was a bit old and beat up (thanks to a few fender benders my brother got into) but I recall that it still could fly.

A lot better than the European Jogging Shoes that are on the market today!


25 posted on 10/29/2010 3:17:11 PM PDT by ssaftler ("Politically Correct" is neither!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Well, it’s just me and my ‘98 FireBird now. Anyone got an extra Firebird 3800 six cyl engine for sale? Gonna stick some heads on there, stuff in a cam...


26 posted on 10/29/2010 3:17:58 PM PDT by TalBlack
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To: Snickering Hound

The G6 is a great looking car.


27 posted on 10/29/2010 3:18:12 PM PDT by luvbach1 (Stop Barry now. He can't help himself.)
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To: nascarnation
GM was at its best when the divisions competed hard against each other in the 50s and 60s.

How can they compete against each other when the UAW runs the show, then and now?

28 posted on 10/29/2010 3:18:17 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: Responsibility2nd

Previous Pontiac owner here, too!

‘66 GTO

‘67 Catalina

The GTO was an ugly beater, but it was fast and fun. It even got good mileage on the highway if you maintained 75 mph (which was a problem, because I had it during the era of the 55 mph national speed limit).


29 posted on 10/29/2010 3:21:33 PM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: TalBlack

That’s AKA the Buick 231, as made famous in the Buick GNX.

DON’T cam it, turbo it.


30 posted on 10/29/2010 3:21:45 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Poor Old Nobama Thinks It’s A Cadillac.


31 posted on 10/29/2010 3:22:20 PM PDT by printhead
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To: Last Dakotan

The UAW runs the show now because their VEBA has the ownership.

That was a result of the Baraqqi ploy to steal GM from the bondholders and overturn centuries of bankruptcy precedents.

I can guarantee back in the 50s and 60s the UAW had essentially zero input regarding corporate strategy. If you don’t believe me, read some of the books by guys like Delorean.


32 posted on 10/29/2010 3:23:53 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: Responsibility2nd

I was a big fan of the Temptest back in the day.


33 posted on 10/29/2010 3:26:38 PM PDT by ▀udda▀udd (7 days - 7 ways Guero >>> with a floating, shifting, ever changing persona.....)
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To: tubebender; glock rocks; Pete-R-Bilt

ping


34 posted on 10/29/2010 3:27:23 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Conflict is inevitable; Combat is an option. Train for the fight.)
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To: luvbach1

My first ride in a Goat (67) almost snapped my neck- and that was going uphill.


35 posted on 10/29/2010 3:33:13 PM PDT by budwiesest (It's that girl from Alaska, again.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

I had an 88 Fiero Formula. I really enjoyed that car!!!


36 posted on 10/29/2010 3:33:57 PM PDT by titanicsuccess
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To: titanicsuccess

I had a ‘63 Bonneville drop-top. It was bronze with black leather interior and with the big Detroit V8 it went like hell. I buried the needle more than once.


37 posted on 10/29/2010 3:37:17 PM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: ssaftler

Little GTO, you’re really lookin’ fine
Three deuces and a four-speed and a 389
Listen to her tachin’ up now, listen to her why-ee-eye-ine
C’mon and turn it on, wind it up, blow it out GTO

Wa-wa, (Yeah, yeah, little GTO)
Wa, wa, wa, wa, wa, wa (Yeah, yeah, little GTO)
Wa-wa, (Yeah, yeah, little GTO)
Wa, wa, wa, wa, wa, wa (Yeah, yeah, little GTO)
Wa-wa (Ahhh, little GTO)
Wa, wa, wa, wa, wa, wa

You oughta see her on a road course or a quarter mile
This little modified Pon-Pon has got plenty of style
She beats the gassers and the rail jobs,
really drives ‘em why-ee-eye-ild
C’mon and turn it on, wind it up, blow it out GTO

Wa-wa, (Yeah, yeah, little GT”)
wa, wa, wa, wa, wa, wa (Yeah, yeah, little GTO)
Wa-wa, (Yeah, yeah, little GTO)
Wa, wa, wa, wa, wa, wa (Yeah, yeah, little GTO)
Wa-wa (Ahhh, little GTO)
Wa, wa, wa, wa, wa, wa

Gonna save all my money (turnin’ it on, blowin’ it out)
and buy a GTO (turnin’ it on, blowin’ it out)
Get a helmet and a roll bar (turnin’ it on, blowin’ it out)
and I’ll be ready to go (turnin’ it on, blowin’ it out)
Take it out to Pomona (turnin’ it on, blowin’ it out)
and let ‘em know (turnin’ it on, blowin’ it out), yeah, yeah
That I’m the coolest thing around
Little buddy, gonna shut you down
When I turn it on, wind it up, blow it out GTO

Wa-wa, (Yeah, yeah, little GTO)
Wa, wa, wa, wa, wa, wa (Yeah, yeah, little GTO)
Wa-wa, (Yeah, yeah, little GT)
Wa, wa, wa, wa, wa, wa (Yeah, yeah, little GT)
Wa-wa (Ahhh, little GT)
Wa, wa, wa, wa, wa, wa


38 posted on 10/29/2010 3:38:18 PM PDT by rahbert
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To: UCANSEE2

I’m home alone. When I saw this photo, I said ^out-loud^...

Dude...that is one tricked out goat.

Thanks for the memories!


39 posted on 10/29/2010 3:39:48 PM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Islam is a violent and tyrannical political ideology and has nothing to do with "religion".)
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To: Mr. Mojo
I wish Pontiac brought back the GTO and Firebird like Dodge did with the Charger and Challenger. I think both the Charger and Challenger are sharp sport scars. They look a lot like the old muscle cars and you can get one with the horsepower too.
40 posted on 10/29/2010 3:43:21 PM PDT by peeps36 (America is being destroyed by filthy traitors in the political establishment)
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To: ├čudda├čudd
Here's mine:

I even had the OHC Six. I had a lot of problems keeping oil pressure in the cam. Lost a lot of lifters and rocker arms. My Dad and I rigged a hose from the oil pump to the top of the cam shaft cover. Never lost a part again!

41 posted on 10/29/2010 3:43:52 PM PDT by Alas Babylon! (Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must-like men-undergo the fatigue of supporting it)
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To: Responsibility2nd
My 1st Car at age 16 (1959) was a 1953 Chev

After that for many a year I became a devoted "P" man.

Had a 1956 and 57.

Then I joined the USAF in 1962

This is a pic of (an exact duplicate, down to the Rally wheels and wood steering wheel) my first new car ever and the one which holds the most memories.

I ordered the GOAT while in Nam and picked it up on July 7th 1967 in Pontiac MI.

The people at the Factory were super nice and they rushed finishing the production as I was a week early.

If you can imagine the thrill when they called me and told me that my "Iron" would be ready at such and such a time and sent someone to pick me up at the motel I was staying.

NOT ONLY did I witness it rolling up to the end of the assembly line, but they gave me the keys and I drove it....out the door.

Undoubtedly one the biggest--and not soon to be forgotten--thrils of my life

Here it is: 400 Cu in, HO, 360 HP, 4 Speed and...a "Mover" in its day!

67_00244_1

42 posted on 10/29/2010 3:49:44 PM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet ((One of ONLY 37 Conservatives in the People's Republic of Vermont. Socialists and Progressives All))
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To: Natural Law
My first car was a '65 LeMans. I loved that car too. Paid $350 cash for it, after saving up all summer working at an ice cream store. It looked something like this:

You could practically play football on the hood, and you could climb into the the engine compartment and sit comfortably while you did whatever needed doing under there.

What a car -- what a country. RIP

43 posted on 10/29/2010 3:51:59 PM PDT by Semper911 (When you want to rob Peter to pay Paul, you'll always have the support of Paul.)
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To: TalBlack

I have owned a 1976, 1979 and 2001 Trans-Am.


44 posted on 10/29/2010 3:57:26 PM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

I had a 1970 Grand Prix back in the early 90`s. It was a 455 car and was just about dead stock as you can get ( with the exception an 066 cam I installed from a GTO a friend parted out). I loved to race stock Mustang GT`s. Me and my “whitewall tires” would usually walk by them at the century mark at the track. That car was a sled but it was a torgue monster !!

My favorite car was a 1970 Olds Cutlass W/31. I owned that car for many years. Next would be my 1970 Gran Sport 455 convertible.


45 posted on 10/29/2010 4:00:37 PM PDT by Bud Krieger (Another President, another idiot....)
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To: Responsibility2nd
"The cause of death was in dispute. Fans said Pontiac’s wounds were self-inflicted, while General Motors blamed a terminal illness contracted during last year’s bankruptcy.

Permit me to add my 2 cents and opine!

While many other companies where bringing back replicas of the Muscle Car, the ONE which actually spawned the craze (The Goat) was relegated to the ash heap of history by some MORON MOONBAT (who's identidy escapes me and I'd rather not remember who this A-Hole was) decision, to produce the replica (dare I say a PIECE OF SHEET, "SLED") in Australia and it's looks were an abomination.

While all of the other reproductions (from the Vette to the Pony Car--Mustang) incorporated features of its predecessors, the GTO Holden (GAG ME WITH A SPOON as the old saying used to go) looked like ever other piece of crapola when produced.

IF Pontiac had manufactured a vehicle which in any way resembled the Goat of 1964-67, I (and thousands of other who railed against that decision, yet that young "Brain-Dead Idiot" who had the final say so, scoffed at us) are convinced they would have sold TENS of THOUSANDS to us "Aficionados" and though it might not have saved the Pontiac Division, it certainly would have added to its bottom line!

46 posted on 10/29/2010 4:03:11 PM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet ((One of ONLY 37 Conservatives in the People's Republic of Vermont. Socialists and Progressives All))
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To: B4Ranch

I must scan some old photos and get them on fotki so I can post some of the legendary 65 GTO that I raced in 65, 66, 67 and traded it in for a 68 Chevy Step Side which I still have. Muscle cars were killed by the EPA among other fed agencies...


47 posted on 10/29/2010 4:03:48 PM PDT by tubebender
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To: Responsibility2nd
Pontiac Astre... A muscle car for sure. (I had the sister car - the Vega)


48 posted on 10/29/2010 4:13:15 PM PDT by raybbr (Someone who invades another country is NOT an immigrant - illegal or otherwise.)
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To: ken21

Blame Dex-cool as well....


49 posted on 10/29/2010 4:14:56 PM PDT by donozark (Nobody loves me! Everybody hates me! I'm going to go eat worms!)
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To: Responsibility2nd


These were all the rage back when I was in high school.
50 posted on 10/29/2010 4:15:30 PM PDT by 38special (Remember in November!)
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