Posted on 11/06/2010 10:53:29 AM PDT by MamaDearest
Snips from Excerpt only website: Seventy-two percent of black babies are born to unmarried mothers today, according to government statistics. This number is inseparable from the work of Carroll, an obstetrician who has dedicated her 40-year career to helping black women.
The black community's 72 percent rate eclipses that of most other groups: 17 percent of Asians, 29 percent of whites, 53 percent of Hispanics and 66 percent of Native Americans were born to unwed mothers in 2008, the most recent year for which government figures are available. The rate for the overall U.S. population was 41 percent.
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Struggle?
For all its faults, Liberalism is not forcing these results.
http://www.jointcenter.org/DB/factsheet/livarg.htm
Link from Census.Gov:
http://www.census.gov/population/socdemo/ms-la/tabch-3.txt
I've read at least one comment that suggested "liberals" did what the KKK could not. That's actually very close to the truth but not quite.
I maintain that who we call "liberal politicians" today are the result of the Democrats shifting their tactics from lynching and repression beginning in the mid 1800s, to repression and family destruction through the welfare system in the 1960s.
white rate was....get this...unbelievable...2 percent in 1940s and 3.6% in 1963
last time blacks voted GOP was prior to 1932...for the record
black rate was 16.8% in 1940s and 23.6 percent in 1963...
and they were alarmed about this then even BEFORE the Great Society junk
welfare just worsened it but it's more than that...it's a cultural breakdown and rejection of values and religion based morality that is now considered “extreme” to believe in
and while the black rate has quadrupled, the white rate has increased more than 10 fold proving that welfare and LBJ only made matters worse but neither created the mess nor explain the increase beyond the black community
here is a Government work on the issue from 1963...it explains it all very clearly and shows how far we've fallen with such dire consequence...two Americas basically...those of us clinging to a Norman Rockwell vision of traditionalism and families and those who've abandoned all hope and dignity and have embraced the feral
http://www.dol.gov/oasam/programs/history/moynchapter2.htm
i had a pal over last nite who just moved down from Canada and is rather a libertarian...he's Polish but raised in South Africa....his forst comment to me was why are all the poorer white parts of Nashville area now overrun with chavs or "wiggahs" or whatever the correct term is....it is a major issue here...not so much in Mississippi where I come from but is epidemic in middle TN....it's part of the whole breakdown...it has spread to all groups...when I grew up poor whites had dignity
black illegitimacy rate was 25% prior to welfare state...not an insignificant rate and 8 times that of whites at the time
“Statistics are like a woman’s bikini, what it reveals is of interest, but what it conceals is vital.” - Igor Karasyck
it was amongst whites less than one tenth of what it is now and amongst blacks one third
shame worked...and not just on illegitimacy
it’s irresponsible women too...having babies with idiot rakes whose average IQ barely breaks 80
to always claim they are at the mercy of a party or something external makes them seem like helpless pets
the soft bigotry of low expectations...the Dems live for it and brainwashed GOP folks right on this forum do it too
i have lived the world over...the issues facing black culture here is not wholly different than that in Haiti, Jamaica, Brasil, West Africa etc where there is little or no welfare to blame but the crime, illegitimacy and local corruption is the same or worse
over ten times what it was 40 years ago
black rate has only tripled...it was already fairly high at 23 percent then
“black illegitimacy rate was 25% prior to welfare state”
When did the period “prior to the welfare state” end?
this is not so common all over the South, but middle TN is eat up with it...my friends in NY state say they have never seen anything like what they see here
and given how overweight poorer white girls are now, the picking are plenty
btw...i think these types of women and maybe their counterpart in the black community want to get pregnant no matter since they may fear their opportunities are rather limited...so make hay while the sun shines on them so to speak
elaborate...what do you think these comparative stats are hiding?
Welfare as we know it instituted by LBJ and Congress including some GOP too was first implemented in stages between 1964-1966
There had been some programs prior to that time since the New Deal but LBJ and his supporters in Congress took it to a new level
according to the data I mined on this thread from DOL source...black rate was 23.6 in 1963 just before this....white rate 3.6...we all know how it’s gone since
Thanks for the correction. I liked the (erroneous) figure not out of anything to do with PC but because it seemed to clearly pin the blame for black family breakdown on Great Society liberalism. An actual figure of 17% muddies the waters somewhat but I think the point still holds, though it needs to be widened some to include the effects of the 60s social revolution which affected whites too.
The Dominica Republic has a per capita GDP of $9,208 while Haiti has per capita GDP of $733.
One country is 11% black, the other 90%. Guess which?
I think Great Society worsened it for all dependent groups on programs but black culture already had a disproportionate problem made worse.
But it’s more than just welfare.
It’s inherent culture and a breakdown in morality.
Illegitimacy and serial marriage-less fathering is pervasive in black culture worldwide...but they are not the only group...many Amerindians all over the western Hemisphere and some Polynesian groups and some Pacific dwellers..and poor whites as well as latinos have had their rates surge ...in Europe it’s an issue in places but whites have such low fertility there that few notice
there is a dearth of material out there on worldwide rates...nobody dare mention it
Had I been thrown in the National Penitentiary in Port Au Prince I would have likely perished
in those days Haiti was just one coup after another
marriage in Haiti is non existent except in business classes and the mulatto bourgeoisie
“struggle”? To struggle they would need to care.
That may be true.
But, the social destruction of the black family, on a statistically large scale did not begin suddenly with the LBJ welfare legislation.
It began slowly, and increased from the mid-fifties into the 1960s, in the post WWII boom that saw big employment opportunity increases predominately in the mid-west and the northeast, but not in the south, where the largest black populations were at the time.
That period saw a huge migration to the northeast and the mid-west of the south’s least educated, least well-positioned blacks (blacks who needed a job most, not the southern blacks who needed a job the least), predominately from the rural south and predominately males who predominately went north on their own.
Many middle class blacks of big mid-western cities moved to the “suburbs” as this “underclass” filled their neighborhoods and helped create northeast and mid-western ghettos. I know folks in Chicago and New York who witnessed this transformation.
Many did get jobs in the “booming” mid-west, but many of their fellow southern migrants did not, and did not obtain the financial status for building a family; and being beyond high school age did not get further education. Both the migration and the increases of black unemployment in the northeast and the mid-west, in the post WWI period is evident in the census and economic data of the period.
A decade after that process began, “welfare” did not create those conditions that I just mentioned, nor did it create the cultural conditions that helped determine how the blacks caught up in it responded to it either; it just helped sustain, helped prop-up, the pathologies of broken families, instead of incentivizing toward correcting them.
The primary focus of “support” against the 1960s conditions in mid-west and northeast ghettos needed to go to private capital-based job creation, and education and job training for the former southern migrants to encourage the lesser creation of single unemployed males. Instead, most of what “welfare” financed was single-parent female headed households, even to the discouragement of them marrying the men who fathered their children.
“Welfare” did not single-handedly create that which “welfare” DID make a worse mess of.
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