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Blacks struggle with 72 percent unwed mothers rate
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Posted on 11/08/2010 10:21:24 AM PST by roses of sharon

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The black community's 72 percent rate eclipses that of most other groups: 17 percent of Asians, 29 percent of whites, 53 percent of Hispanics and 66 percent of Native Americans were born to unwed mothers in 2008, the most recent year for which government figures are available. The rate for the overall U.S. population was 41 percent.

This issue entered the public consciousness in 1965, when a now famous government report by future senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan described a "tangle of pathology" among blacks that fed a 24 percent black "illegitimacy" rate. The white rate then was 4 percent.

Many accused Moynihan, who was white, of "blaming the victim:" of saying that black behavior, not racism, was the main cause of black problems. That dynamic persists. Most talk about the 72 percent has come from conservative circles; when influential blacks like Bill Cosby have spoken out about it, they have been all but shouted down by liberals saying that a lack of equal education and opportunity are the true root of the problem.

Even in black churches, "nobody talks about it," Carroll says. "It's like some big secret."

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There are simple arguments for why so many black women have children without marriage.

The legacy of segregation, the logic goes, means blacks are more likely to attend inferior schools. This creates a high proportion of blacks unprepared to compete for jobs in today's economy, where middle-class industrial work for unskilled laborers has largely disappeared.

The drug epidemic sent disproportionate numbers of black men to prison, and crushed the job opportunities for those who served their time. Women don't want to marry men who can't provide for their families, and welfare laws created a financial incentive for poor mothers to stay single.

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Since we do not live in a vacuum, this concerns all of us. (Especially since minority Americans vote repeatedly to take more and more earnings from their fellow Americans.)

It is sickening that for 40 years running these American children are being brought up under such horrific crime, education, and political circumstances.

It should be unacceptable to all...but what can be done?

1 posted on 11/08/2010 10:21:26 AM PST by roses of sharon
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To: roses of sharon

Blacks are 91% for Obama’s “redistribution” of middle class money, so it is indeed a problem.


2 posted on 11/08/2010 10:23:27 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker
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To: roses of sharon

Bush’s fault.


3 posted on 11/08/2010 10:24:15 AM PST by Doctor 2Brains (If the government were Paris Hilton, it could not score a free drink in a bar full of lonely sailors)
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To: roses of sharon
It sure makes a statement about male black responsibility...

Mike

4 posted on 11/08/2010 10:24:32 AM PST by MichaelP (It's a start!!!)
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To: roses of sharon

You put a ring on her finger and work your butt off to provide for her and your children.

Shocking concept, but for those men (not just black men) who do it, the more successful they are individually.


5 posted on 11/08/2010 10:26:13 AM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: roses of sharon

Blacks struggle with 72,000,000 milllion unwed father rate


6 posted on 11/08/2010 10:26:15 AM PST by bunkerhill7
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To: roses of sharon

America elected a black president. Enough of the excuses.


7 posted on 11/08/2010 10:26:21 AM PST by ari-freedom (Ding dong the Pelosi is gone!)
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To: roses of sharon

Blacks struggle with 72,000,000 unwed father rate


8 posted on 11/08/2010 10:26:52 AM PST by bunkerhill7
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To: roses of sharon

If they have a 72 percent unwed mothers rate they aren’t struggling very hard.


9 posted on 11/08/2010 10:27:57 AM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: roses of sharon

It doesn’t sound like they are struggling at all with it.


10 posted on 11/08/2010 10:28:31 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: roses of sharon
If the NAACP would decide to sincerely tackle the issues of high levels of black illegitimacy and high drop out rates it would do more to improve things for African Americans than anything the organization has ever done. Don't hold your breath though.
11 posted on 11/08/2010 10:28:44 AM PST by circlecity
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To: roses of sharon
It should be unacceptable to all...but what can be done?

Bill Cosby tried to address this issue, among others, not too long ago and was promptly vilified. So, I guess nothing can be done.

It just shows how much Sharpton,Jackson et al really care about their own.

12 posted on 11/08/2010 10:28:48 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: MichaelP

Pants on the ground.


13 posted on 11/08/2010 10:30:17 AM PST by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: roses of sharon
One thing that should be noted is that the out-of-wedlock birth RATE (births per 100,000) for blacks is lower than it is for Hispanics and not enormously higher than whites. What is high is the PERCENTAGE of out-of-wedlock births due to the low rate of births to married black Americans, which is an average of around 0.8 children per married couple. If married blacks would have more children, the 73% statistic would drop considerably.
14 posted on 11/08/2010 10:30:33 AM PST by LightningStriker2010
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To: roses of sharon

I heard that the percentage of black mothers who are unwed is much lower than the percentage of black babies born to unwed mothers. The unwed black mothers have far more babies than married black mothers.


15 posted on 11/08/2010 10:30:44 AM PST by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: roses of sharon

The first step to recovery is admitting there is a problem. But in today’s PC world, any White who talks about the problem is branded a racist, and few Blacks are willing to talk about it - preferring to blame the problem on Whites.


16 posted on 11/08/2010 10:30:45 AM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (Annoying liberals is my goal. I will not be silenced.)
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To: roses of sharon
Since we do not live in a vacuum, this concerns all of us.

No doubt. Look at the white illegitimacy rate -- 4% in 1965, 29% in 2010. Cultural disintegration.

17 posted on 11/08/2010 10:31:00 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: roses of sharon
...struggle...

Yeah, it's real struggle to knock up every baby momma you run across.

18 posted on 11/08/2010 10:31:31 AM PST by the invisib1e hand (every bad idea once seemed good to someone.)
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To: AppyPappy

The article is a long one, and many in it are very concerned, and some quoted in the article do “get it”.


19 posted on 11/08/2010 10:31:43 AM PST by roses of sharon (I can do all things through Him who strengthens me. Philippians 4:13)
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To: roses of sharon

Well, it appears that what we can do is stop whatever it is we have been doing since the rates have been climbing steadily since the 1960s. I believe the black unwed birthrate was about 23% in 1960 and the white rate was about 4%. Since then we have made black fathers (and white fathers for that matter) irrelevant. And what has happened?


20 posted on 11/08/2010 10:32:23 AM PST by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: roses of sharon

Thank you, Johnson’s Great Society.
Broke the back of the Black Family and it crept out to everyone else.

Thank you, Sexual Revolution. Now every family has a slut in the closet.


21 posted on 11/08/2010 10:34:18 AM PST by TASMANIANRED (Liberals are educated above their level of intelligence.. Thanks Sr. Angelica)
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To: roses of sharon
Blacks struggle with 72 percent unwed mothers rate

Doesn't appear that they're struggling all that hard, since the problem has been around for decades.

22 posted on 11/08/2010 10:34:20 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: LightningStriker2010

Thank you for that info, I was unaware of that.


23 posted on 11/08/2010 10:34:29 AM PST by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: Puppage
We have to get the able-bodied off welfare and stop rewarding baby factories. Once that happens women will stop laying down for men that wont support them.
24 posted on 11/08/2010 10:34:45 AM PST by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Mr. Mojo

So many of my peers daughters have had at least one baby before they got married. It frankly sort of shocked me, but it seems to be the norm nowadays.


25 posted on 11/08/2010 10:35:47 AM PST by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: MichaelP
Does it not similarly make a statement about black female responsibility? A woman has nearly 100% control over whether she becomes pregnant or not.
26 posted on 11/08/2010 10:35:55 AM PST by LightningStriker2010
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To: TASMANIANRED

It does not seem they keep them in the closet.


27 posted on 11/08/2010 10:36:46 AM PST by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: roses of sharon

My dady was so smart.

He has been telling me about this inevitable result of Democrat nonsense since the seventies.


28 posted on 11/08/2010 10:37:10 AM PST by Notwithstanding
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To: TASMANIANRED

And packing them on top of each other in public housing was a mistake.

Just imagine trying to raise a child with gangs next door...it was a horrible public policy decision.


29 posted on 11/08/2010 10:37:20 AM PST by roses of sharon (I can do all things through Him who strengthens me. Philippians 4:13)
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To: LightningStriker2010

She gets the gubbamint check, not the guy.

The guy gets child support.(not that he’ll pay it)


30 posted on 11/08/2010 10:38:48 AM PST by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: Puppage

Jesse jackson should take the lead in this issue, I mean he is a expert with hands on experience making a black woman an unwed mother.


31 posted on 11/08/2010 10:44:07 AM PST by fungoking (Tis a blessing to live in the Ozarks.)
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To: roses of sharon

Struggle? As if this burden is being forced upon them?


32 posted on 11/08/2010 10:44:20 AM PST by mikey_hates_everything
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To: brytlea

A lot of people don’t realize this. Between 1970 and 2005, the out of wedlock birth rate for blacks dropped from 96 per 1000 to around 60 out of 1000. So the rate has steadily dropped for 35 years. The problem is that the rate of births to married blacks has dropped faster.

http://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2009/02/the-math-on-black-out-of-wedlock-births/6738/


33 posted on 11/08/2010 10:45:40 AM PST by LightningStriker2010
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To: roses of sharon

1) 17 percent of Asians
2) 29 percent of whites
3) 53 percent of Hispanics
4) 66 percent of Native Americans
5) 72 percent of blacks


Stange how this correlates to so many other things in life. If you were to list the groups that do the best in school from 1st to 5th, it would be the same order. Avg. income by group, percentage that attends college, percentage that has never been arrested, percentage that starts their own business, etc...

It just confirms the fact of how important a stable family is.

Bill Cosby was right, and got hammered by the left for speaking the truth.


34 posted on 11/08/2010 10:45:53 AM PST by Brookhaven (Voter Fraud is Treason)
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To: roses of sharon
“It should be unacceptable to all...but what can be done?”

Step one is to provide and protect. Provide a forum for honest discussion and problem-solving, and protecting the people who speak the truth.

Step two is to replace 90% of the American-hating, self-loathing white elite in the media with black, brown, and Asian men and women, whose education came from the school of ‘hard knocks’.

Step three: Replace the Ivy League schmucks from any and all gov’t agencies with people who have actually worked for a living most of their adult lives.

Step four: Tar and feather all activist judges, replacing them with those who respect the Constitution and who don't want to be bothered with frivolous lawsuits intended to take down this country.

Step five: Implement the school voucher program. Allow any school to get rid of the troublemakers so the children that want to learn can. Without fear of financial or other retribution.

35 posted on 11/08/2010 10:47:16 AM PST by MichaelCorleone
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To: roses of sharon

I am guessing Hallmark does not sell many Fathers Day cards in Harlem.


36 posted on 11/08/2010 10:48:34 AM PST by Random Access
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To: LightningStriker2010
Does it not similarly make a statement about black female responsibility?

Absolutely, many get abortions...

Mike

37 posted on 11/08/2010 10:49:19 AM PST by MichaelP (It's a start!!!)
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To: roses of sharon

The hip-hop/urban culture treats women as pieces of meat, to be used for self-gratification then discarded like yesterday’s trash.

There’s no surprise that this would be the result of such primitive, thuggish thinking.


38 posted on 11/08/2010 10:51:54 AM PST by reagan_fanatic (If the GOP reaches across the aisle, we're gonna chop off their hands.)
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To: LightningStriker2010

Well, that’s really sad. When I taught high school I always hated that people made over the pregnant high school girls. I didn’t want to be *mean* to them, but I also didn’t want to encourage the behavior. It really is true that other girls see the attention and think how much fun it is to also have a baby. People discount that as a factor, but teens tend to want to do what others are doing, and they have very little foresight. My first year teaching I had a pregnant 9th grader who already had a baby at home.


39 posted on 11/08/2010 10:52:27 AM PST by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: roses of sharon
It is a terrible problem and many if not most of the issues dealing with crime, welfare, promiscuity, education and drugs are symptoms of this problem.

But, no one will talk about it. Not the blacks, not the whites, not the Hispanics. The Conservatives do not want to talk about it either, due to the obvious indictment of Sarah Palin.

40 posted on 11/08/2010 10:55:08 AM PST by MBB1984
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To: MichaelCorleone

Good ideas...


41 posted on 11/08/2010 10:56:24 AM PST by roses of sharon (I can do all things through Him who strengthens me. Philippians 4:13)
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To: LightningStriker2010

Sorry, I don’t trust the liberal “Atlantic” on anything.


42 posted on 11/08/2010 10:57:40 AM PST by MBB1984
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To: roses of sharon

Since BEFORE johnson tried to build his “Great Society”, same as it ever was.

LLS


43 posted on 11/08/2010 11:02:16 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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To: Mr. Mojo
This is the result of diverstity, unbridled by traditional America Family Values.

LLS

44 posted on 11/08/2010 11:04:30 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Exactly. And the DemonRat Party yanked them down. Republicans need to go to the ministers and preachers and work with the churches to improve education in the inner cities. Education vouchers is something they would welcome.

There’s the wedge issue.


45 posted on 11/08/2010 11:05:16 AM PST by SC_Pete
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To: forgotten man

White unwed mothers are seeing a huge increase in having black babies out of wedlock.

LLS


46 posted on 11/08/2010 11:06:24 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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To: roses of sharon

As a result, fatherless male children have no role models and fatherless females follow their mothers’ ritual.

All of these children grow up believing that the Government is their benefactor and socialism is reborn in every generation; to thrive in perpetuity.

The odds are overwhelming.


47 posted on 11/08/2010 11:09:01 AM PST by sodpoodle (Despair; man's surrender. Laughter; God 's redemption.)
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48 posted on 11/08/2010 11:09:16 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: TASMANIANRED
Thank you, Johnson’s Great Society. Broke the back of the Black Family and it crept out to everyone else. Thank you, Sexual Revolution. Now every family has a slut in the closet.

I was just going to almost post the same thing. I was thinking 3 generations of welfare thanks to Johnson's Great Society black vote getting scheme + Thank You Bill Clinton. You know, everyone was initially shocked with the Monica thing. . then it became a joke. You don't think attitudes and cultural shifts come from the top down? You betcha' they do.

As an aside, seems I'm seeing more interracial couples recently. Is this "cool" now since Obama? Any stats on this?

49 posted on 11/08/2010 11:10:43 AM PST by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: MBB1984

I know, and it is crazy for Conservatives not to talk about it, especially social conservatives.

Because it is what drove this nation towards the Nannie State...to Socialism, Marxism, Comunisum, less freedom, more rules and regs, which leads dangerous men being elected to the Congress and the Presidency.

“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.” — C.S. Lewis


50 posted on 11/08/2010 11:11:00 AM PST by roses of sharon (I can do all things through Him who strengthens me. Philippians 4:13)
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