Amazing Interview: Air Force General says "Sub Launched Missile, 100% Certain"

Fox News Interview with Air Force General Tom McInerney | November 14th 2010 | Fox News Hannity Interview

[DontTreadOnMe2009]

Hannity was surprised to hear a famous ex Air Force General tell him “That Is A Missile, Shot From A Submarine!” I quote retired Air Force Lieutenant General Tom McInerney (ex commander of 11th Air Force in Alaska) “I spent 35 years flying fighters, and you can see the guidance system kick in, I have watched that film 10 times, I am absolutely certain that that is not an aircraft, but a sub launch ICBM missile!!!” See the video and judge his words for yourself. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LivRJOWrcpA&feature=player_embedded#! I will next post a clickable link.

[justa-hairyape]

Thanks for the Point Mugu tip. Here is a related article. They bring up some interesting points, but also go into, well it probably was a plane stuff.

Secret U.S. Test of Foreign Missile Might Explain Mysterious L.A. Contrail

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WASHINGTON -- The use of an obscure U.S. Navy facility at San Nicolas Island to secretly test foreign-made missiles is a possible, if remote, explanation for the appearance on Monday of a mysterious condensation trail in the sky just off the California coast, according to some aerospace experts (see GSN, Oct. 22).

The proximity of the event to the San Nicolas Island facility, though, has some civilian experts musing about the prospect that the U.S. government simply cannot -- or will not -- acknowledge a highly secretive missile launch.

"This [could be] where we bought something we don't want the world to know we bought," said one former government insider who asked not to be named in discussing a highly sensitive topic.

On at least one occasion in the past, the Defense Department has used San Nicolas -- an uninhabited land mass in California's Channel Islands -- for engineering evaluations of foreign missiles that the U.S. military seeks to better understand, experts told Global Security Newswire.

For example, the Pentagon several years ago secretly procured a number of Scud missiles and used them to test U.S. interceptor technologies, according to one specialist. The use of these missiles has since become public.

[justa-hairyape]

Another article linked from above article.

Airborne Laser Test Again Ends Unsuccessfully, Friday October 22nd 2010

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The U.S. Missile Defense Agency's experimental aircraft-mounted laser, in a test yesterday off the coast of Southern California, failed for the second consecutive time to eliminate a target missile, Reuters reported (see GSN, Sept. 13).

Initial understanding of the test failure is that the Airborne Laser Test Bed, located in the front of a converted Boeing 747, followed the target missile's emissions plume but then failed to pass the information to another "active tracking" system as required before the laser could be activated, MDA spokesman Richard Lehner said.

[Yaelle]

Looking at your photos, why does the one from last Monday HAVE to be an optical illusion going the opposite way that it looks, when the other two (of missiles) are allowed to be what they look like, going in the direction they appear to be going?? You know?

My ONLY ONLY ONLY personal beef with the contrail theory is that every weekday I see this beautiful coastal sky, and the planes that are always in it, and contrails when the atmosphere is right, and I have never seen anything like this. I admit to not knowing much, but what I do know is that this was highly unusual.

[Yaelle]

Why, if this is only a simple contrail, an optical illusion, can’t we find the original 10-minute video ANYWHERE???????

[justa-hairyape]

No evidence will every be sufficient.

Told you what evidence was required. To counter a zoomed in high res video of an event, a zoomed in high res video of the counter event is required. The same helicopter flies every day. The same plane flies every day. This time of year we frequently experience weather systems coming down from the North Pacific. Once the counter video is produced, the real debate can start. You would think that some professional news sources might be interested. Hey, maybe we can get the Mythbusters to cover this when our esteemed President goes on their program. FYI - That last statement was a joke.

Even weather satellite imagery was shoing the contrails. But NASA is in on the cover up!

NASA ? What a joke. They are now assigned to promote self esteem for Muslims.

[kelly4c]

Okay. After reading Freeper posts and a lot of the comments at a Fox news story on this I am convinced this was no regular airplane. The majority of the posts over there are pro-missile and there are plenty of knowledgeable sounding people who are convinced. Anyway, is anybody here who believes it’s one of ours worried all the same? I know we test these things but does the Govt. usually remain tight-lipped about it?

[Yaelle]

You know what I am thinking tonight? That this WAS a test from the San Nicholas Island testing area, and the military is secretive about it because loose lips sink ships. If they are testing AGAINST another country’s wares, they probably do not want that country reading the truth on our media /internet sites. This could be national security compromising, and possibly put people in harm’s way one day. But that’s probably what happened; it would explain everything.

Sometimes a missile is just a missile.

[Yaelle]

See my post right after yours. I am comforted that the military would keep this secret in order to prevent knowledge of what they are testing coming out. We do not need to know everything. If we figure out how to either use something new offensively or how to be defensive against something of someone else’s, we save lives on our side.

If the military felt they had to keep this tight, its OK by me.

[justa-hairyape]

Anyway, is anybody here who believes it’s one of ours worried all the same?

If it was one of ours there is nothing to worry about, unless of course whatever they were testing failed. They also may have used that type of missile to test the plane based laser missile defense system. Another failed test occurred off the So Cal coast a little over 1 month before this event. Now the linked story I posted at the top of this page is a little bit of a worry. Possibility that our government is allowing other governments to test their missiles from San Nicolas launch facility. The new US Congress should at least find out everything that is going on at the launch facilities around here.

[Finny]

You live in San Diego. You don't live "here," because "here" is the greater L.A. area.

With all due respect for your piloting experience, I find it rather disconcerting that you continue to mislead with your "I live here" claims. If you live in the San Diego area, you live about 90 miles from LAX. Those of us who live "here" live about 35 to 40 miles from LAX, the vast majority within a 25-mile or closer range. Those of us on the coast have a view of VABF launches of about 125 to 175 miles, LA County about halfway down OCounty coast to Newport Beach. People who live in San Diego have views of VAFB launches at about 215 to 265 miles.

So unless you only recently moved to SD or unless you work in LA or central OC and commute daily -- a possibility -- you don't see the air contrails above LA airspace very much at all, and your view of VAFB launches is from a substantially farther distance.

[DontTreadOnMe2009]

Wow

507 replies,

Thanks everyone for your interest ...

Hope something enlightening came out of this discussion.

[DontTreadOnMe2009]

Yes what has happened to it?

[Tolsti2]

What evidence do you have that any of the ones claimed to be normal pictures are, in fact, photoshopped? We have people on HERE saying this is a common occurance, you’re calling everyone a liar but YOU know what’s really going on right?

[Tolsti2]

Next you’ll think that people that realize it’s a plane are worse than satan.

[raygun]

Groundless disbelief of an assertion is not unreasonable as nobody is obliged to adhere to any arbitrary belief. However, depending on what is being disbelieved, disbelief may be fundamentally irrational, e.g. 20 story fall onto pavement is lethal. However, belief of an assertion MUST have grounds for such belief; the onus is not on the the disbliever to prove their disbelief, but on those making the assertion why belief is warranted. The logic (or lack therof) employed in one's inference of purported truth can then legitimately be attacked by an oppenent.

Concerning the role of reason in confirming truth Aristotle and Plato, like many philosophers throughout history, wrote:

"People use logic, deduction, and induction, to reach conclusions they think are true. Conclusions reached in this way are considered more certain than sense perceptions on their own. On the other hand, if such reasoned conclusions are only built originally upon a foundation of sense perceptions, then, the argument being considered goes, our most logical conclusions can never be said to be certain because they are built upon the very same fallible perceptions they seek to better." Properties of logical systems consist of:

• Completeness, which means that if a theorem is true, it can be proven.
• Consistency, which means that no theorem of the system contradicts another.
• Validity, which means that the system's rules of proof will never allow a false inference from true premises.
• Soundness, A logical system has the property of soundness when the logical system has the property of validity and only uses premises that prove true (or, in the case of axioms, are true by definition).

On the surface it would seem the matter comes down to refuting a dilemma in that an either or situation is at hand. Dilemas can be refuted by either grabbing the bull by the horns, or escaping between the horns. The former would entail proving either conjunct false, i.e., disprove the missile or the plane theory. Escaping between the horns as a method to refute the dilema, not so much; it requiring a sound third alternative, e.g., ortho-linear methane hydrate ejecta-bolide phenomena.

Quite frankly I disbelieve that the missile theory can be complete on a fundamental level. All arguments made in its defense have been speculative, intuitive and axiomatic assertation. At best a strong inductive form of the arguement may be plausible, however I outright disbelieve the possibility of it being cogent. The foregoing especially since the images at posts #51 & #303 are mutually exclusive with the arguments made in support of the theory. I believe this to be evidence for lack of consistancy. Therefor, the validity of the missile theory is entirely immaterial (if not outright irrelevent), and ultimately its soundness wholly moot.

[justa-hairyape]

Best guess right now is they were testing the Plane based Laser Missile Defense System. A failed test occurred just a little over 1 month prior to this event. That failed test was off the Southern California coast. Looks like they might have been testing this for at least 1 1/2 years.

Have an image of the sky over San Bernardino taken on August 22nd 2009. What first intrigued me was I saw Dark Rays in the sky. Noticed that phenomenon previously. Basically like a light ray or wide laser ray, but colored darker then the blue sky. Perhaps the remnants of a Laser beam in a frequency not visible to the human eye (for example - infrared or ultraviolet). The dark ray or dark area is just what happens to the atmosphere after the laser light passes through. Seems to expand out over time. They are difficult to see and you have to be at the right angles.

Just looked at the images again, and they have the characteristics of a weapons test. Perhaps the remnants that had blown inland after the test was conducted out over the coast. There is even a weird contrail like pattern nearby the parallel dark rays or possible laser atmospheric pattern rays. The contrail itself is no longer there, but you can see a contrail missile path through the clouds. Probably not a good idea to make it public, since this may be a classified project. In this case though they appeared to have fired the laser multiple times. Unfortunately the dark rays were not captured as dark on the image. They actually appear to be parallel lines or patterns of darker thin lines in the atmosphere.

At the very least they ought to be made aware that details of their testing may indeed persist in the atmosphere.

[DontTreadOnMe2009]

Some aerospace experts who reviewed the footage said the size of the plume hinted that it was a government operation.

“It can’t belong to anyone but the military,” said Marco Caceres, an analyst with Teal Group Corp., a Fairfax, Va.-based aerospace research firm. The appearance of such a massive rocket contrail near military bases that are known for regularly testing missiles is unlikely to be a coincidence, Caceres said.

A more likely explanation, Caceres said: It was a mistake, perhaps a defense exercise launched by accident.

The military does, after all, operate a floating ocean platform and regularly carries out tests at San Nicolas Island, one of the Channel Islands, and Point Mugu Naval Air Station is a missile defense testing site.

All branches of the Department of Defense with rocket and missile programs reported no launches, scheduled or inadvertent, a Pentagon spokesman affirmed in a statement late Tuesday.

The Pentagon has not shed much light on what happened, but one official said an examination by multiple U.S. government agencies of radar data, satellite imagery and other sophisticated monitoring technology has turned up no conclusive evidence that a missile was fired in that vicinity and at that time.

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/nov/10/local/la-me-1110-mystery-missile-20101110/2

[justa-hairyape]

Blah, blah, blah. Listen to the general on Hannity in the article. Refute him point by point. Otherwise you are just typing on a keyboard.

[Tolsti2]

“but one official said an examination by multiple U.S. government agencies of radar data, satellite imagery and other sophisticated monitoring technology has turned up no conclusive evidence that a missile was fired in that vicinity and at that time.”

Says it all, doesn’t it. Your own quote says there is no evidence of anything but a known plane in the area.

[DontTreadOnMe2009]

“Reproduce the video. Should be easy to do. No one has.”

True

But hasn’t the LA Times reported that the video has been confiscated, and that is why we cannot see it and no one can find it?

Is this correct?

Because the whole thing is certainly unavailable to see ........