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ATF position on pistol grip 'shotguns' creates new danger
Gun Rights Examiner ^ | November 14, 2010 | David Codrea

Posted on 11/18/2010 6:18:55 PM PST by optiguy

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Once again, the BATFE show their brilliance.
1 posted on 11/18/2010 6:18:59 PM PST by optiguy
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To: marktwain

Ping.


2 posted on 11/18/2010 6:19:45 PM PST by optiguy (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them.----- Ronald Reagan)
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To: optiguy

Actually it is a brilliant tactic to scare and induce law-abiding citizens into registering shotguns;the tyrants don’t try to impose all their whims UNTIL AFTER disarming the people.This is just another little step towards that goal.


3 posted on 11/18/2010 6:25:09 PM PST by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: hoosierham

WE THE PEOPLE are being cornered. I agree.


4 posted on 11/18/2010 6:26:26 PM PST by optiguy (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them.----- Ronald Reagan)
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To: optiguy

Is a flare gun a destructive device now?


5 posted on 11/18/2010 6:27:47 PM PST by smokingfrog (Because you don't live near a bakery doesn't mean you have to go without cheesecake.)
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To: optiguy
At this rate they can define a weapon any way they chose in order to regulate it out of existence.

What part of;
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

6 posted on 11/18/2010 6:28:26 PM PST by OneVike (Just a Christian waiting to go home.......)
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To: optiguy

Who the hell takes a “pistol grip” shotgun hunting? Not me. A pistol gripped shot gun is strictly for personal protection in the home.

So BATF what are you going to do? Declare my pistol Gripped Shotgun an explosive device, or some other classification?

So I can’t sell it in the current form...I’ll put the stock and foregrip back on it, and sell the pistol grips with it to the new owner.

Who in the hell do these people think that they are? Time to get these RAT bastards out of our government. March through the institutions and do an ideological purity test on all government employees. Your a limited rights, anti-gun, welfare state, believer and you’re gone.


7 posted on 11/18/2010 6:28:45 PM PST by Ouderkirk (Democrats...the party of Slavery, Segregation, Sodomy, and Sedition)
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To: optiguy

So something like this? :-)

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b63/csmwltd/mdr20.jpg


8 posted on 11/18/2010 6:28:54 PM PST by Kent C
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To: optiguy

oh well, once we’re ‘criminals’ anyways...the rest are FReebies...


9 posted on 11/18/2010 6:29:07 PM PST by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: optiguy

Isn’t the new head of the ATF a gun-grabber?

Maybe their just laying the foundation for the conservative victory in the next election cycle.

We’ve got to make sure our pro-gun union, Independent and Democrat voters know this. It’ll swing another election our way.


10 posted on 11/18/2010 6:31:13 PM PST by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: Kent C

Saiga makes a good gun...so I hear ;)


11 posted on 11/18/2010 6:35:41 PM PST by optiguy (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them.----- Ronald Reagan)
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To: optiguy

They mention a shotgun with a 17” barrel. If you go buy a Mossberg 500, for example, the shortest barrel you can put on it is 18.5”. I’ve seen plenty of these with pistol grips on them, but they don’t have 17” barrels.

Where are these 17” barreled shotguns?


12 posted on 11/18/2010 6:36:18 PM PST by Disambiguator
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To: 1010RD

He hasn’t been confirmed yet. As if that really matters these days. But yes, Freeper marktwain posted an atricle this morning about him.


13 posted on 11/18/2010 6:38:23 PM PST by optiguy (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them.----- Ronald Reagan)
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To: Disambiguator

http://www.mississippiautoarms.com/tromix-converted-saiga-12-s17-short-barrel-shotgun-p-1261.html


14 posted on 11/18/2010 6:40:36 PM PST by optiguy (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them.----- Ronald Reagan)
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To: Kent C

Wish I could have one of those in my state *drool*


15 posted on 11/18/2010 6:40:40 PM PST by catbertz
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To: optiguy

Sounds like they’re getting ready for some raids on Day Care Centers.


16 posted on 11/18/2010 6:42:55 PM PST by muawiyah (GIT OUT THE WAY ~ REPUBLICANS COMIN' THROUGH)
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To: Ouderkirk

As a gunstore owner and gunsmith I must disagree with your post. There are MANY shotguns with pistol grips that are configured for hunting. They have full length buttstocks and pistol grips. The pistol grip reduces felt recoil by distributing recoil against more surface and makes the shotgun more controllable for a second shot which is particularly helpful when turkey hunting, etc. I am old school and do not use a pistol gripped shotgun, but power to those who do.
However, when I was a younger man, and a member of an entry team, I did carry a shotgun with a pistol grip.


17 posted on 11/18/2010 6:44:33 PM PST by ExpatGator (I hate Illinois Nazis!)
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To: AdmSmith; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; bigheadfred; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; Delacon; ...

Thanks optiguy.
[T]aken at face value, a "pistol grip firearm" with a bore diameter larger than 1/2" in diameter is a "Destructive Device" under the NFA, unless the Attorney General determines that it is "a shotgun . . . generally recognized as particularly suitable for sporting purposes." By determining that a "pistol grip firearm" is not a shotgun, it is difficult to understand how current law would not classify such as firearm as a Destructive Device... [That is] Any weapon by whatever name known which will, or which may be readily converted to, expel a projectile by the action of an explosive or other propellant, the barrel or barrels of which have a bore of more than one-half inch in diameter, except a shotgun or shotgun shell which the Secretary finds is generally recognized as particularly suitable for sporting purposes." Source: 26 U.S.C, Section 5845(f).

18 posted on 11/18/2010 6:44:42 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: optiguy

That’s an NFA firearm. Those are already niche items, not something you see every day.

The article makes it sound like there are millions of these out there in private hands just begging for an ATF raid.


19 posted on 11/18/2010 6:46:10 PM PST by Disambiguator
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To: optiguy

I suppose it sounds redundant:

“Isn’t the new head of the Gun-Grabbers a gun-grabber?”


20 posted on 11/18/2010 6:51:43 PM PST by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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