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Mosque Money Shocker (Outrage; unmitigated gall)
Daily Beast ^ | November 23, 2010 | John Avalon

Posted on 11/22/2010 6:48:33 AM PST by La Lydia

Developers of the controversial Park51 Islamic community center and mosque located two blocks from Ground Zero earlier this month applied for roughly $5 million in federal grant money set aside for the redevelopment of lower Manhattan after the attacks of September 11th, according to two sources with direct knowledge of the matter. The audacious move stands to reignite the embers of a divisive debate that dominated headlines surrounding the ninth anniversary of the attacks this fall, say people vested in the issue.

The application was submitted under a “community and cultural enhancement” grant program administered by the Lower Manhattan Redevelopment Corporation (LMDC), which oversaw the $20 billion in federal aid allocated in the wake of 9/11 and is currently doling out millions in remaining taxpayer funds for community development. The redevelopment board declined to comment on the application (as did officials from Park51), citing the still ongoing and confidential process of determining the grant winners.

While news of the application has not previously been made public, developer Sharif El-Gamal outlined it in closed-door meetings, according to two individuals he spoke with directly. The thirtysomething, Brooklyn-born El-Gamal is motivated more by real estate ambition—one of these sources describes him as aspiring to be the next Donald Trump—than Islamic theology or ideology...

According to an individual familiar with the Park51 application, it requests funds to cover a number of cultural, educational and community development aspects of the proposed 13-story building—but the prayer room is excluded from the grant application.

But the question on whether they could have is trumped by the question of whether they should have. The stated aim of the Park51 developers is to provide a community center for lower Manhattan’s 4,000 Muslim residents. Their own website explained that they understood the need to “appeal to the undecided, and change the conversation about Muslims in America.” It’s pretty clear that this play for federal dollars will generate none of that, starting with the lack of disclosure or community consultation before developers submitted their application, which was due November 5th....


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These people just don't know when to back off.
1 posted on 11/22/2010 6:48:40 AM PST by La Lydia
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To: La Lydia

They have no reason to. They are cultural imperialists and are receiving no significant pushback.


2 posted on 11/22/2010 6:51:11 AM PST by 17th Miss Regt
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To: La Lydia

“These people just don’t know when to back off”.

...they don’t need to. The more they press forward, the more we allow. There’s no stopping them. If a mosque can be built, with the help of taxpayer money, at ground zero for God’s sakes, where’s the limit?


4 posted on 11/22/2010 6:52:44 AM PST by albie
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To: La Lydia

Wonder if this is connected to the Presidential Order that Obama just signed in regard to funding Religious groups.


5 posted on 11/22/2010 6:53:50 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: La Lydia
Developers of the controversial Park51 Islamic community center and mosque located two blocks from Ground Zero earlier this month applied for roughly $5 million in federal grant money set aside for the redevelopment of lower Manhattan after the attacks of September 11th, according to two sources with direct knowledge of the matter.

The ACLU is silent.

6 posted on 11/22/2010 6:54:23 AM PST by a fool in paradise (The establishment clause isn't just against my OWN government establishing state religion in America)
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To: La Lydia
The Muslims figure it's the price the conquered pay to the conquered. A 1st installment of “taqiyya.” If Americans allow it, they deserve it!
7 posted on 11/22/2010 6:57:07 AM PST by drpix
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To: Sacajaweau

No, it isn’t.


8 posted on 11/22/2010 7:02:41 AM PST by La Lydia
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To: La Lydia

They’re doing this while one of their own occupies the White Hut.


9 posted on 11/22/2010 7:03:39 AM PST by YankeeReb
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To: La Lydia

They flew occupied planes into occupied buildings, then became America’s #1 victim group, then they had the gall to try to build an indoctrination center near where they brought down the buildings, and now they want to do it with OUR money!


10 posted on 11/22/2010 7:03:49 AM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (Annoying liberals is my goal. I will not be silenced.)
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To: La Lydia

Sad thing is some schmuck in govt. will approve this b.s.


11 posted on 11/22/2010 7:05:14 AM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) The more I see and know Obammy the more I think he's an a-hole.)
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To: La Lydia
"Confidential process" when taxpayer dollars are involved?

That should be.

HF

12 posted on 11/22/2010 7:06:05 AM PST by holden
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To: La Lydia

If the infidels are dumb enough to pay for their enemy’s monuments, then ...

(And plenty of PC, multicultural infidels are that dumb and dumber.)


13 posted on 11/22/2010 7:10:46 AM PST by Will88
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To: La Lydia

Park51 should look into using recycled material from the fallen towers to build their “community center”. I think it’s neatly sorted on Staten Island and ready for “repurposing”.


14 posted on 11/22/2010 7:10:58 AM PST by Oratam
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To: Joe Boucher

or some muslim schmuck(s), in government

or the white house itself

How is America going to achieve anything in the mideast to America and the worlds benefit while a muslim sits in the White House empowering islam?

Aint going to happen. We are just being financially and philosophically bled.


15 posted on 11/22/2010 7:15:11 AM PST by himno hero
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To: La Lydia

Wow, Muslims destroy the World Trade Center and then use our own money to build a Mosque in honor of the destruction. Unbelievable!!!!


16 posted on 11/22/2010 7:20:49 AM PST by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN

Someone should sue them. Maybe that little Greek orthodox church that hasn’t been allowed to rebuild. May any one of millions of people who paid taxes into this fund.


17 posted on 11/22/2010 7:22:38 AM PST by La Lydia
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To: thethirddegree
It is a barbaric, gutter religion for a barbaric, gutter people.

It is not a religion, it is a socio-economic construct. It has one goal, to displace everything it is not. By design islam is treason to the US Constitution. Thus, it deserves no protection as a religion under the law, no special favors under the law and certainly no tax exempt status.

18 posted on 11/22/2010 7:26:35 AM PST by isthisnickcool (Sharia? No thanks.)
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To: La Lydia

The secular elites in this NY parastate insist on NOT having St Nick’s rebuild.

http://www.goarch.org/special/september11/stnicholaschurch/stnicholas


19 posted on 11/22/2010 7:28:09 AM PST by eleni121 (http://www.serfes.org/orthodox/memoryof.htm Father Daniil Sysoyev lives!)
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To: Sacajaweau

>>Wonder if this is connected to the Presidential Order that Obama just signed in regard to funding Religious groups.<<

See #10

Jeff Foxworthy on Muslims

IF.....

1. You refine heroin for a living, but you have a moral objection to liquor.
You may be a Muslim

2. You own a $3,000 machine gun and $5,000 rocket launcher, but you can’t afford shoes.
You may be a Muslim

3. You have more wives than teeth.
You may be a Muslim

4. You wipe your butt with your bare hand, but consider bacon unclean.
You may be a Muslim

5. You think vests come in two styles: bullet-proof and suicide.
You may be a Muslim

6. You can’t think of anyone you haven’t declared Jihad against.
You may be a Muslim

7. You consider television dangerous, but routinely carry explosives in your clothing.
You may be a Muslim

8. You were amazed to discover that cell phones have uses other than setting off roadside bombs.
You may be a Muslim

9. You have nothing against women and think every man should own at least four.
You may be a Muslim

10.Your cousin is president of the United States .
You may be a Muslim


20 posted on 11/22/2010 7:35:25 AM PST by B4Ranch (Conflict is inevitable; Combat is an option. Train for the fight.)
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To: La Lydia
The American people must be told that they are paying for building this mosque, a 150 million dollars facility. Bottom line this can not be allowed to stand.

300 people innocent people died, I refuse to have my tax money spent on a mosque. Screw Hussein!

21 posted on 11/22/2010 7:36:29 AM PST by STD (He walks like a he duck, he talks like a duck, yo' mama married two of the duckers, U a duck Boy!)
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To: 17th Miss Regt

What is interesting is if you read about the history of Islam in non Islamic countries, is that they use the rationale of being given funds from the country to build, as a reason to view the country as an Islamic stronghold.


22 posted on 11/22/2010 7:38:35 AM PST by Chickensoup (In the Leftist protected species hierarchy, Islamics trump Homosexuals trump Women trump Blacks)
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To: STD

Sorry, 3000 innocent people died, I refuse to have my tax money spent on a mosque. Screw Hussein! Let me say this again, screw you Hussein!


23 posted on 11/22/2010 7:43:54 AM PST by STD (He walks like a he duck, he talks like a duck, yo' mama married two of the duckers, U a duck Boy!)
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To: Will88
If the infidels are dumb enough to pay for their enemy’s monuments, then ...

Can you say, "Crescent of Embrace"?

We already did commit taxpayer funds for an Islamic shrine, for the Flight 93 memorial.

24 posted on 11/22/2010 7:45:17 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The RINOcrat Party is still in charge. There has never been a conservative American government.)
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To: STD

They don’t have the money yet. The redevelopment corporation needs some heat.


25 posted on 11/22/2010 7:48:52 AM PST by La Lydia
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To: 17th Miss Regt

Exactly! Why not give it right down the throat of the infidels. I hope they get it so that America is again smacked right across the face, in an attempt to wake this country up and yet again, expose the demo-liberals for who they really are.


26 posted on 11/22/2010 8:20:41 AM PST by SgtHooper
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To: La Lydia

Lets raise hell with the politicians in DC, especially the new ones, and remind them of the seperation of church and state. It is time to take the gloves off with these raghead sons of bitches.


27 posted on 11/22/2010 8:46:36 AM PST by Americanexpat
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To: STD

Understand, I do that too. ;>)


28 posted on 11/22/2010 8:50:41 AM PST by Americanexpat
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To: 17th Miss Regt
They are cultural imperialists and are receiving no significant pushback.

Indeed. Even more so, the mayor of NYC and the President of the United States have gone out of their way to facilitate the building of the Ground Zero Victory Mosque.

29 posted on 11/22/2010 8:57:42 AM PST by Alas Babylon! (Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must-like men-undergo the fatigue of supporting it)
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To: 17th Miss Regt
They are cultural imperialists and are receiving no significant pushback.

Indeed. Even more so, the mayor of NYC and the President of the United States have gone out of their way to facilitate the building of the Ground Zero Victory Mosque.

30 posted on 11/22/2010 8:57:51 AM PST by Alas Babylon! (Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must-like men-undergo the fatigue of supporting it)
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To: thethirddegree

Get a grip and stop posting bait for Bill O’Reilly.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2627899/posts?page=21#21


31 posted on 11/22/2010 9:32:38 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (Anyone who says we need illegals to do the jobs Americans won't do has never watched "Dirty Jobs.")
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To: La Lydia

Why should this surprise anyone? The man who is building the mosque is a slum landlord in NJ, with multiple high rise tenements that he build with government grants. That’s how the man operates. His wife explained that he must use government money because he makes no money as an Muslim imam. Profiteering off the the tax payers is his only means of support.


32 posted on 11/22/2010 10:00:54 AM PST by Eva
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To: Americanexpat

Obi Wanna a new President


33 posted on 11/22/2010 10:10:08 AM PST by STD (He walks like a he duck, he talks like a duck, yo' mama married two of the duckers, U a duck Boy!)
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To: Mr. Silverback

Oh yes, It would be terrible for we infidels of the west to be responsible
for bad PR for the death cult that took the lives of so many fellow Americans
that clear Tuesday morning.

The equivocating Bill O'Reilly can kiss my ass and call it a love story.

9/11/01 ~ Never Forget!

34 posted on 11/22/2010 10:10:17 AM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: La Lydia

How do we bring the heat on those mfuppers!


35 posted on 11/22/2010 10:15:59 AM PST by STD (He walks like a he duck, he talks like a duck, yo' mama married two of the duckers, U a duck Boy!)
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To: Liberty Valance

Give me a break.

A guy calls for genocide and you call that a case of bad PR?

I didn’t say we should all join hands and sing Kumbaya with the Muslims, I told a guy calling for genocide in the language Farrakhan uses about Jews to cram it.If you have a problem with that, you can cram it, too.

You can say Ted Baxter can kiss your butt, however, Ted Baxter slandered this site on one of themost watched TV shows on the planet based on “racist” comments taken out of context. Imagine what he can do with the real stuff.

Hand your enemy a weapon and pretend it makes you tough and principled. I prefer winning, thanks.


36 posted on 11/22/2010 10:39:17 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (Anyone who says we need illegals to do the jobs Americans won't do has never watched "Dirty Jobs.")
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To: La Lydia
I thought there was something in the Koran / sharia where non-Muslims are to pay a tax to Muslims.
37 posted on 11/22/2010 10:54:42 AM PST by opentalk
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To: La Lydia

Michael Bloombergs office phone numbers etc, Go get them FReepers


38 posted on 11/22/2010 11:02:25 AM PST by STD (He walks like a he duck, he talks like a duck, yo' mama married two of the duckers, U a duck Boy!)
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To: Mr. Silverback

Just more equivocation.


39 posted on 11/22/2010 11:10:06 AM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: Liberty Valance

Equivocate: to use ambiguous or unclear expressions, usually to avoid commitment or in order to mislead; prevaricate or hedge

I invite readers to look at either of my previous posts in this thread, either the one where I told thethirddegree to cram it or the one where I told Liberty Valance to cram it, and identify where I was ambiguous or unclear about my commitment.

I wasn’t.

I was clear.

I’ll be clear again: Take your calls for genocide and cram them into your sigmoid colon.

I trust there’s no ambiguity there.


40 posted on 11/22/2010 11:36:59 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (Anyone who says we need illegals to do the jobs Americans won't do has never watched "Dirty Jobs.")
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To: La Lydia

You know, if I was getting all kinds of favoritism and special treatment from the government, I’d be laughing and smiling and flipping everyone the bird too.

What do you expect? The Ground Zero Mosquers are getting all kinds special treatment from the people in the positions that matter.

They’ll probably be given the money - and some liberal hookworm will begin to lecture us about how Islamophobic we are.

What happened to this country?

What happened to this country?

We can’t even beat these guys in our courts - how do we expect to beat them anywhere else?


41 posted on 11/22/2010 11:47:36 AM PST by Tzimisce (No thanks. We have enough government already. - The Tick)
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To: Mr. Silverback

Hey, at least you made a stand. As for me and mine, we stand against the death cult known as islam. No apologies here.


42 posted on 11/22/2010 11:56:30 AM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: Liberty Valance

I stand against Islam, too because it does promote evil and death. But I do so because I follow the Lord who told me to be “as shrewd as a snake and as innocent as a dove.” Proclaiming genocide doesn’t fit those operational orders.


43 posted on 11/22/2010 12:39:23 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (Anyone who says we need illegals to do the jobs Americans won't do has never watched "Dirty Jobs.")
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To: Mr. Silverback

We agree. ;o)


44 posted on 11/22/2010 1:06:38 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: Liberty Valance

Good deal. :-)


45 posted on 11/22/2010 1:14:21 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (Anyone who says we need illegals to do the jobs Americans won't do has never watched "Dirty Jobs.")
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To: AdmSmith; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; bigheadfred; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; Delacon; ...

thanks La Lydia.

additional:

Ground Zero mosque developers apply for federal grant: report
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2631368/posts


46 posted on 11/22/2010 8:01:00 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: SunkenCiv
A monument to our submission and Muslim Brotherhood Mosque paid for by the American people. ARE YOU F!@#%^NG KIDDING ME!

I'm not calling for a 100,000 strong lynch mob armed with bats and pork chops. I'm really not. But this really can't stand.

47 posted on 11/22/2010 8:39:07 PM PST by rmlew (You want change? Vote for the most conservative electable in your state or district.)
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To: La Lydia

You will never hear the term “wall of separation” in the media about this. Imagine if a pastor or priest wanted $20 million of public money to build a church. The ACLU would be all over them so fast your head would spin.


48 posted on 11/22/2010 8:45:35 PM PST by denydenydeny (Power always thinks it has a great soul and vast views, beyond the comprehension of the weak-Adams)
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