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Will ObamaCare Collapse?
Frontpagemagazine ^ | Nov 24th, 2010 | Tait Trussell

Posted on 11/24/2010 5:17:14 AM PST by SJackson

Large employers who spend $80 billion a year to insure millions of employees and their families say ObamaCare is headed for “collapse.” Human resource executives see the law as pushing employers to drop health coverage. A 28-page analysis by the Association of Chief Human Resource Officers (ACHRO) finds a majority believe the law must be repealed or overhauled.

ObamaCare requires employers to offer health insurance to their employees. If they don’t, they would have to pay a penalty beginning in 2014. But when McDonald’s and some other employers warned it would be too expensive to ensure their large ranks of employees, the Secretary of Health and Human Services (HHS) issued waivers, taking dozens of companies off the hook, The New York Times and other publications reported. Preferential treatment for some companies is sure to cause resentment.

The ACHRO report said its members believe “with each passing year” ObamaCare “will encourage more employers to drop employer provided care and prompt their employees to seek coverage through exchanges” to be set up in every state to sell insurance. The exchanges supposedly would allow individuals to shop to see if they are eligible for government subsidies to help pay for the health care. But Republicans may block the establishment of exchanges, according to a Nov. 10 story in Vital Signs.

When ObamaCare was being carelessly knitted together in Congress last spring, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) projected that about 3 million people, a relatively small slice, would lose their employer-sponsored health plans as a result of the legislation. It now is clear that was a gross underestimation. Employers may well “find it more profitable to eliminate health benefits altogether,” said an Oct. 29 WSWS.org story.

Large employers “want their employees and retirees to have access to affordable, high-quality health care. However, on the whole, large employers believe PPACA (the initials for what is falsely named the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act) broadens access while failing to make any meaningful change in the way health care is delivered,” OCHRO declared.

Many employers see “the system created by the law eventually collapsing, an event which will force Congress to draft the next version of health care reform.” As the human resources executive’s association notes, “The vast majority of Americans receive health insurance through the employer-based system,” a system that has worked well until the bureaucrats muddied the water.

Paul Keckley, executive director of the Deloitte Center for Health Solutions, was quoted as saying, “I don’t think you are going to hear anybody publicly say, ‘We’ve made a decision to drop insurance.’ What we are hearing at our meetings is, ‘We don’t want to be the first one to drop benefits, but we would be the fast second.’ We are hearing that a lot.”

Republicans in Congress are leaning on at-risk or moderate Democrats to help them strip out “the bad parts of ObamaCare,” according to a Nov. 12 story in Newser.

The analysis by the human resource executives uncovered almost unbelievable regulatory duplication, confusion, and infinitely needless paperwork sufficient to drive those forced to comply to tear out their hair in frustration. Union favoritism and pickiness as to the number of pages and print font size required for documents provided to employees, unmasked the politics and nonsense embodied in the law’s rules.

The law encourages employers “who offer very generous benefits to discontinue offering those benefits.” Businesses are concerned about the 40 percent excise tax on so-called Cadillac Plans for any health benefit in excess of $10,200 for individuals and $27,500 for family coverage—except for union plans. The $10,200 threshold does not exist for unions and the 40 percent excise tax is triggered only if coverge exceeds $27,500. “There is simply no legitimate policy reason for the distinction,” according to the association’s analysis. (Other than the fact that union money backs the Obama people).

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Not only Health and Human Service is replete with regulatory mandates, but apparently much of the federal government is getting into the act. The Labor and Treasury Departments have issued guidance with “very specific requirements that would “create significant administrative burdens…costly and difficult to implement” making it harder for “employers to offer efficient, effective, and affordable health care coverage to employees, their dependents, and retirees.”

ObamaCare also “requires all health plans to phase out annual dollar limits on essential benefits by 2014 and on lifetime dollar limits on essential benefits that may have taken effect by September 23, 2010. But the Feds have not defined “essential benefits.” Careless confusion reigns.

Employers must extend dependent coverage to children up to age 26 (a benefit much-touted by the Democrats). But it is little known that this mandate applies even if the adult child has “access to other employer-based coverage,” the analysis pointed out.

The highly praised wellness programs in the law are pleasing to the Association. But its analysis points out that final regulations prohibit employers from offering any benefit to individuals for participating in wellness programs that ask about family medical history—“something that is a critical element of any wellness program. So, regulations are “hampering employer efforts to use and expand these programs.”

The law creates utter confusion as to who is a full-time employee and a part-time employee. Employers are “very concerned” that regulations being considered by the IRS and Labor Department “may inappropriately categorize many part-time employees as full-time workers.” This would mean having to cover them with insurance even if they only worked, say, 10 hours a week most of the year, but long hours during a holiday. And maybe even their dependents and retirees.

Just to satisfy their insatiable hunger for more rules, the health law also “requires employers providing ‘minimum essential coverage’ to any individual to file IRS returns certifying the name and identification of covered individuals, dates of coverage during the calendar year, whether the coverage is through a qualified plan offered through an exchange, the amount of any advance cost-sharing or premium tax credit received by the individual, the identity of the employer maintaining the plan, and the portion of the premium paid by the employer.”

The reporting employer must then send a written statement to each individual who was included on the return, providing each individual with the information which was reported to the IRS. Much of the same information must also be reported to the relevant exchange by the offering employers.

The analysis sums it up best: “With each new administrative burden, each new direct and indirect tax, each new mandate, and with each piece of added complexity, employers are nudged in the direction of dropping coverage altogether.” No wonder collapse is inevitable.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
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1 posted on 11/24/2010 5:17:15 AM PST by SJackson
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To: SJackson

It is designed to collapse. Then single payer totalitarian medicine rationed by the Federal Government. How obvious could it be?


2 posted on 11/24/2010 5:20:41 AM PST by screaminsunshine (Americanism vs Communism)
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To: SJackson

It will simply be repealed....although I don’t think that will happen before 2012. Hopefully, I could be wrong about that and, due to a Supreme Court decision, the whole bill will fall.


3 posted on 11/24/2010 5:21:51 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: SJackson

Earlier this month, Obama was at 111 ‘waivers’, and counting...


4 posted on 11/24/2010 5:23:23 AM PST by WayneS (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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To: SJackson

Will the people vote out the Obamanation or will do the foolish now outnumber conservatives in America.
2012 is the test and may well be the last chance for America to survive the communist coup the DC democrats have started.


5 posted on 11/24/2010 5:24:23 AM PST by kindred (Come, Lord Jesus, rule and reign over all thine enemies from Zion, the chosen nation.)
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To: SJackson

It might collapse what’s left of the economy.


6 posted on 11/24/2010 5:24:23 AM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: SJackson

I don’t know that the current system has “worked well” for employers. When your profits are growing at single digits (or not at all), it is unacceptable for health care costs to be several times the rate of inflation. The fact is that health care is sucking the life out of the Economy. Obamacare made it worse by expanding mandates and cutting fees to providers.

We are headed a system where everyone has excellent health care (on paper), but can’t get any under the official “rules”. Only those who pay under the table will actually be treated.


7 posted on 11/24/2010 5:26:29 AM PST by rbg81 (When you see Obama, shout: "DO YOUR JOB!!")
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To: SJackson
This is a race. If enough employers drop coverage in the very near future, then repealing Obamacare will be unpalatable, since it will leave people with nothing. On the other hand, if Obamacare is repealed quickly enough, a relatively small number of employers will finalize their plans to drop employee coverage.

We need to seek a completely privatized solution -- don't get your health coverage from the government, and don't get it from your employer either. Make it like auto insurance. Let Geico handle it.

8 posted on 11/24/2010 5:26:31 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: SJackson

Atlas is just about to shrug. The government should get out of health care. All of the insurance industry and “benefits” came from a government cap in salaries. Now it’s a monster. Every penny spent administering the various plans is a “cost of health care” but not one of those pennies relates to actually providing health care.


9 posted on 11/24/2010 5:27:05 AM PST by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: screaminsunshine
It is designed to collapse. Then single payer totalitarian medicine rationed by the Federal Government. How obvious could it be?

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10 posted on 11/24/2010 5:27:21 AM PST by snowrip (Liberal? You are a socialist idiot with no rational argument.)
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To: SJackson

Yes, it will go down in flames like a 4 engine Jumbo jet trying to take off with one engine and having a engine failure.

Someone with good photoshop/Gimp skills a pic is in order.


11 posted on 11/24/2010 5:27:26 AM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
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To: WayneS

111 ‘waivers’ which ‘Exempted’ companies from applying “Obamacare” to more than 1.175 million individuals.

It seems to me that some carefully articulated, 14th Amendment-based, “equal protection under the law” law-suits could pretty quickly ‘exempt’ the rest of us.


12 posted on 11/24/2010 5:27:30 AM PST by WayneS (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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To: SJackson
Preferential treatment for some companies is sure to cause resentment.

Not to mention the idea of being un-Constitutional.

13 posted on 11/24/2010 5:28:32 AM PST by raybbr (Someone who invades another country is NOT an immigrant - illegal or otherwise.)
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To: snowrip

Like many others, I have been making that same argument since the beginning of this debacle. Obama and his leftist buddies NEVER intended this to work. That is one of the reasons why there was no need for anyone to read the bill before they voted to pass it.


14 posted on 11/24/2010 5:29:48 AM PST by WayneS (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Let Geico handle it.

Government Employees' Insurance Co.?

Not just a lizard on your desk...

15 posted on 11/24/2010 5:30:32 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: SJackson
Will ObamaCare Collapse?

Yes, of course.

It is transparently Leninist (the worse, the better). Its entire design is to "heighten the contradictions" and thereby destroy the health care system, allowing communism to emerge from the rubble. It is pure dialectical materialism.

Sheesh! Doesn't anybody STUDY Lenin anymore?

16 posted on 11/24/2010 5:30:43 AM PST by Jim Noble (It's the tyranny, stupid!)
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To: screaminsunshine

I currently have excellent health insurance through my employer. I’m sure it costs a fortune. Between the cost of providing the coverage and the cost of complying with all these new and intrusive government regulations, I couldn’t blame the company for dropping coverage altogether. This scares the crap out of me because I am 50 years old with a husband who has diabetes and I know I could NEVER afford to buy insurance on the open market. Affordable my ass.


17 posted on 11/24/2010 5:31:54 AM PST by Trust but Verify (Let's party like it's 1773!)
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To: WayneS

I think the waivers are for just ONE year.


18 posted on 11/24/2010 5:33:46 AM PST by CMailBag
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To: SJackson

It has the touch of Odumbo - whatever he touches generally does fail. What do expect from the most incompetant pissant in the world? Midas has the golden Touch! Odumbo has the touch of Lead


19 posted on 11/24/2010 5:33:55 AM PST by hondact200 ( Obama is Nuckin Futs!!! Obama has the Lead Touch unlike the Midas Touch of Gold)
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To: SJackson

IMHO...the investment banks basically looted Medicare and stole the American health care system to pay for their bad bets. And Congress aided and abetted them-in every way.

There is not a single good reason We the People face the present economic circumstances. It can be summed up as the consequence of professional malpractice, by bankers and brokers, complicated by political and legislative professional malpractice in Congress. This whole situation clearly disabuses the need for a “professional” political class.


20 posted on 11/24/2010 5:36:04 AM PST by mo
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