they both have two eyes, two ears, a mouth and a nose and that's about all they have in common IMO
Posted on 11/26/2010 6:35:28 PM PST by Velveeta
Jeeze ..wow .. that’s totally new to me.
What the ... ?? Strains all credulity,
sanity and hope, really .. this massive,
purposeful, diabolical maze. What will it
take ? Lord, save us.
OK .. Stanley’s ears still stand out as
a genetic feature to me. Who spawned him,
abandoned or placed him in the hands of
puppetmasters for their plan ? His path
has been directed all the way.
they both have two eyes, two ears, a mouth and a nose and that's about all they have in common IMO
Isn't it just! They really don't care...if we notice it or not. Dan Rather would be embarrassed...
You're kidding
Obama said he would not discuss matters related to Barack Obama or his relationship with him. He would only say that the American president wants to improve living and economic conditions in the world, and wants peace and stability in all regions......through the annihilation of Israel, destruction of all secular governments, and establishment of the world caliphate. Thanks STARWISE.
One other key fact that bears on that question--David, the chart depicts born to Ruth; has a middle name that says he is the oldest of twins. Who was his twin brother? The pictures that are identified as David look very much like the picture identified as Zero being held by Stanley Ann. (I am not much on pictures as identification evidence but the resemblance is pretty clear--at least clear enough to raise doubt.)
One of the things that Fred's research has done here is raise some real doubt about the questions you pose.
I remain relatively comfortable I could convince a court on the current record that a woman who told the hospital her name was Stanley Ann Dunham Obama, had at least one child at the Coast Provincial General Hospital in Mombasa on August 4,1961 and named the child Barack Obama Junior (II), having told the hospital on the initial birth filing that his father was Barack Senior.
In the dim recesses of my memory, I have the vague recollection of some inconsistency in some of the birth documents about time of birth--either the strip of paper which came from the Hawaii birth document file or some other document which was of doubtful provinence but which as I recall shows (not clearly) the name of the woman doctor from the British Colonial Service who actually delivered the child. I don't see anything on any of the birth documents that are complete that excludes the possibility of a multiple birth; neither do I see anything that implies that is what occurred.
From a legal point of view, a birth certificate, even long before the Xerox/Battell photo process, was photo reproduced with the footprint on it--so that for identification purposes, you could ultimately take the person's shoe off; do a print; and figure out if you had the real thing.
And I further believe both of the two "live" birth documents--the Smith certificate and the court photocopy Orly has; show footprints.
At present, I think there is real reason to doubt the father of the person we know as Zero was really Senior. Further, there isn't any real evidence that the woman who dropped the August 4, 1961 kid was Stanley Ann nor for that matter is there any real evidence that the kid was Junior.
One of the real difficulties in getting to court on the current record is that you are exposed to being able to convince the Judge you have a clean paper record, supported by significant ancillary evidence (public statements by Zero; public statements of state officials in Kenya; etc.); show this stuff authenticated as evidence; and then have Zero show up; take off his shoe and print his foot; and have Baer produce a print expert from FBI who looks at the print and say he isn't the baby born under that name under your certificates.
I think if you got to a legal issue before a Court with jurisdiction; and had a finding together before Zero got his lawyer Baer into court, zero has a lot of trouble claiming he isn't Barack Obama Junior--and you might get him in a legal position where he needs to turn up with a birth certificate showing who he really is and where he was really born.
But underlying the resistance of the media (including our media--FOX; the radio talk show hosts; etc.) to any inquiry about this issue is some factual record that is not yet public. What it is and what it shows is at least part of the ultimate question.
I believe it is conclusive, the U of Washington and Corsi to the contrary notwithstanding, that the first hard evidence of Stanley Ann being at Washington in the fall of 1961 is on September 19, not August 19 which would open a reasonable gap between the birth date and the appearance date.
I also think it is reasonable to suspect that if there was a marriage on the the rest of the record we have before us, it occurred in Kenya where it would not have constituted bigamy nor have otherwise been socially unacceptable.
I think the material about MX and the rest of the New York story is pure speculation until someone comes up with some single piece of evidence to connect it to Zero.
Precisely .. nor will he discuss the huge
benefits and power he and his family personally
and his country have received and will continue
to receive under the guise of USAID, various US/
Saudi, NGO assistance, grants and infusions of
billions, takeover of petrol resources, etc. etc.
etc., from his powerful relative and evil commie
cronies.
“One other key fact that bears on that question—David, the chart depicts born to Ruth; has a middle name that says he is the oldest of twins. Who was his twin brother?”
His brother is Mark Okoth Obama Ndesandjo, he took his stepfather’s last name.
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I don’t think David and Mark were twins.
I humbly disagree, Fred Nerks - you know a lot (putting it mildly) more than I do about this whole steaming mess, but I do see family resemblance.
IMO (as worthless as it may indeed be), SADO is the mother. Father, ?
I think that you are definitely correct in that thinking. I have never seen any reference to Mark being David's twin.
Check out David's comments - # 67 and # 68.
[Thanks, David.]
I really enjoy these threads, they're the only way I can keep up and am always amazed at the research abilities of FReepers...amazing!
He was in Indonesia until 1970 or 1971, depending on what article you read.
He was also shown in a dated photograph with a classmate named Scott Inoue in Hawaii in 1969.
That gave rise to the tongue in cheek statement 'there must have been two of them!'
And then it was discovered that Opiyo in swahili means 'first born of twins' -
And no one can find where and when 'David' actually was born or when he died...the fact that zero resembles 'David' gave rise to the legend.
Helped along of course, by 'Dreams' in which zero describes an incident in the streets of Nairobi, where someone mistakes him for 'David' - because he looks so much like him.
And that's all there is to it. Mark maintains he is YOUNGER than zero...but the child who resembles the little 'Zero', is YOUNGER than Mark...by perhaps one year.
And little zero/David doesn't look as if he could have had the same parents!
So someone is lying, but that's nothing new.
the image is from Mark's own website, he has identified the two litle boys as himself and 'David'
PS. One very good reason for Mark to insist he is younger than his 'half-brother' obama just might be - he may have been born on the mainland US before his father showed up in Hawaii in June, 1959. Now wouldn't THAT make in interesting story? The 'old man' had plenty of time, remember? He hadn't been back to Kenya FOR SEVEN YEARS!
Fred, regarding the other thread with Scott...
I am now perplexed because I don’t doubt Scott (and I have asked, he is as clueless as us... only knows his own school history and when Obama was there or not there), but what is the deal on when exactly Obama was in Indonesia? From what I understand (if I understand Scott correctly) is that he was in a public school (I gave the name on the other thread/post) in Kindergarten and then was in a private school for a few months in the third grade.
I will try to research a little on this too.
The lies have bred a planetary system of metasticizing lies.
“PS. One very good reason for Mark to insist he is younger than his ‘half-brother’ obama just might be - he may have been born on the mainland US before his father showed up in Hawaii in June, 1959. Now wouldn’t THAT make in interesting story? The ‘old man’ had plenty of time, remember? He hadn’t been back to Kenya FOR SEVEN YEARS!”
That WOULD be very interesting .. absolutely. He was a womanizer and drinker, so who knows how many little Barak’s there are running around out there?
Stories I’ve read about David have him dying in a motorcycle accident in Africa. Who knows. Who is supposedly whom in that pic ? They don’t look the
same age to me.
I recognize that as Fred's chart shows, David and Mark are purported to be brothers out of Ruth.
And like Jeremiah, I too don't think David and Mark were twins--at least, we haven't seen any places where we have images of the two of them at the same time appearing to be the same age. We do have a picture which purports to be David and Mark showing two infants who appear to be of different ages.
But, none of that is conclusive. You could well have had fraternal twins where one had lighter skin and features from the mother; the older had darker skin and features from the father. Or for that matter features from some other ancestor; or appearing to be like some other relative. One fraternal twin might be much bigger than the other. Happens all the time.
Off the cuff, I don't think the picture which is identified as Mark, and David is necessarily Mark and David. As of yet, we don't really have any evidence who it is.
Fred in #76 fills in some details. I respectfully differ with Fred on the proposition that the conflicting location dates is the first time the twin issue came up.
The first time it came up was in connection with a conflict in birth time among Barack (in oral statements); the Hawaii purported COLB; and an early posted image of one of the original birth documents which appears to be a second document in the Hawaii birth file; and the later appearing purported birth certificates.
The fraudulent purported Hawaii COLB was prepared for the purpose of making people believe it was the real thing. Some effort was made to make it comport with known facts as best the individuals creating it could do so. The time on the document would have been considered as to reasonableness.
At that time, it was suggested by someone that the difference might suggest a multiple birth--nothing in any of the documents precludes the possibility.
And after it was learned that David has a middle name indicating that he is the older of twins, Fred also looked at pictures of the two babies who appear to look very similar to each other and noted that although you don't have a simultaneous side by side, the teeth clearly are different. The age is close enough that you would need to see a bunch of teeth being replaced with adult teeth in a very short time in order to see the straight teeth being replacements for baby teeth.
There is also an ear appearance issue between the two pictures--both babies have protruding ears. But the left ear on one has a slightly larger lobe. Also, on one, the ears do not protrude quite so far--they are close; but depending on the angle viewed, there appears to be a difference.
And then, Fred also picks up on the clear conflict resulting from the date of two of the pictures--the picture and school attendance dates are clearly fixed by reliable paper records; the record requires Zero to have been in two places at the same time. Not very likely.
Given the effort that has been undertaken to obscure the birth dates of Mark, David and perhaps Zero; as well as other information about their birth location and actual parentage, it is reasonable to suggest that one of the reasons why this was done is that David and Zero were twins. One was killed in some event that no one wants to clearly identify as to date or occurrence.
It should be noted that the references to Zero in documents which may have originated with Senior identify him as II, not Jr. Which would probably be the usual practice in other parts of the world.
I also don't think (Fred might correct me) that there is anything in the record which has Mark or anyone else identifying which of the two babies is Mark and which is David. In the places where we have the two unlike babies imaged together, we are simply told it is David and Mark. Which is which? How are we supposed to know?
The above from man who refuses to divulge his own age?
We have no way of knowing WHERE OR WHEN the image below was taken:
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