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Atheistsí ad blitz calls Christmas a myth
northjersey.com ^ | 11.26.10 | stephanie akin

Posted on 11/27/2010 9:05:56 PM PST by Coleus

Drivers approaching the Lincoln Tunnel this holiday season will be the targets of an atheist advertisement that its sponsors describe as a strike against Christmas. A billboard sponsored by the American Atheists and posted in North Bergen, on the New Jersey side of the Lincoln Tunnel, reads: 'You KNOW it's a Myth. This season, celebrate REASON.' A billboard scheduled to be displayed near the New Jersey entrance to the tunnel until the end of the holidays shows a silhouetted manger scene with the message, “You KNOW it’s a Myth. This Season, Celebrate REASON.”

The $20,000 campaign, sponsored by a national organization called American Atheists, is timed to preempt annual accusations that liberal groups are waging war on Christmas by asking church adherents to question their holiday traditions, American Atheists President David Silverman said.  “If the religious right wants a war on Christmas, this is what they’re going to get,” he said. “If they want a war on Christmas, we’re going to make sure they know what one looks like.”  The campaign is one of several atheist media blitzes scheduled this holiday season.  It joins a $200,000 national television, newspaper and magazine advertising campaign sponsored by the American Humanist Association and the Stiefel Freethought Foundation meant to challenge biblical morality and fundamentalist Christianity.

Those ads juxtapose passages from religious texts selected because they appear to advocate for “fear, hatred and intolerance,” with quotations from humanist scholars that promote “love, equality, peace, freedom and reason,” according to a press release.  The American Humanist Association sponsored a 48-foot sign erected on the New Jersey Turnpike in 2008 that read, “Don’t Believe in God? You are not alone.”  The campaigns come on the heels of studies reporting that rising numbers of Americans identify themselves as non-religious — 15 percent in 2008 compared with 8.2 percent in 1990, according to the Trinity College American Religious Identification Survey.  The Pew Forum on Religion in Public Life reported in April, however, that of the 5 percent of its survey respondents who said they do not believe in God or a universal spirit, only 24 percent actually identified themselves as atheists.

Silverman said his group interprets such numbers as a sign that the country is on the verge of an explosive growth in secularism.  Many of those potential secularists live in the New York-New Jersey area, Silverman said. The Lincoln Tunnel billboard, one of several the organization plans in the next year, was placed where it thinks generally affluent and highly educated commuters will have plenty of time to think about it as they inch their way through one of the most chronically clogged roadways in the region.  The message is meant to address what Silverman described as closet atheists: people who attend religious services during the holidays without believing in them.  “Stay home,” Silverman said. “Don’t give the church money. Don’t give the church power. Tell the truth to your friends and families.”

Such campaigns have already received one public response from a prominent Christian organization. The New York-based Catholic League reportedly sent statues of Nativity scenes to the governors of all 50 states, asking them to place them in their rotundas in response to atheists “out in force this year trying to neuter Christmas.”  Catholic League spokesman Bill Donohue could not be reached for comment.  Newark Archdiocese spokesman Jim Goodness said he is aware of the billboard — his son passed it on his way home from a family Thanksgiving meal Thursday night — and that he isn’t impressed.  He added that the archdiocese declined an offer to buy a rival billboard, stating that it has more constructive ways to spend its money. The message of Christmas is too resilient to be threatened by a sign, Goodness said.

“We’re looking at well over 2,000 years of this message being part of humanity,” Goodness said. “One message on a billboard that’s going to be there for a month isn’t going to change that.”


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: New Jersey; US: New York
KEYWORDS: atheist; atheists; billboard; christmas; hudsoncounty; lincolntunnel; moralabsolutes; nj; northbergen; waronchristmas; waronchristmas2010
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1 posted on 11/27/2010 9:05:59 PM PST by Coleus
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To: Coleus

I’ll bet these cowardly bass turds wouldn’t say things like this about Islam. They’d have their heads handed to them. Yellow cowards!


2 posted on 11/27/2010 9:08:54 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Don't touch my junk!!!)
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To: Coleus

All I can say is they are missing out on life’s purpose and power and spiritual fulfillment.


3 posted on 11/27/2010 9:10:31 PM PST by FlyingEagle
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To: Coleus

Well I am offended!
Offended to the very depths of my soul!
Indeed, the youngsters in my vast family are bewildered and offended too!

Can I file a law suit and get this offending Ad taken down?


4 posted on 11/27/2010 9:10:34 PM PST by J Edgar
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To: Coleus

Atheists only exist if God thinks they do.


5 posted on 11/27/2010 9:11:50 PM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: Coleus

If they are really atheists, why do they care? And why do they care enough to invest in advertisements? I find that very strange.


6 posted on 11/27/2010 9:14:14 PM PST by La Lydia
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To: Coleus

Doesn’t hurt me. I know the Truth. Lot of good your billboards will do you when you die, atheists. Poor, silly saps.


7 posted on 11/27/2010 9:15:13 PM PST by ReneeLynn (Socialism is SO yesterday. Fascism, it*s the new black. Mmm Mmm Mmm.)
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To: Coleus

8 posted on 11/27/2010 9:17:18 PM PST by massmike (...So this is what happens when OJ's jury elects the president....)
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To: La Lydia

If they are really atheists, why do they care?

Because they are not atheists, they are anti-theists.


9 posted on 11/27/2010 9:17:26 PM PST by hiho hiho
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To: Coleus

Celbrating Reason and celebrating God are vitrually the same thing. Reason, that is actually valid and not just the epiphenomen of blind chemical and electromagnetic forces, cannot exist without God.


10 posted on 11/27/2010 9:20:20 PM PST by HerrBlucher (Defund, repeal, investigate, impeach, convict, jail, celebrate.)
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To: Coleus

It is not that atheists don’t believe, it is that they will believe in anything.


11 posted on 11/27/2010 9:23:03 PM PST by Patrick1 (I'm a soldier of good fortune, I'm guarding the Yucatan.)
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To: HerrBlucher

Indeed, God is the author of reason.


12 posted on 11/27/2010 9:23:53 PM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Coleus

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXh7JR9oKVE


13 posted on 11/27/2010 9:25:52 PM PST by TheCause ("that these United Colonies are, and of right ought to be, free and independent States")
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To: Coleus

Bet they take Dec 24th, 25th off though....


14 posted on 11/27/2010 9:26:26 PM PST by goodnesswins (You deciding how to spend your health care $, that’s freedom. Govt deciding, thats a death panel)
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To: Coleus
American atheists - another communist front group? Started in 1963? By whom? KGB? GRU?
15 posted on 11/27/2010 9:27:33 PM PST by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: Coleus

16 posted on 11/27/2010 9:30:59 PM PST by bigbob
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To: La Lydia

“If they are really atheists, why do they care? And why do they care enough to invest in advertisements? I find that very strange.”

In most cases, they are attention whores. I stress most. I know a couple of atheists that are not like that at all. Virtually all others I have met scream nonsense like this to either appear “smart and enlightened” or “shocking”.


17 posted on 11/27/2010 9:35:02 PM PST by edh (I need a better tagline)
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To: Coleus
Well, I'm going to go with the Schadenfreude approach on this one. Watching these people being miserable and trying to make everyone else miserable makes me laugh.
18 posted on 11/27/2010 9:35:04 PM PST by NurdlyPeon (Sarah Palin: America's last, best hope for survival.)
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To: Coleus

They don’t know the truth: There is a logical case for Christ!

J.S.


19 posted on 11/27/2010 9:37:30 PM PST by JSDude1
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To: La Lydia

They probably feel religion is being shoved at them and they are fighting back by pushing their own views on others. Admittedly some religions do prosletyze (sp?) and it’s up to people to say, “No thanks” if they don’t agree. But atheists should probably just keep it to themselves—they are in effect creating their own religion, their own prosletyzing.
But mostly it’s just “I hate people who shove religion at me” (their opinion) “so I’m shoving back”.

I don’t know if they’re going to work on Christmas Day, if they’re so offended...my own view btw is I tolerate any religion that spreads love, peace, tolerance, etc. but I draw the line at the extremists who use religion to
crash planes into buildings so they can meet Allah and
72 black-eyed virgins. The old “your right to swing a fist ends at my nose” saying. If you love your religion, great. If you love being an atheist, great, but don’t try to push it on me.

And if they don’t like the Christmas celebration they can
do their own thing and let us alone. We are a pluralistic
country and the freedom to believe, or not believe, is within each of us.


20 posted on 11/27/2010 9:38:52 PM PST by raccoonradio
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To: Art in Idaho
another communist front group?>>

I would say Yes

21 posted on 11/27/2010 9:39:30 PM PST by Coleus (Abortion, Euthanasia & FOCA - - don't Obama and the Democrats just kill ya!)
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To: La Lydia
If they are really atheists, why do they care? And why do they care enough to invest in advertisements? I find that very strange.

All religions proselytize. I suppose Atheism's adherents do to get others to share their wretched, meaningless lives.

Pray for them. It will do you good. It may do them some good. Any way, it will irritate them.I know, that's not a very Christian attitude. I'm working on that.

22 posted on 11/27/2010 9:42:39 PM PST by magslinger ('This is a United States Marine Corps FA-18 fighter. Send 'em up, I'll wait!')
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To: Coleus

The problem with atheism is that you almost have to believe in evolution to be an atheist, and everybody pretty much knows by now that evolution is a bunch of bullshit.


23 posted on 11/27/2010 9:42:53 PM PST by wendy1946
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To: Coleus

I’ll never understand the insistence of athiests having to make an issue of others being Christian. If they don’t feel/think/reason that God/Christ are actual entities then why can’t they just think that and not raise an issue.

I think it’s because deep down, in their psyche they have this creeping doubt that they can’t quite understand and it scares them in a way they cannot describe....


24 posted on 11/27/2010 9:43:04 PM PST by phatus maximus ( John 6:29. Learn it, love it, live it.)
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To: Coleus
I don't care if people “believe” or not. Hell, I'm not the most devout person on the planet. But don't try to hurt those who do.
25 posted on 11/27/2010 9:45:24 PM PST by BigCinBigD (Northern flags in South winds flutter...)
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To: hiho hiho
"If they are really atheists, why do they care?"

And if they do not believe in God, then why do they hate him? They are in rebellion, like a child that "talks back" to a parent.

26 posted on 11/27/2010 9:49:34 PM PST by UnwashedPeasant (Don't nuke me, bro)
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To: Coleus
I missed their big Ramadan protest.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

27 posted on 11/27/2010 9:54:11 PM PST by The Comedian (Government: Saving people from freedom since time immemorial.)
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To: Coleus

Attention whore alert. Do these freaks know how pitifully small and rude this behavior is? Will they do the same on Romadon? Why do I doubt the snakes will do that?

They want to take the place of Christ in our society and they are not going to. The cowards know Allah is a fake and his followers would chop their attention whore heads off if they acted this aggressively billigerent to Islam.


28 posted on 11/27/2010 9:54:35 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: The Comedian

Will the atheists be out there with picket signs when the Ground Zero mosque opens?(Or would they picket a military funeral—what would the signs say, “Nothing Loves Dead
Soldiers”?...”Thank Nothing For 9/11”?)


29 posted on 11/27/2010 10:00:22 PM PST by raccoonradio
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To: Coleus

Placemark for pingout tomorrow.

Was thinking about you lately - wondered if you were still posting on FR!

I ran into the herb coleus in one of my books. It does a lot of things!


30 posted on 11/27/2010 10:02:07 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.CSLewis)
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To: Coleus

They don’t seem to put so much effort against Islam.

I think they lack confidence in their convictions.


31 posted on 11/27/2010 10:04:59 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: hiho hiho
Because they are not atheists, they are anti-theists

A valid distinction. A newborn child with no concept of a deity is the only true atheist.

32 posted on 11/27/2010 10:15:17 PM PST by phredo53 (Caution: This post does not comply with White House standards.)
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To: The Comedian

They were too busy at the ‘Atheists for Palestine rally’ throwing bottles at the Jews.


33 posted on 11/27/2010 10:17:00 PM PST by BenKenobi (Don’t worry about being effective. Just concentrate on being faithful to the truth.)
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To: phatus maximus
I think it’s because deep down, in their psyche they have this creeping doubt that they can’t quite understand and it scares them in a way they cannot describe....

It's simpler than that. People drawn to organized, militant atheism are jerks; assholes if you will. They get satisfaction from figurative thumbs in the eyes of those around them.

I worked with one once that just loved the look on people's faces when they noticed the comic strip on his cube wall that had Boy Scouts wearing Klan hoods. He was the only one ever talking about religion in the office, which seems peculiar for somebody apparently without a faith. Being known as the guy that doesn't give a damn about your sensibilities is important to him, and gives him some twisted sense of self-importance.

34 posted on 11/27/2010 10:21:08 PM PST by Minn
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To: La Lydia

If God doesn’t exist, why be bothered if people believe in Him? That shouldn’t matter more than what you’ll have for dinner tonight. Yet atheists are bothered by the beliefs of people they dismiss as ridiculous. That is in itself a statement about them, not about the people they try so hard to get to join them.


35 posted on 11/27/2010 10:41:08 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: La Lydia

President Bush said it well in his book “It is not possible to prove God exists, but that cannot be the standard for belief. After all, it is equally impossible to prove He doesn’t exist. In the end, whether you believe or don’t believe, your position is based on faith.”

The irony of Atheist is that they must have faith that God doesn’t exist because they have to use the word “believe” in order to say I don’t believe.

As for their willingness to offend everyone by shoving their views forcefully down someone’s throat, all the while crying that it is being done to them.....hypocrites will enjoy their time with me in Hell. At least I know I will. ::evil laugh::


36 posted on 11/27/2010 11:03:43 PM PST by TheRevolution1776 (2nd Amendment applies also to religous threats. I don't call 911 even after your down.)
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To: phatus maximus
I believe that they have to make an issue of it because the one that they follow (they don't believe in him either) has to deny God. He started it in the garden...”did God really say”...and now it is “there is no God”. Once a person has denied God's word he is just a short trip to denying God.

Psalm 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God...

Proverbs 14:16 A wise man feareth, and departeth from evil: but the fool rageth, and is confident.

Proverbs 1:7 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.

God bless and Merry Christmas

37 posted on 11/27/2010 11:07:31 PM PST by WorldviewDad (following God instead of culture)
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To: Coleus
Madelyn Marie O'Hare, the famous atheist who got prayer out of public schools, was known to set up a nativity scene under her Christmas tree, and in front of her children would stomp on it until it was completely smashed.

It would be reasonable to assume that among atheists there would be two types, those who prefer not to believe in God and those who hate him. In other words, some atheists do believe that there is a God but they just hate his guts.

38 posted on 11/27/2010 11:09:10 PM PST by Slyfox
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Tell me about it. The militantly godless have no problem likening Christian practice to Islamic jihad, but won’t ever actually criticize Islamic jihad itself.


39 posted on 11/27/2010 11:11:05 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: Slyfox

And her son rightly perceived that this was just nuts. Why put so much energy into destroying a purported nonentity?


40 posted on 11/27/2010 11:13:00 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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I want the militant Atheists to take on the supporters of the Religion of Peace. When the “peaceful” Muslims start cutting Atheist heads off and blowing-up Atheists, will the Atheists get it?

Of course not. The Atheists only go after targets that are safe. If they'd go after Muslims, they'd suddenly find religion (forced conversion), become a slave to their Muslim masters, or be killed.

Atheists claim they don't believe in God or religion; but by opposing what they don't believe, they create the mirror image of that they oppose. Atheism is a religion — an anti religion — but still a religion.

41 posted on 11/28/2010 4:23:54 AM PST by MasterGunner01 (To err is human; to forgive is not our policy. -- SEAL Team SIX)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
I want the militant Atheists to take on the supporters of the Religion of Peace. When the “peaceful” Muslims start cutting Atheist heads off and blowing-up Atheists, will the Atheists get it?

Of course not. The Atheists only go after targets that are safe. If they'd go after Muslims, they'd suddenly find religion (forced conversion), become a slave to their Muslim masters, or be killed.

Atheists claim they don't believe in God or religion; but by opposing what they don't believe, they create the mirror image of that they oppose. Atheism is a religion — an anti religion — but still a religion.

42 posted on 11/28/2010 4:26:38 AM PST by MasterGunner01 (To err is human; to forgive is not our policy. -- SEAL Team SIX)
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To: edh

Not really.

The nature and progression of sin in our lives, should we fail to return to God, is a degeneracy of the soul, mind and heart.

The first stages are simply placing our thinking, our belief, in anything other than God.

This might be the first stage of thinking for an unbeliever from birth. It scars our minds.

As this progresses, at some point in time, we become exposed to the Gospel, or good news of Christ and what He did on the Cross regarding sin.

When exposed and considered, it may be accepted or rejected. If rejected, the unbeliever continues along a path of grieving the Holy Spirit, then enters into a domain referenced in Scripture as “Quenching the Holy Spirit”.

Quenching the Holy Spirit isn’t merely turning away from God, rather it is a natural degeneracy from grieving the Holy Spirit or being separate from God to now actually attacking God and anything He provides in His Plan.

If continued without control, such degenerate behavior can further degenerate into a fragmented and explosive reaction to anything in life which doesn’t confirm the degenerate’s belief system.

The billboards are merely manifestations of the arrogance of those who post them. They aren’t seeking to help their fellow man, but are instead seeking to avoid any exposure to God or His Word.


43 posted on 11/28/2010 4:55:18 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: edh

Not really.

The nature and progression of sin in our lives, should we fail to return to God, is a degeneracy of the soul, mind and heart.

The first stages are simply placing our thinking, our belief, in anything other than God.

This might be the first stage of thinking for an unbeliever from birth. It scars our minds.

As this progresses, at some point in time, we become exposed to the Gospel, or good news of Christ and what He did on the Cross regarding sin.

When exposed and considered, it may be accepted or rejected. If rejected, the unbeliever continues along a path of grieving the Holy Spirit, then enters into a domain referenced in Scripture as “Quenching the Holy Spirit”.

Quenching the Holy Spirit isn’t merely turning away from God, rather it is a natural degeneracy from grieving the Holy Spirit or being separate from God to now actually attacking God and anything He provides in His Plan.

If continued without control, such degenerate behavior can further degenerate into a fragmented and explosive reaction to anything in life which doesn’t confirm the degenerate’s belief system.

The billboards are merely manifestations of the arrogance of those who post them. They aren’t seeking to help their fellow man, but are instead seeking to avoid any exposure to God or His Word.


44 posted on 11/28/2010 4:59:32 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: edh

Not really.

The nature and progression of sin in our lives, should we fail to return to God, is a degeneracy of the soul, mind and heart.

The first stages are simply placing our thinking, our belief, in anything other than God.

This might be the first stage of thinking for an unbeliever from birth. It scars our minds.

As this progresses, at some point in time, we become exposed to the Gospel, or good news of Christ and what He did on the Cross regarding sin.

When exposed and considered, it may be accepted or rejected. If rejected, the unbeliever continues along a path of grieving the Holy Spirit, then enters into a domain referenced in Scripture as “Quenching the Holy Spirit”.

Quenching the Holy Spirit isn’t merely turning away from God, rather it is a natural degeneracy from grieving the Holy Spirit or being separate from God to now actually attacking God and anything He provides in His Plan.

If continued without control, such degenerate behavior can further degenerate into a fragmented and explosive reaction to anything in life which doesn’t confirm the degenerate’s belief system.

The billboards are merely manifestations of the arrogance of those who post them. They aren’t seeking to help their fellow man, but are instead seeking to avoid any exposure to God or His Word.


45 posted on 11/28/2010 5:13:13 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: MasterGunner01; jimrob

My FR pings keep getting returned as interrupted or too busy, timed out. Multiple posts resulted. By looking at the post times, it doesn’t appear FR is too loaded, unless a type of attack. Did you have a similar response?


46 posted on 11/28/2010 5:17:19 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Coleus
Celebrate REASON

Apparently atheists just know that God is a myth by using their amazing powers of reason.

47 posted on 11/28/2010 5:45:34 AM PST by windsorknot
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To: Cvengr

Yes. I haven’t been able to post much of anything.


48 posted on 11/28/2010 7:51:38 AM PST by MasterGunner01 (To err is human; to forgive is not our policy. -- SEAL Team SIX)
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To: Coleus
quotations from [secular] humanist scholars that promote “love, equality, peace, freedom and reason,”

Secular humanists who support the above will typically also support irrational things such as a mixed economy or socialism. This combination of mixed premises is unstable and will not last for long. Eventually, the irrational beliefs in mixed economy or socialism will overwhelm the rational beliefs which will disappear.

49 posted on 11/28/2010 9:46:37 AM PST by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: Coleus

I know atheists who don’t kick up a fuss that I believe in God. I have no problem with that type of atheist. I don’t care what other people believe or don’t believe about the existence of God or an afterlife because it really doesn’t affect me. I will be civil to anyone, theist or atheist, attempting to spread their beliefs as long as they’re civil to me. When they start insisting that I will go to hell if I don’t believe in their particular brand of theism or when they get all condescending and start to imply that I am less intelligent and/or rational than Their Enlightened Selves because I believe in God, then I show them the door.


50 posted on 11/28/2010 1:07:27 PM PST by SoCal SoCon (Liberals whine. Conservatives act.)
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