China sells its drones using videos of them destroying US aircraft carriers

Libradex ^ | Libradex.com

[ssugasl231]

Check out the latest from the Air Show China. This year, China is showcasing numerous models of unmanned aerial vehicles (drones); most of which are for sale.

Look closely at the WJ600 model:

"The Chinese drone of greatest potential concern to the U.S. is the one with several missiles and a jet engine—called the WJ600—which was displayed by China Aerospace Science & Industry Corp., or Casic, one of China's top weapons makers.

Casic officials declined to comment, but a video and a two-dimensional display by the company showed Chinese forces using the WJ600 to help attack what appeared to be a U.S. aircraft carrier...

[Quix]

The Oligarchy has the technology to defend CONUS as well as Hawaii, Alaska, Guam etc. against all attacks.

The trouble is, the oligarchy is attacking CONUS etc.

itself.

THEY want us shredded, destroyed, at the very least brought to the state of our faces in the dirt.

They are treasonous of the worst sort.
They are satanic of the worst sort.
They are no longer meaningfully human to any significant degree.
They are no longer rational.
They are no longer American.
They are no longer sane.
They are no longer worth used toilet paper.

God has their destiny sealed.

Citizens need to stop fantasizing about meaningless SElections; prepare for the inevitable; PARTICULARLY WALK CLOSE TO GOD and let the evil doers know that the patriotic citizens stand on God’s side and will resist the enemy with everything we have.

As Shadrach, Meshach and Abednigoh asserted . . .

Whatever, Nebuchednezar . . . if we die, we die. Nevertheless, we will still not bow to your idol.

We will not take the Mark of the Beast.

We will not willingly cooperate with the satanic oligarchy.

And the Amils, Posmils, Preterists, REPLACEMENTARIANS amongst us might pray for a new trainload of knowledge, wisdom or brain transplants before they get hogtied with their pants around their ankles.

[central_va]

In my Navy says, this was known, and not with a smile. The phalanx is good, but enough incoming means the carrier's systems would not get them all, and a couple hits are all you need.

Ok, by this logic, it is pretty easy to shoot down a plane, therefore we should use combat aircraft. This non-logic is stupid.

[dusttoyou]

That’s what I ask also.

If a swarm gets though, am confident the procedure is to first smoke the drone base of ops, then Command and Control, then smoke a significant example. Hopefully the Navy will salute nobama with the bird if he tries to interfere.

China talks big for one just crawling beyond massive land troops only strategy. Being able to volume hack internet, steal technology and run simulations is a far cry from effective deployment in theater. This looks a lot more like a sales pitch to fools like iran or hugo.

[Venturer]

Hmmm Isn’t that what the Battleship Navy said right before WW2 ?

Of course I hope you are right.

I hate to think that 5,700 men a 4.5 Billion dollar ship,with 80 aircraft and 3.5 million gallons of aircraft fuel could be sunk with one drone fired missile or one Cruise type missile.

I do realise that the new weapons on escorting ships are rapid fire and deadly
I also realise that other powers in this world have deadly weapons also.

I also realise that an undetected Chinese Submarine came up next to one of our Carriers in 2007

http://hotair.com/archives/2007/11/10/chinese-sub-pops-up-in-the-midst-of-a-us-carrier-battle-group/

I know I am woefully uniformed as you say, but I know it only takes one shot to get through in the wrong place and we lose a helluva lot of assets.

[Joe Brower]

Huh? Did you even read my post?

Ask any swabbie what a couple of hits by modern missiles would do to a carrier.

This is nothing new. Look at what the Japanese accomplished with their Kamikaze tactics in WWII, which essentially made their aircraft man-guided missiles.

[central_va]

I was a Naval Officer.

To show the fallacy of your argument, suppose the ChiCOMS today right now, had 11 functioning carrier BG's and we had none. How would you "feel" then?

PS: Any damage above the water line could take a carrier out of commission(for a while) it will not sink it. Torpedo damage would be more devastating but still not sink a modern carrier.

[central_va]

I also realise that an undetected Chinese Submarine came up next to one of our Carriers in 2007

Don't base the performance of the US Navy on peacetime missions. During a real war, that sub would have been destroyed long before getting near an aircraft carrier. During war, things are different.

[SeeSac]

Don't base the performance of the US Navy on peacetime missions. During a real war, that sub would have been destroyed long before getting near an aircraft carrier. During war, things are different.

Take it you are not an expert on submarines.

[Joe Brower]

As history has proved and what I learned as combat doctrine 101, is that you don't have to completely destroy a thing (i.e.: sink a ship) to render it combat ineffective. Again, as any swabbie could tell you, from the days on the Spanish Main and even before.

That same rule goes for pretty much any other asset in theater, from human resources on up.

Missiles have been, are currently and will likely remain an enormous threat. And when you have a dozen or so coming at you at once, well, good luck.

[central_va]

I am an expert. There are things that are done during wartime that we would never do in peacetime. During a real war, we take a lot more chances, lets say safety distance change(decrease), our attack subs are more aggressive. I’ve said enough.

[central_va]

I'll give you another chance: I asked:To show the fallacy of your argument, suppose the ChiCOMS today right now, had 11 functioning carrier BG's and we had none. How would you "feel" then?

Please answer the question.

[SeeSac]

I am an expert.

What are your credentials?

There are things that are done during wartime that we would never do in peacetime. During a real war, we take a lot more chances, lets say safety distance change(decrease), our attack subs are more aggressive. I’ve said enough.

Have you ever been to see on a submarine or aircraft carrier? Have you ever participated in fleet exercises?

formerly,

SSN-652
CVAN-55.

[Joe Brower]

"Please answer the question."

Please tell me how your statement is germane to the topic of discussion.

If your implying the force superiority, it would be obvious that one would feel outmatched. Which is one big reason why missiles are so popular; they provide an enormous amount of effectivity against such superior adversaries.

A couple of dozen shore-launched missiles at say, $1 million apiece, will render a carrier out of the fight in a single massive salvo. How much does a carrier cost? Not to mention aircraft, personnel, etc.?

How many missile batteries do the Chinese already have along their coastline?

[ArrogantBustard]

No aircraft carriers were sunk in the Pacific during WWII

Hmmmm ...

1) IJN Kaga was attacked by US aircraft, bombed and set on fire, sank when on board fuel and ammo supplies exploded. She was NOT scuttled.

2) IJN Soryu was attacked by US aircraft, bombed and set on fire, sank when on board fuel and ammo supplies exploded. She was NOT scuttled.

3) IJN Shokaku was torpedoed and sunk by USS Cavalla.

4) IJN Zuikaku received multiple aerial bomb and torpedo hits, and was sunk.

5) IJN Unryu was torpedoed and sunk by USS Redfish.

6) IJN Shinano was torpedoed and sunk by USS Archerfish. In fairness, Shinano was not complete and was undermanned at the time.

7) IJN Ryujo was sunk by aerial bombardment.

8) IJN Chitose was sunk by aerial bombardment.

9) IJN Chiyoda was sunk by a combination of aerial bombardment and naval gunfire.

I won't bother with the IJN escort carriers, which were mainly merchant hulls with flight decks.

10) USS Yorkown disabled by aerial bombardment, torpedoed and sunk by I-168 while under tow.

Again, I'll leave off the escort carriers; they just weren't built to survive like the fleet carriers.

The Brits lost two or three, but not in the Pacific so I guess they don't count.

[houeto]

BINGO!

[DUMBGRUNT]

No aircraft carriers were sunk in the Pacific during WWII, the were burned and scuttled, but the battle damage itself didn't sink them.

My career Navy father was a member of the old Yorktown swim team and he may have had some disagreement with the fine points of your statement.

[Cringing Negativism Network]

“Today the DEMO party is lock stock and barrel trying to defeat America before the first shot is fired.”

-

“Free trade” Republicans are China’s strongest supporters.

Dems aren’t even a close second.

Time for import tariffs. Time for a real trade policy.

Time to re-industrialize America. Soon.

Before it’s too late.

[DUMBGRUNT]

Exocet and the Falklands

[central_va]

Ok, you are on record as being in favor of foreign governments being superior in sea air assets, including any future aircraft carriers they might deploy. Your point is well taken but not agreed with.

You are so smart; you might want to work for wikileaks.

[central_va]

This is after they were abandoned a left drifting around. Japanese damage control was inferior.