Coburn, Crapo say yes to debt commission plan (Judd Gregg will also support it)

MSNBC ^ | 12/02/2010 | Ken Strickland and Mark Murray

[SeekAndFind]

Republican Sens. Tom Coburn and Mike Crapo, who sit on President Obama's deficit-reduction commission, will vote in favor of the commission's plan, according to sources.

They will join Sens. Kent Conrad (D) and Judd Gregg (R), who said yesterday they'd also support the package.

Fourteen of the commission's 18 members need to vote yes for the plan to move to Congress. The vote is expected to take place tomorrow.

Both senators are voting members of the panel.

"I'm scared to death at the potential that could unwind this country," said Coburn, one of the Senate's most fiscal conservative members.

Crapo said, "Although it's not everything we wanted and contains things that are painful to us and raise heartburn... it takes us down a path of addressing these issues."

Both members said the commissions' proposal are a starting point for reigning in the nation's growing debt. But they agreed that more needs to be done, saying the plan does not cut spending nearly enough.

"If we pass this bill tomorrow, it doesn't get us out of the woods," Coburn said. "There are many more difficult choices we'll have to make."

[sheana]

Well if you think that I, or you, are gonna come out ahead in any tax scheme they propose, I have a bridge to sell you.

[kenmcg]

What a disappointment Coburn is. This AM he’s on Fox telling all what’s wrong with the commission’s findings. Yet when Gretchen asks him how he’ll vote he won’t answer saying standby for his press conference. the pubbies still don’t get it.

[Osage Orange]

I heard he wanted to change it to Kenny Crapo....

[RitaOK]

A lot of it has to do with their personalities and the offices they hold. ___________________________________

Yes, you’re probably right, and I appreciate your thoughtful take on these two favorite conservatives of mine.
Coburn is a very good man, a rather devout Christian, who is very kind to others and will give ANY good effort a chance to see the light of day.

Ryan is a dedicated math machine—sincere and serious. I just wish the two had not outed different views, at a time when we need a solid block of “here’s what we’re gonna do, and here’s how we’re gonna do it”. This divergence of views will be used again, instead of the bond between determined and solid men with ONE singular MESSAGE.

[Vaduz]

spending cuts can’t go to deep so mush waste in D.C. only for a vote.
1.stop any funding to illegals and deport
2.cut ear marks
3.

[Tzfat]

I wouldn’t call Crapo or Coburn RINOs. Honestly, I think they’re so desperate to do SOMETHING that they’re falling into a trap. Not a good thing, but it doesn’t make them RINOs.

It is not about political philosophy, it is about deeds. These two are RINOs, by what they are DOING - supporting this is pure RINO-ism.

[Bob Buchholz]

Flame me alert!

I am in favor of the commission’s plan as a starting point. There is no reason that obamacare, or any other of the massive bills passed in the last couple of years, cannot be dismantled in addition to the plan. The plan does not preclude other spending reductions or actions that may be necessary but it does begin to address many of the sacred cows.

No plan to reduce the spending and debt is going to be popular with everyone and all of it will not be popular with anyone, but we have to start somewhere and I don’t know of anything in the plan that will INCREASE spending and a lot of it will decrease spending, which is the ultimate goal.

[flaglady47]

“Will it make you feel better if your income taxes are simplified and you pay just 8%, 15% or 23% (TOPS)?”

Yeah, and how many years (minutes) before the Fed Gov’t start once again raising those tax brackets higher and higher. What’s to stop them from doing so. So, we take all the pain, and then the vicious cycle of raising taxes just begins all over again.

[RexBeach]

OK, I get it! LOL!!!

[Alberta's Child]

Thanks. I disagree with you on one key point here. There's a real danger to coming out with a "solid block of 'here's what we’re gonna do, and here’s how we’re gonna do it'" in this case. These two guys are part of a commission making recommendations that may never even see the light of day in Congress. And they're serving on a commission in which two thirds of the members are either Democratic House/Senate members or Obama appointees.

For any Republican on this commission to stake out a solid position in these circumstances would be completely unproductive -- because it makes it very difficult to modify any of these recommendations if and when they are taken up in Congress. In fact, having two credible voices on different sides of the issue will allow them to come up with something that nobody likes but is likely to be absolutely necessary -- without coming across as being completely partisan about it.

[Osage Orange]

The simple fact is that most people, including many freepers, do not want their pet agenda spending cut.

Name the FReepers...and their "agenda's".

[SeekAndFind]

RE: What’s to stop them from doing so. So, we take all the pain, and then the vicious cycle of raising taxes just begins all over again.

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Let’s add a requirement into law -— 2/3 majority REQUIRED to raise those tax rates in the future.

[Osage Orange]

These morons up there...always have "plans", "ideas", "commissions", "committee's", "studies", "groups"...etc..etc.

I expect them to cave...on doing the hard things that need to be done to save our country.

[ari-freedom]

“Which are those?”

the ponzi schemes

[Getsmart64]

income taxes are simplified and you pay just 8%

Hahaha....8%....yeah right....lol

[SeekAndFind]

RE: Hahaha....8%....yeah right....lol

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What about this from the Wall Street Journal :

http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20101130-713933.html

EXCERPT:

“We have proposed eliminating these tax earmarks, which amount to $1.1 trillion a year,” Erskine Bowles said. Such a move would be coupled with a simpler tax code and lower rates of 8%, 14% and 23% for individuals, and 26% for companies.

[RitaOK]

Got it. Thanks.

[ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas]

1. Government deficit spends until the breaking point.
2. The people express concern.
3. The tax collectors for the state are placed on a commission which decides revenue, read taxes, must be raised and cuts must be made.
4. Taxes are raised.
5. The cuts are never realized.
6. The government behemoth grows and the enslavement of the populace moves forward once again.
7. Rinse and repeat.
Ask Ronald Reagan, he found out how this all works before he passed.

My concern exactly! It's like the amnesty bills where they legalize all the illegals and then never get around to securing the border.

[spintreebob]

There are freepers who support a big expensive nanny state approach to immigration.

There are freepers who support the massive waste that exists in the defense department.... and support unconstitutional wars where there is no declaration of war by congress.

There are lesser numbers of freepers who support Ag subsidies, and No Child Left Behind and then, of course, there are freepers who support small earmarks and pork.

[spintreebob]

There are freepers who support a big expensive nanny state approach to immigration.

There are freepers who support the massive waste that exists in the defense department.... and support unconstitutional wars where there is no declaration of war by congress.

There are lesser numbers of freepers who support Ag subsidies, and No Child Left Behind and then, of course, there are freepers who support small earmarks and pork.