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Oh my: Scott Brown and Susan Collins to vote yes on repealing DADT (With this, we have 60)
Hotair ^ | 12/03/2010 | Allahpundit

Posted on 12/03/2010 5:27:47 PM PST by SeekAndFind

That makes 60 votes for cloture, assuming Reid can keep the entire Democratic caucus in line. I’m not aware of any defectors yet but Tester, McCaskill, Ben Nelson and a few other red-state Dems who are up in 2012 will be thinking awfully hard about this vote, needless to say.

Two big qualifiers, though. Collins, at least, is sticking by the GOP’s plan to vote no on everything until a deal is reached on the Bush tax cuts. Brown’s statement doesn’t address the subject, but since he also signed the Republican pledge to make the tax cuts top priority, presumably he’s on the same page. Until something happens on taxes, then, this is all meaningless. Which brings us to the second qualifier: Will there be any time left in the lame duck to address DADT even after a deal on taxes is reached? Durbin announced just within the past hour or so that he expects they’ll bring the DREAM Act to the floor next week. (Gird your loins.) GOP opposition to the START treaty has been softening too, so no doubt Reid’s going to try to take advantage by adding that to the calendar. Between tax cuts, DREAM, and START, will there be any time to take up DADT? If not, and given the fact that DREAM has much less of a chance of passing than the DADT repeal does, doesn’t that mean that Democrats will have completely sold out their last, best chance at achieving a key goal of their gay base for nothing more than a token gesture to Latinos? Rush should talk that up next week. Operation Chaos II!

In the interest of equal time after last night’s post, here’s vid of Marine Corps Commandant Gen. James Amos politely disagreeing with Gates and Mullen about repealing DADT right now. Emphasis on “right now”: He accepts repeal as a fait accompli, he just wants it on hold until the services aren’t under the strain of combat. (See Levin’s response to that.) The heads of the Army and Air Force agree with him, in fact; the only service branch head who favors immediate repeal of DADT is, er, the Navy’s. Exit question: Isn’t the real debate here whether DADT will be lifted by Congress or the courts, not whether it’ll be lifted at all? The Pentagon sure seems to think so.


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Let's look at it this way folks --- Martha Coakley would not have been any better...

Not that it makes a conservative feel good.

1 posted on 12/03/2010 5:27:51 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

The trial lawyers are already salivating and sharpening their carving knives. The Pentagon’s budget is about to become their Christmas goose.


2 posted on 12/03/2010 5:31:12 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Sittin' in da back of da bus since January 2009.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Remember folks, he’s a Republican who won a seat in a leftist state. Not a good indication of a conservative.

Bear this in mind before you jump on the Mitt bandwagon.


3 posted on 12/03/2010 5:31:42 PM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

He’s Mitt lite


4 posted on 12/03/2010 5:33:52 PM PST by Carley (ISRAEL.......NOT SO ALONE!!!)
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To: SeekAndFind

How do I go about getting a refund of the hunnert bucks I sent him?


5 posted on 12/03/2010 5:35:06 PM PST by Salvey
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To: SeekAndFind

They got 60??

Is this counting the two Dem Senators from Arkansas who voted last time in September against cloture, and the new Dem Senator Joe Manchin who sure looks like a vote against DADT repeal?


6 posted on 12/03/2010 5:36:51 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: SeekAndFind

He’s drunk too much Potomac Koolaid. The US is BROKE and he’s worried about this nonsense.


7 posted on 12/03/2010 5:38:03 PM PST by VRWC For Truth (Throw the bums out who vote yes on the bailout)
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To: Red Steel
"...the new Dem Senator Joe Manchin who sure looks like a vote against DADT repeal?"

When push comes to shove, Manchin will toe the party line.

8 posted on 12/03/2010 5:40:21 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Joe 6-pack

We will see. Manchin is up for reelection in 2012. Voting yes to overturn DADT won’t go over good in WV.


9 posted on 12/03/2010 5:45:31 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: VRWC For Truth
He’s drunk too much Potomac Koolaid.

Do you really think this is any different from what he was when running for office?!

The US is BROKE and he’s worried about this nonsense.

Let's see...the Dems agreed to consider holding off on the tax increase and blocking other cuts in exchange for DADT (and START II). So he's not the one holding up things. (Not that I'm agreeing with his position...I'm just pointing out that his position is not at odds with getting the economy in order.)

10 posted on 12/03/2010 5:46:11 PM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: SeekAndFind

“He accepts repeal as a fait accompli, he just wants it on hold until the services aren’t under the strain of combat.”

I guess that means no time this decade then?


11 posted on 12/03/2010 5:48:51 PM PST by Eyes Unclouded ("The word bipartisan means some larger-than-usual deception is being carried out." -George Carlin)
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The heads of the Army and Air Force agree with him, in fact; the only service branch head who favors immediate repeal of DADT is, er, the Navy’s.

Heh.

12 posted on 12/03/2010 5:49:48 PM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Brown Wtg


13 posted on 12/03/2010 5:51:57 PM PST by FrankR (Don't let the bastards wear you down!)
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To: Gondring

It’s a crap sammich as usual. The lower tax extension will solve nothing. The US needs massive tax relief and massive spending cuts. It’s all facade in DC. The amusement is done. Our gov’t is going too fall.


14 posted on 12/03/2010 5:52:22 PM PST by VRWC For Truth (Throw the bums out who vote yes on the bailout)
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To: SeekAndFind
They have forgotten what a soldier is and his purpose.

We are toast without the best in the service of our country.

15 posted on 12/03/2010 5:52:38 PM PST by existtoexcel
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To: SeekAndFind

“”Collins, at least, is sticking by the GOP’s plan to vote no on everything until a deal is reached on the Bush tax cuts.””

Doesn’t the above taken from the article contradict the headline? They have her YES vote but she’s sticking by the plan?


16 posted on 12/03/2010 5:54:14 PM PST by Thank You Rush
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

I can’t wait to hear another so-called conservative remind me to ignore social issues, because fiscal matters are the only ones that matter. It’s not like the leftists are going to declare a truce on social issues. They’re attacking on every front, and it’s all interrelated.

I don’t think people understand how serious the repeal of DADT really is. If conservatives lose this one, we lose the entire Gay War. The DoD will capitulate on on-base housing and benefits for homosexual couples, DoD chaplains and Christian military members will receive gag orders for anti-homosexual speech (creates hostile and intimidating work environment), and courts will overturn state restrictions on homosexual “marriage” because “people who are willing to die for their country deserve to marry the spouse of their choice.”

It is so blatantly obvious that homosexuality is a deviant act that goes against the natural order of things. It is one thing to tolerate it. Gates and Mullet-head Mullin want to normalize and endorse promiscuous anal sodomy as fully compatible with a healthy, morally upright military career. Leadership is out to destroy smoking and increase fitness standards, but having a butt buddy is A-OK?

Heaven help us!


17 posted on 12/03/2010 5:54:55 PM PST by CitizenUSA (Land of the free, home of the brave, eh? Consider me a "Domestic Extremist!")
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To: Red Steel

If the Democrats need his vote, they got it. If they can flip a few more Republicans, which should be as difficult as breaking an eggshell, they may let him slide. But, in the end, always look for a Democrat to behave as a Democrat. Unfortunately for us, the same holds for Republicans also.


18 posted on 12/03/2010 5:55:41 PM PST by sport
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To: Salvey

And I remember so many Freepers getting all bent out of shape before the election when a few of us suggested that he might not be that conservative and worth spending any money on...


19 posted on 12/03/2010 6:02:54 PM PST by Controlling Legal Authority
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To: sport

Even if the Dims get cloture, the Repubs can slow this down voting for amendment after amendment to lard it down. The bill goes to the joint house meeting where the two houses again have to agree to pass the same bill. Time is not on the rats side. Tick toc tick toc.... Dems - oh damn - time’s up, it is January.


20 posted on 12/03/2010 6:03:42 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: SeekAndFind
Someone really needs to do Mr. Brown a bumper sticker like this:


21 posted on 12/03/2010 6:04:13 PM PST by bigbob (.)
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To: VRWC For Truth

Yesterday the little girly man was whining about the time spent on food safety rather than tax cuts.

Today he joins the time wasters and this is the result.

He goes on TV and bloviates and then sends an email out refudiating every thing he said on TV.


22 posted on 12/03/2010 6:06:38 PM PST by Carley (ISRAEL.......NOT SO ALONE!!!)
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To: SeekAndFind

No need to get our panties in a wad. He has helped us and can always be replaced.


23 posted on 12/03/2010 6:10:03 PM PST by Hurricane
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To: Red Steel

When it comes to trickery and deceit never count the Democrats out. I am hoping that the Republicans can stall them and limit the damage they cause. But I also know how the Democrats operate.

When they kept the witch as their House Leader and Reid as their Senate leader, they are signaling that thhey are ready to fight. I just hope that the Rwepublicans are up to the task. History is not with me on this one.


24 posted on 12/03/2010 6:12:31 PM PST by sport
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To: CitizenUSA

Help is on the way, CitizenUSA ~

Psalm 37

12 The wicked plot against the righteous
and gnash their teeth at them;
13 but the Lord laughs at the wicked,
for he knows their day is coming.
14 The wicked draw the sword
and bend the bow to bring down the poor and needy,
to slay those whose ways are upright.
15 But their swords will pierce their own hearts,
and their bows will be broken.


25 posted on 12/03/2010 6:25:47 PM PST by Pegita ('Tis so sweet to trust in Jesus, just to take Him at His word ...)
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To: sport
The Dims better pull out all of their dirty tricks to get START, DADT, DREAM, and to redo (they messed up) that power grab of a Food Act or whatever it's called in the next 27 days.


Senator Collins:


"Once the tax issue is resolved, I have made it clear that if the Majority Leader brings the Defense Authorization bill to the floor with sufficient time allowed for debate and amendments, I would vote to proceed to the bill,"

Emphasizing - "Sufficient time allowed for debate and amendments"

Collins is going to milk the process all the way.

Collins says 'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal must wait for tax cuts

26 posted on 12/03/2010 6:28:13 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: VRWC For Truth

Yeah, they have defined a minor conservative victory as a big win, so the truly necessary won’t be accomplished, I fear.


27 posted on 12/03/2010 6:29:20 PM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I know they say he’s the best we could get from Mass, but on the other hand, if they had wanted a Democrat and for things to stay the same, they wouldn’t have elected a Republican.


28 posted on 12/03/2010 6:36:54 PM PST by Rastus
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To: SeekAndFind

The gay lobby got to ‘em.


29 posted on 12/03/2010 6:38:50 PM PST by popdonnelly (Class warfare is Obama's thing.)
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To: popdonnelly

“The gay lobby got to ‘em.”

You mean the MA GOP leadership?


30 posted on 12/03/2010 6:53:06 PM PST by Stormdog (A rifle transforms one from subject to Citizen)
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To: popdonnelly

DADT repeal just pisses me off.

While we are at WAR the pin heads want to jam this down our throats(pun intended) like it can’t wait until we are not in a state of war.

I really hope we can get these asshats out of power before violence befalls our country. On the other hand I admit I would probably take pleasure in dishing out some what they got coming to them if we do fall into violence and have to pick sides.


31 posted on 12/03/2010 6:55:09 PM PST by BookaT (My cat's breath smells like cat food!)
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To: SeekAndFind

After last months election results in Massachusetts, Scott Brown will creep more and more left.

It will not make a difference here.

He is done, even if he turns Rat which will not help him either.

Massachusetts is a lost cause.


32 posted on 12/03/2010 7:02:30 PM PST by Radix ("..Democrats are holding a meeting today to decide whether to overturn the results of the election.")
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To: SeekAndFind
I’m not aware of any defectors yet but Tester, McCaskill, Ben Nelson and a few other red-state Dems who are up in 2012 will be thinking awfully hard about this vote, needless to say.

Yeah, Tester maybe. Ben Nelson, I don't think, is running for re-election so he doesn't give a damn. The idiot McCaskill may think about it, but she is so frickin' stupid, she'll think voting to repeal DADT will help her.

She is easily manipulated by Hussein.

I despise these RINOs, and really, I wish their Republican constitutents would boot 'em.

I know we risk a loss of a seat, but when the votes are close and they're not reliable, then what the hell USE are they?

33 posted on 12/03/2010 7:07:01 PM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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To: SeekAndFind
The heads of the Army and Air Force agree with him, in fact; the only service branch head who favors immediate repeal of DADT is, er, the Navy’s.

Just think of all those handsome mens and womens cooped up on those big steel boats! Bobbing along out in those oceans for days upon days upon days.


34 posted on 12/03/2010 7:10:25 PM PST by dennisw (- - - -He who does not economize will have to agonize - - - - - Confucius)
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To: dennisw

LOL! I loved that show!!!


35 posted on 12/03/2010 7:13:43 PM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: dennisw

LOL! I loved that show!!!


36 posted on 12/03/2010 7:13:51 PM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: Red Steel

No. That means there are still 63 no votes.


37 posted on 12/03/2010 7:18:00 PM PST by WashingtonSource
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To: VRWC For Truth

“The US needs massive tax relief and massive spending cuts.”

It will not matter. The people with money and small and medium sized companies have gone Galt. Nothing improves until the muslim usurper is out of office.

Blame idiots who watch TV because TV and the media keep him in power.


38 posted on 12/03/2010 7:36:08 PM PST by Frantzie (Imam Ob*m* & Democrats support the VICTORY MOSQUE & TV supports Imam)
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To: SeekAndFind
Just what we need!.... a military with people that are gay first and soldiers second....

Mr Washington...Franklin...Jefferson...Adams.....

...I'm glad you didn't have to see this...

39 posted on 12/03/2010 7:41:42 PM PST by massmike (...So this is what happens when OJ's jury elects the president....)
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To: Radix

Probably 75-80% of his constituents favor repeal.
He can only go out on a limb so many times.

I’ll take him voting against the DREAM act and for repeal of DADT. That’s about as good as we can hope for from Massachusetts.


40 posted on 12/03/2010 7:43:15 PM PST by nbenyo
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To: CitizenUSA

>I can’t wait to hear another so-called conservative remind me to ignore social issues, because fiscal matters are the only ones that matter.<

Looks like Scott forgot this lesson...

April,2009
Mass. Republican Party Chairman says party will no longer oppose same-sex “marriage”, abortion, other “social issues”

Nov.2010
Mass. Republicans lose ALL statewide & Congressional races

I hope you didn’t unpack yet,RINO!


41 posted on 12/03/2010 7:44:05 PM PST by massmike (...So this is what happens when OJ's jury elects the president....)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe; SeekAndFind
Remember folks, he’s a Republican who won a seat in a leftist state. Not a good indication of a conservative.

We really had no conservative alternative.

If you are voting in a primary within a liberal stronghold, you support the conservative. When the RINO wins the primary, you consider supporting the RINO.

42 posted on 12/03/2010 7:48:23 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: SeekAndFind

Remember: The only reason we supported Scott Brown was that he did oppose 0bamaCare. Expecting anything more from a Republican from Mass. is unreasonable.


43 posted on 12/03/2010 7:50:12 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (0bama thought he'd find "common ground" on 0bamaCare because of ROMNEYCARE!)
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To: Pegita

David fought many battles following God’s lead. What does God want us to do for our military? How do we fight for them in Washington while they fight for us in other countries? Do we call the Senate? Will they listen?


44 posted on 12/03/2010 8:08:00 PM PST by huldah1776
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To: CitizenUSA

Good points.

Not to mention the fact that the left for decades has deliberately intertwined fiscal spending with social issues so that you can’t attack one without attacking the other. “It’s for the children” is just one example of the intertwining. “Social justice” is another.

Any spending you want to attack has a social aspect to it. They designed it that way.


45 posted on 12/03/2010 8:40:39 PM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Yep but my new senator "republican" Mark Kirk, Illinois, will make Snowe/Collins/Brown look down right conservative by comparison.
46 posted on 12/03/2010 8:45:34 PM PST by Graybeard58
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To: SeekAndFind

FUSB


47 posted on 12/03/2010 8:47:39 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (McCarthy Was Right)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

FUSB.

And the truck you rode in on.


48 posted on 12/03/2010 8:48:29 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (McCarthy Was Right)
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To: Salvey

Send an invoice.


49 posted on 12/03/2010 8:51:52 PM PST by drubyfive
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To: SeekAndFind

So little time on the Hill and so out of touch already.


50 posted on 12/03/2010 9:09:19 PM PST by Dapper 26
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