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To: allmendream; Alamo-Girl; r9etb; xzins; Quix
Are you actually going with your assertion that when the Pope talks of the creation of man from pre living material, he is speaking of “micro” evolution?

The Pope isn't talking about "the creation of man from pre-living material."

Rather, see Genesis 2:7:

And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground [your "pre-living material?], and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and [then] man became a living soul. [I.e., entered the world as a living being.]

Looks like a "special creation" to me, using whatever materials the LORD God saw fit to use for this purpose. I.e., the "dust of the ground," purely stupid, non-living, inert matter....

Also consider the other "special creations" the LORD God made:

And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew....

IOW, the LORD God created everything there is, before anything was materialized as a living creature. [See Genesis 1.] This means that creatures do not arise "from matter," but from the will and mind of God. After they were so created, then they were "embodied" as material, natural forms.

My point about macro- vs. micro-evolution is that there is evidence for the latter, based on observation and experiment, but not for the former. The former is merely an "intuitive" story that cannot, in principle, be tested by means of the scientific method (.e., direct observation, replicable experiments, leading to verification and prediction).

163 posted on 12/17/2010 5:01:19 PM PST by betty boop (Seek truth and beauty together; you will never find them apart. — F. M. Cornford)
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To: betty boop

Well put.Thx for the ping.


164 posted on 12/17/2010 5:09:21 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: betty boop
The Pope IS talking about the creation of man from pre-living material. It is mentioned in TWO of the quotes by TWO different Popes.

You first denied they were talking about biological evolution at all, then when that position became untenable, you retreated to claiming that they were only accepting micro evolution. Now you are retreating even from that claim when you see how LUDICROUS it is to claim that the creation of man from pre-living material is merely “micro” evolution.

The common descent of species is a predictive theory. I predict that any ERV sequences found in common with orangutans and humans will ALSO be present in chimps and gorillas and will be more degraded from an original viral sequence than one found ONLY in humans and chimps.

165 posted on 12/17/2010 6:08:14 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: betty boop
And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew....

IOW, the LORD God created everything there is, before anything was materialized as a living creature. [See Genesis 1.] This means that creatures do not arise "from matter," but from the will and mind of God. After they were so created, then they were "embodied" as material, natural forms.

Indeed. Thank you so very much for your beautiful essay-post, dearest sister in Christ!


166 posted on 12/17/2010 8:15:23 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: betty boop
Are the very thoughts of God, God? I would affirm the belief that a thought from God of soemthing He wants to exist in spacetime is as guaranteed to come to pass as if it already exists. But we know so little of the 'other' dimensional realms of God's creation, can we say that each species did not exist in some dimensional reality before becoming limited to our realm of spacetime? ... What if that which exists in our spacetime is actually less full in our spcaetime than it would be in a more complex spacetime, or even a less complex spacetime?
175 posted on 12/18/2010 4:22:04 PM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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