World Net Daily fabricates a "Missile" Contrail tale

Faith, Reason, and Health ^ | 12/12/2010 | Dr. Brian Kopp

[TigersEye]

If you think those responses in context to your statements are morally equivalent to a non-specific broad brush accusation with no foundation then good luck to you. You’re going to need it.

[Niteflyr]

That describes my feelings about it perfectly. In addition to impressing Gil Leyvas it impressed Rick Warren enough that he took over fifty photos of it. That can’t be sloughed off as “jazzing up the news for Sweeps Week.”

Yeah and the Pentagon response "unlikely it was a missile"? What the hell is that? I think I deserve as a tax-paying citizen living in the area a little more definitive answer from our "protectors".

[Niteflyr]

I find it odd that those who are 100% convinced either way are still here debating this issue. I come back here because I was never thoroughly convinced either way...since I actually have a life outside Freerepublic I wouldn’t be on this thread if I was. The case would be closed for me, and I would move on~

[mnehring]

bfltr

[Finny]

Speaking for myself, my posts pretty much form the start on this haven’t been to “debate” with the people pushing the contrail, but to give lurkers a wider view.

[fabian]

Thanks

[TXnMA]

Brian, you should probably field this question (#492) since you talked with Gil at length, wrote this article about that interview, and are still in contact with him.

Niteflyr, I'm just the cartographer, video analyst, and graphics guy on this ad hoc "contrail team" -- and I'm just starting to gain a bit of familiarity with using Google Earth to put in 3-D what I normally do in 2-D...

However, I will say that I defy anyone to plot a path (like that of UPS 902) beginning at the "CBS 35 mile start point" and climbing northwest out over the Pacific-- and show that it bears any resemblance at all to the video and photographs of the original event.

Hint: the ONLY instance where that can be done is when you are only a minute fraction of degree south of the track and looking at it almost directly in line with it. Travel a couple of miles north or south up and down the coast, and it is obvious that the recorded object was headed inbound toward California -- not headed outbound over the Pacific.

If you look at ALL the facts, that point is indisputable. It just so happens that UPS 902 matches reality with as near perfection as can be measured with the tools at hand.

Niteflyr, what was your "take" on that Google Earth video?

Brian, what say you?

[TXnMA]

"Yikes...how far have we fallen? "

In the case of many, far enough to be totally suckered into fabricating wild speculations and ludicrous conspiracy theories based on nothing more than 12-14 seconds of video (chopped into three separate clips) that were scrambled in time sequence, looped and still-framed to make up a 40-second hoax -- (hyped as "RAW VIDEO") -- and turned into fake "news" to gain viewers for "Sweeps Week". (...hyped with the bogus chant of, "It Lit Up The Sky!!"...)

Good grief, FReepers, the culprit is CBS!!!. Has everyone forgotten "Rathergate"?

CBS Lies!!!

[fabian]

Yes, my eyes and a former air force general are all wrong and you are right...okay....whatever. The video piece I saw was not edited my friend.

[TXnMA]

"The video piece I saw was not edited my friend."

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If so, you have seen a video that no one else outside CBS has seen.
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Read this FR post: RAW VIDEO: Mysterious Contrail Off Calif. (CBS's title) -- including comments #1, #21, and #34. Then please come back here, FRiend, and let us know if your statement above is factual.

Prediction: this is the last we will hear from you on this subject -- especially on this thread.

[TXnMA]

"In addition to impressing Gil Leyvas it impressed Rick Warren enough that he took over fifty photos of it. "

Brian, you have talked at length with Rick Warrren. Is it true that Rick "took over fifty photos of " [the contrail]?

[TXnMA]

Quit talking to the mirror, Saul.

[Brian Kopp DPM]

I am only aware of twelve photos, but I never specifically asked Rick.

I’m through with this thread, by the way TXnMA. I did my best, and now I have to focus on my family and preparing for Christmas.

No one is left viewing this thread that hasn’t already arrived at firmly held conclusions, and nothing I can say is going to change firmly held conclusions at this point.

[TigersEye]

Quit talking to the mirror, Saul.

No one has less room to talk than you, Bupkis. Your second post on the subject you started the smear campaign.

To: libstripper; saganite; All

All you conspiracy theorists can take off your tinfoil hats and stand down, now. Saganite conclusively identified it as INBOUND daily scheduled US Airways Flight 808 (AWE808) from Hawaii. See

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2625121/posts

He even posted a photo taken at the same time the next day -- showing the exact same effect.

The fact that the plane's movement is inbound (toward the viewer) heightens the illusion that the object is ascending in the sky.

39 posted on Wednesday, November 10, 2010 9:14:56 PM by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)

You're a pathetic loser and a whiner.

All you conspiracy theorists can take off your tinfoil hats and stand down, now. Saganite conclusively identified it as INBOUND daily scheduled US Airways Flight 808 (AWE808) from Hawaii. See

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2625121/posts

He even posted a photo taken at the same time the next day -- showing the exact same effect.

The fact that the plane's movement is inbound (toward the viewer) heightens the illusion that the object is ascending in the sky.

[Sto Zvirat]

Hey, when are you going to present actual data and proof? Haven’t seen any yet. Give us the proof, who’s missile? Where was it launched? Where did it land? Why no response? Why no one on boats reported it? Why Why Why?

Come on, you have had 6 weeks, and you have presented not an ounce of data other than “that looks like a missile!”

In your heart, you know you are wrong.

[Rokke]

"it impressed Rick Warren enough that he took over fifty photos of it."

Really? I'm aware of 12. Where did you read 50?

[Rokke]

"But conspiracies are so much more titillating than old Occam..."

And ironically, conspiracy theorists are usually the first to mention Occam...as they ignore the simplicity of reality.

[Rokke]

"Yeah and the Pentagon response "unlikely it was a missile"? What the @#!*% is that? I think I deserve as a tax-paying citizen living in the area a little more definitive answer from our "protectors"."

Then why don't you read the actual statement?

"The Dept. of Defense statement from Col. Dave Lapan, the Acting Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense, reads:

"While there is nothing at this time that leads the Department of Defense to believe this is a missile launch, the department and other U.S. government agencies with expertise in aviation and space continue to look into the condensation trail (CONTRAIL) seen and reported off the coast of southern California on Monday evening.

"All DoD entities with rocket and missile programs reported no launches, scheduled or inadvertent, during the time period in the area of the reported contrail. NORAD and USNORTHCOM confirmed that it did not monitor any foreign military missile launch off the California coast yesterday and has determined that there was no threat to the US homeland.

"In addition, the FAA ran radar replays from Monday afternoon of a large area west of Los Angeles. Those replays did not reveal any fast-moving, unidentified targets. The FAA also did not receive reports of any unusual sightings from pilots who were flying in the area Monday afternoon.

"If any new information comes to light in the coming days, we will update the press and public."

[Rokke]

"I find it odd that those who are 100% convinced either way are still here debating this issue."

I am 100% convinced there is a God in Heaven, the New World Order is not spraying the globe with chemtrails, and that Socialism in its purist form cannot compete with Capitalism in its purist form, but I'll happily debate those topics too. This isn't a running conversation. I get all kinds of things done during a FR debate that have nothing to do with computers or the internet.

[TXnMA]

"I’m through with this thread, by the way TXnMA. I did my best, and now I have to focus on my family and preparing for Christmas."

Good idea!

And, may you and yours have a most blessed and joyous celebration and remembrance of our Lord's beginning of His wondrous, sacrificial ministry to us here on Earth!

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Thank you for reaching out to the ones with personal experience with this case -- and for submitting your clearly-reasoned report of it for publication! (I know you're aware of my opinion of the outcome...) LOL!

I'm continuing to use the data as a template for learning to create movies with Google Earth, and am collecting and archiving materials on the subject.

Perhaps, some day, I'll ping you to an article I have published on these "internet phenomena"... And, in anticipating your reply, I'll pray for half the grace you showed in receiving my response!

Bless you -- and for you, the highest of FR accolades:

Nicely done!!!

:-)

TXnMA