Little Ice Age And Expanding Arctic Ice -“Climate Forecasts Will Have To Be Thrown In The Dustbin”

Notrickszone.com ^ | 14. Dezember 2010 | P Gosselin on

[FrankR]

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Dropping this on here:

Borrowed from a poster at Watts Up With That?.

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Try this again
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Here are some websites
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GOES 14 Satellite of North America,tracking the
Storm at 22,000 miles up.

http://goes.gsfc.nasa.gov/

Full Disc/East

http://goes.gsfc.nasa.gov/goescolor/goeseast/overview2/color_lrg/latestfull.jpg
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Appalachians and Great Lakes Snow Conditions & Weather Map
(Change it to where you are!)

http://www.snow-forecast.com/maps/dynamic/appal
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Current Winds/Speeds/Direction
(Again,change it to your local)

http://www.intellicast.com/National/Wind/Current.aspx?location=USMI0545
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North American Radar Stations
U.S. NEXRAD and TDWR Radar Stations

http://www.wunderground.com/radar/map.asp

canopfor on December 12, 2010 at 7:50 PM

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Thanks....Nice !

[yefragetuwrabrumuy]

Don’t be too quick to guess that we’re entering a new ice age. Here’s the logic.

Think about a greenhouse. A greenhouse is a little warmer than the average temperature of the ambient air. However, temperature fluctuation is moderated. That is, when it is cold outside, a greenhouse will only get cool. When it is hot outside, the greenhouse will only be warm.

The opposite of a greenhouse effect is like what is observed on the surface of the Moon. With no atmosphere, there is no greenhouse effect at all. So when something is in the shade, it becomes intensely cold, but when illuminated by the Sun, it becomes intensely hot—and very quickly. There is no moderation.

The atmospheric blanket that surrounds the Earth is called the thermosphere. Most of our atmosphere is in the thermosphere, but the two are not identical. The thermosphere is the part of our atmosphere that traps, and *moderates* heat.

Just like a greenhouse.

Mysteriously, the size of the thermosphere reduced considerably.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/07/15/earths-thermosphere-collapses-film-at-11/

“The collapse happened during the deep solar minimum of 2008-2009—a fact which comes as little surprise to researchers. The thermosphere always cools and contracts when solar activity is low. In this case, however, the magnitude of the collapse was two to three times greater than low solar activity could explain.”

That is, we suddenly lost a LOT of the Earth’s greenhouse effect.

So think about the Moon. With a loss of greenhouse effect, what we notice is the loss of *moderation* in the weather.

In effect, hotter summers and colder winters. Higher highs and lower lows.

This means that it is unlikely that we will quickly move into a roasting or freezing world. Sure, summers will be unusually hot, but it will be balanced with winters that are unusually cold.

That is, of course, if the thermosphere would stay at its radically reduced size. So that is what matters. No guarantees for the thermosphere doing about anything.

Because we don’t really know how it works too well.

[mrsmel]

LOL. Seriously, even if all the lefty nutters did an about-face and decided that that we’re in for man-made global cooling instead of warming, some politician would just find a way to use it as another excuse for more regulation (and a money-making scam). Everything is an excuse to enact more regulation, for politicians (and that includes many on the “right”, these days). They wouldn’t have an excuse to get paid if they just did what they’re supposed to-defend the country and protect our borders-and not a single other thing. But oh how wonderful life could be if they just left us the heck ALONE.

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

I think the Express is delivering to the Bay Area:

Click here for the GOES Sat movie

And it is moving south...Yikes!!

[Marine_Uncle]

It would be hard to believe he (Graham) has not been made aware of the what the green movement wants to accomplish. This whole mess is just that. Has he waded through the issue carefully. Perhaps he has but wants to create jobs.

[AFreeBird]

Perhaps it's time for Time to rerun an old article.

[steelyourfaith]

Thanx Ernest_at_the_Beach & Fractal Trader !

 

Beam me to Planet Gore !

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Copy below for Full View of current GOES Satellite View.

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http://goes.gsfc.nasa.gov/goescolor/goeseast/overview2/color_lrg/latestfull.jpg

[RnMomof7]

Exactly

[gleeaikin]

If this forecast is accurate, we will need every barrel of oil we can get just to keep warm. Keep working on higher milage cars, PLEASE!!!

[mikrofon]

The cold now sweeping over Europe and other parts of the globe are due to natural cycles, says German meteorologist Thomas Globig

Globig Cooling

[Moltke]

Just remember (what I tell any warmists I encounter) that 110+ years ago there was a scientific consensus about an aether being the medium which makes electromagnetic radiation propagation possible. Many of the truly (at least otherwise) bright scientists of the time subscribed to the aether theory.

And then there was the Michelson-Morley experiment and later Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity, and the cardhouse collapsed.

Only back then no one tried to extort hundreds of billions of dollars from the people on account of the aether theory... CONSENSUS IS NOT PROOF.

[mikrofon]

The cold now sweeping over Europe and other parts of the globe are due to natural cycles, says German meteorologist Thomas Globig

Ich bin ein Brrrliner

[gleeaikin]

Thank you for a complex and thoughtful comment. People who have not studied science have no idea how complex and intertwined various factors are.

For example I recall seeing several years ago something about East Anglia reporting a slowing(cooling?) of the Gulf Stream. I think this may have been the origin of some of the funny business that went on subsequently of trying to protect the Global Warming hypothesis. On the other hand it could have just as easly been argued that GW was melting the polar ice, causing a reduction in super salty water due to freezing of surface ice, and thus slowing down the North Atlantic Oscillation. Thus one could easily say that GW was causing Gulf Stream cooling.

At any rate, it is all very complex, it needs to be studied with an open mind. Scientists should stop having to justify their funding on the basis of whether their research supports one idea or another. Unfortunately, the need for basic research is seriously undervalued, including by a lot of people here at FR.

[Professional Engineer]

Ping

[KC_for_Freedom]

Of course, like models that predict global warming without having a full understanding of the effects of things like ocean thermal sinking, the study you cite also does not understand what is going on.

What we do know is that the global average temperature is not trending up at the same rate as the global average concentration of CO2. Which means to me that CO2 does not explain everything either. http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/

So why won’t scientists admit that they don’t know and that they are going to study things for a few more years before they decide to change the global economic engine?

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

From joNova some Humor:

Global Warming — it’s just another joke

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Armstrong and Miller mock the Global Warming thought police as they tell us to ignore our lying eyes, and give us glossy printed pamphlets telling us what we are allowed to think.

The formerly fashionable theory of man-made catastrophe is becoming the regular butt of jokes. Bear in mind that half of the comedic team of Miller and Armstrong is known as an eco-activist (that would be Ben), and the skit isn’t necessarily poking fun at the science but at the militant marketing, and over-the-top dogma.

[redgolum]

Funny thing is the news just said it was the warmest year on record in Germany. Right after they reported that they have been having quite the winter.