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Jury Convicts Army 'Birther' Who Refused Deployment to Afghanistan
FoxNews.com ^ | 12/15/2010 | Staff

Posted on 12/15/2010 12:54:18 PM PST by OldDeckHand

A military jury has convicted an Army doctor who disobeyed orders to deploy to Afghanistan because he questions President Obama's eligibility for office.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government
KEYWORDS: army; certifigate; didnttakelong; fgsitsnotpalin; lakin; military; naturalborncitizen; notaboutpalin; obama; palin; ucmj
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To: wintertime

Whatever else Obama is, he’s not a moron. Only a moron would throw away the advantage of having the Birthers stirred up and getting into the media as an embarrassment to sane conservatives.


321 posted on 12/16/2010 7:05:14 AM PST by tricksy
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To: wintertime
Obama doesn't release them because he can't.

Even if this Birther nonsense were true, why on earth would you think that the President of the United States can't find somebody capable of creating a convincing forgery? That's Black Ops 101 stuff.

322 posted on 12/16/2010 7:07:35 AM PST by tricksy
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

Even more ludicrously, this “dual citizens can’t be President” argument would give every two-bit dictator on earth a veto over our Presidential elections (they could just make the winner a citizen of Crapholistan with the stroke of a pen).


323 posted on 12/16/2010 7:10:55 AM PST by tricksy
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To: Yet_Again
The doctrine that military personnel are not required to obey unlawful orders applies to orders to actively do some unlawful act (e.g. if an officer orders his troops to murder the local civilians, a la the My Lai Massacre, the troops are required to reject that order). It does not provide a get-out-of-jail-free card for an order that is (arguably) technically defective but does not require the performance of an unlawful act.

Obviously, reporting for duty in Afghanistan is not an unlawful act. Lakin would be out of luck even if the Birther foolishness somehow turned out to be true.

324 posted on 12/16/2010 7:17:19 AM PST by tricksy
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To: sometime lurker
I left off a lot that was irrelevant. Madison makes clear that the jus sanguinis is irrelevant in his opinion: “place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States; it will therefore be unnecessary to investigate any other.”

It wasn't irrelevant. Madison said place is the most CERTAIN criterion. That doesn't mean it's the ONLY criterion, especially not in terms of natural born citizenship, which is what he was talking about when he says birthright in the very next sentence.

325 posted on 12/16/2010 7:17:41 AM PST by edge919
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To: Mr Rogers
No. He was CHARGED with missing a specific movement and disobeying orders, but we also know the goal was to eventually deploy.

A goal?? This is too funny. Now we're going to hold Lakin accountable for a goal instead of reality. Whatevah.

326 posted on 12/16/2010 7:20:21 AM PST by edge919
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To: Hodar

Good point. McCain may have been too much of a Mr. Nice Guy to raise the issue, but Hillary would have roasted Obama alive if there had actually been a fire (as opposed to just a lot of smoke) with which to do it.


327 posted on 12/16/2010 7:21:25 AM PST by tricksy
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To: tricksy
Whatever else Obama is, he’s not a moron. Only a moron would throw away the advantage of having the Birthers stirred up and getting into the media as an embarrassment to sane conservatives.

President Stitch Lips got 'shellacked' in this last election (his own words). This idea that so-called 'birthers' help Democrats and hurts Republicans is not borne out in real life. It's not a winning issue for the resident of the White House.

328 posted on 12/16/2010 7:23:02 AM PST by edge919
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To: Drew68

I disagree.

Dobson had TWO WEEKS notice to deploy. Not two hours, not two days.

He was obviously already on a list for call out.

He was already in country for a few days when the mass casualty event took place.

He is already a doctor, trained as a military physician, in emergency tyoe situations.

What was he not prepared for?

We also find he had to leave a two year old child behind.

Join the crowd, pal.

His wife is in the service as well and got a Bronze Star. Great. But what we have is two parents who are already deployed and on a list to be deployed. That’s their choice.

I contend that neither of the circumstance they testified to had a direct cause and effect relationship to Lakin not deploying. There were no extraordinary circumstances they faced that are not faced by thousands and thousands already in the service or in the reserves.

To me, it was piling on. And still irrelevant.

Lakin was a Lt. Colonel, not Gen. Petraeus for God’s sake.


329 posted on 12/16/2010 7:26:21 AM PST by exit82 (Democrats are the enemy of freedom. Sarah Palin is our Esther.)
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To: tricksy
McCain may have been too much of a Mr. Nice Guy to raise the issue, but Hillary would have roasted Obama alive if there had actually been a fire (as opposed to just a lot of smoke) with which to do it.

Let's keep in mind that President Stitch Lips did not release his jpg of an alleged birth certificate until AFTER Hillary conceded the primary. By the time it was realized the BC was most likely fraudulent, it was too late for Hillary. She would have been roasted alive as a sour-grapes racist. She was bought out with the SecState position. McCain was the recipient of a quid-pro-quo, albeit, unnecessary resolution declaring him eligible for office. He couldn't challenge the Kenyan without fear of being branded ineligible himself.

330 posted on 12/16/2010 7:28:08 AM PST by edge919
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To: Pilsner
Are you bothered in the least that your line of, err, "reasoning" deprives Americans of the right to decide just who is, or is not, a natural born citizen, and vests that right with the foreign power that someone's father was born under?
Especially when that foreign power is the British Parliament at Westminster, making rules about far away people whom it held in colonial subjugation? Do you really think that the men who drafted the United States Constitution wanted Parliament in Westminster to decide who could be President of the United States?

As I noted above, this stupid Birther argument gives every foreign government veto power over out Presidential elections. Any two-bit tinhorn tyrant -- Kim Jong (Mentally)Il, Mahmoud Imanutjob, any of them -- could make the President-elect "ineligible" with the stroke of a pen.

331 posted on 12/16/2010 7:30:26 AM PST by tricksy
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To: Red Steel
Your Obama will one day be found to be in violation of the US Constitution.

The Great Pumpkin will rise up out of the pumpkin patch with the proof that he was born in Kenya!

332 posted on 12/16/2010 7:34:00 AM PST by tricksy
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Hasn’t Mr. Issa said he will not investigate Obama but “others”?


333 posted on 12/16/2010 7:41:45 AM PST by Theodore R. (Rush was right when he said America may survive Obama but not the Obama supporters.)
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To: tricksy
As I noted above, this stupid Birther argument gives every foreign government veto power over out Presidential elections. Any two-bit tinhorn tyrant -- Kim Jong (Mentally)Il, Mahmoud Imanutjob, any of them -- could make the President-elect "ineligible" with the stroke of a pen.

Sorry, but it's an absurd argument. Being born to a foreign national who does not immigrate to the United States bequeaths a real and reasonable birthright of foreign citizenship to a child. It would be recognized legitimately through international law and/or by treaty. Stitch Lips was not born a British-Kenyan citizen by some arbitrary declaration in a random foreign country.

334 posted on 12/16/2010 7:42:12 AM PST by edge919
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To: tricksy
The Great Pumpkin will rise up out of the pumpkin patch with the proof that he was born in Kenya!

Are we talking about Michelle L. Obama?? She's already said Kenya was her husband's home country.

335 posted on 12/16/2010 7:43:22 AM PST by edge919
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To: edge919
We've been told that Lakin was never actually ordered to deploy, so nobody missed anything because of Lakin. Also, let's ignore the warnings that Lakin gave well in advance of disobeying orders

If he was never given the order, how could he have disobeyed it? Your argument reminds me of a joke about a defense lawyer in a rental-car damage case. First, he told the court that his client had never rented the car in question. Second, he told the court that the car was already damaged when his client took possession. Third, he told the court that the car was in perfect condition when his client returned it.

336 posted on 12/16/2010 7:44:31 AM PST by tricksy
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To: marstegreg
That is why I keep coming back to this sight, everyone is so wonderful. There are other sites that would have eaten me for lunch.

Just don't ask a Romney question. :)

337 posted on 12/16/2010 7:57:51 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: edge919
This idea that so-called 'birthers' help Democrats and hurts Republicans is not borne out in real life. It's not a winning issue for the resident of the White House.

Republicans won an historical landslide. How many of the candidates ran on birtherism? None. The truth is, there were a couple that got branded with the birtherism label, but immediately took steps to publicly distance themselves from the issue. They wanted nothing to do with it.

338 posted on 12/16/2010 8:02:56 AM PST by Tex-Con-Man
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To: Mr Rogers
For all but forty-four people in our nation’s history (the forty-four Presidents), the dichotomy between who is a natural born citizen and who is a naturalized citizen under the Fourteenth Amendment is irrelevant. The issue addressed in Wong Kim Ark was whether Mr. Wong Kim Ark was a citizen of the United States on the basis that he was born in the United States.

Sounds crystal clear to me, we only need to know if a Presidential candidate is a Natural Born Citizen to fulfill the requirements in the Constitution, Obama has never done that to the degree of certainty that has persuaded almost half of our country that believes that he is not eligible.

and all it would take is his original birth certificate....

339 posted on 12/16/2010 8:03:46 AM PST by usmcobra (.Islam: providing Live Targets for United States Marines since 1786!)
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To: tricksy
If he was never given the order, how could he have disobeyed it?

Read what I wrote. Lakin was not ordered to deploy. He disobeyed other orders, one of which was to report to Fort Campbell, Kentucky, not Afghanistan. I apologize if English is your second language.

340 posted on 12/16/2010 8:20:23 AM PST by edge919
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