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Players worry about safety of frozen field
Minneapolis StarTribune ^ | 12/15/10 | JUDD ZULGAD

Posted on 12/15/2010 10:25:44 PM PST by OneVike

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Faced with the prospect of playing on a frozen field Monday night at TCF Bank Stadium and so far not given a voice in the decision, Vikings players shared some of their concerns on Wednesday.

"I just hope it's a safe environment to play in," tight end Visanthe Shiancoe said. "That it's not going to be hazardous to the players when it comes to field conditions."

Vikings owner Zygi Wilf expressed optimism that the game against the Chicago Bears can be held on the University of Minnesota campus, but nothing has been made official and there clearly are obstacles and concerns that have to be overcome.

Among them is the fact that the FieldTurf at TCF Bank Stadium is not equipped with heating coils in the sod, as cold-weather venues such as Soldier Field in Chicago or Lambeau Field in Green Bay are. That means that even with the plan to remove all the ice from the field before Monday, there almost certainly will be areas that freeze again once the game begins.

The National Weather Service calls for a high of 17 on Monday with a slight chance of snow and then a low around 5 degrees at night. Another forecast calls for the low to be zero.

"Is that really a home-field advantage for us? That's the question," Shiancoe said. "But at the same time, we have to go out there and play, and we'll play hard."

Linebacker Ben Leber, one of the Vikings' assistant player representatives, said he has not been asked about the choice of venue.

"They haven't consulted us, and to my understanding they haven't consulted anybody," Leber said. "I talked to a few guys, and nobody has been asked what our opinion is.

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(Real Vikings, who were not afraid of cold, mud, or frozen turf.
Notice that Joe Kapp is wearing a short sleeve jersey)

Watching the accompanying video made me mad to begin with because the friggin reporters were making excuses for these overpaid useless jokes of the grid iron. I am registered as chicovike with the Star Tribune, and below is the comment I left about this story. I formatted my comment here, I did for the paper also but when it was posted it wasn't formatted.

I am getting real tired of a bunch of multimillionaire pansy's, constantly complaining about having to play a game they chose to play. When I am told by my boss that I need to do something that is well withing the parameters of my job description, I do it without complaining.

Millions of Americans wish they had any job to go to, and you guys want to bitch about a little cold you have to deal with for less then 3 hours. What about the fans who pay your salary? I don't hear them complaining about the cold, but all I hear anymore is you lazy multimillionaires complaining about everything. Think about the men who laid everything on the line for pennys compared to you as they built this league. Now you guys get to live the life of kings while complaining about a sore toe. Tell that to the original Purple People eaters who played in short sleeve shirts without bench warmers.

I'll tell you what you pampered pansys need to do. When your sitting inside the warm locker room and hearing the fans over the loud speakers cheering the old men who played the game the way it was invented to play, I would advise you wimps to take off your helmets and bow your head in shame. You have not proved to this old Viking fan that you men deserve to be called Vikings yet, let alone be associated with the men I watched play when I was younger.

You guys are just a bunch of wanna-be Vikings. Any Viking player that is afraid to play the game outside in the snow on frozen dirt, makes me sick and ashamed to be a Viking fan! Stop your sniveling and keep your disappointment to your self like a real man would. Then, when the game is over, win or lose, I expect you guys to cheer the fans who have paid with their hearts as they watched and waited for over a quarter of a century to see their team play a game outside at home again.


1 posted on 12/15/2010 10:25:48 PM PST by OneVike
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To: OneVike

I guess they didn’t like my comment because it is not posted anymore. Interesting, it seems they dislike the truth. Not that I am surprised though.


2 posted on 12/15/2010 10:29:27 PM PST by OneVike (Just another Christian waiting to go home)
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To: OneVike

This is just another example of why I haven’t watched NFL football for years.

Guys used to play with broken arms. Now, they fret about a frozen field. It’s a disgrace.


3 posted on 12/15/2010 10:29:47 PM PST by B Knotts (Just another Tenther)
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To: OneVike

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUk16I4Vg5w

Here’s a good video (or part of one) recalling the 1969 season and playing in the snow. (Bud Grant, no heaters, shoveling snow off the hash marks, etc.)


4 posted on 12/15/2010 10:30:02 PM PST by 21twelve ( You can go from boom to bust, from dreams to a bowl of dust ... another lost generation.)
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To: OneVike

I re-posted my comment, It’ll be interesting to see how long it takes for them to remove it sand probably ban me for re-posting it.


5 posted on 12/15/2010 10:34:53 PM PST by OneVike (Just another Christian waiting to go home)
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To: 21twelve

I remember the days well.


6 posted on 12/15/2010 10:35:50 PM PST by OneVike (Just another Christian waiting to go home)
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To: OneVike

What a bunch of pussies.


7 posted on 12/15/2010 10:36:44 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: OneVike

Bud Grant cannot be pleased. He didn’t even allow heat blowers on the sidelines.


8 posted on 12/15/2010 10:36:59 PM PST by AU72
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To: AU72

I am amending my tag-line to reflect my shame. It will fit well with the flag in my yard that still fly’s at half mast.


9 posted on 12/15/2010 10:40:04 PM PST by OneVike (An ashamed Viking fan, and a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: OneVike

That was one heck of a good rant that I completely agree.

My first thought was, “ suck it up boys, you’re football players and the greats before you played on frozen fields in the winter. Deal with it.”


10 posted on 12/15/2010 10:40:07 PM PST by A message
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To: OneVike

It really doesn’t matter if they play anymore this year. I’m OK if they want to play in the plastic balls at Chucky Cheese. No need to film it. Call the Lions and keep them warm too.


11 posted on 12/15/2010 10:43:04 PM PST by liberty or death
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To: OneVike

The Patriots,Bears and Packers play in those conditions all the time.What’s the problem?


12 posted on 12/15/2010 10:43:28 PM PST by taxtruth (Don't end the fed,jail the fed!)
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To: OneVike

13 posted on 12/15/2010 10:44:10 PM PST by jessduntno (Want US national secrets safe? Store them with Obama's transcripts and birth certificate.)
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To: AU72
I am very tempted to root for the Bears to come into Minnesota to kick the Vikings butt. Then rub their faces into the fro=zen turf like a bully does to wimps who have no business being outside when the real men come out to play.


Have I shared with you my disgust with these losers?

Is it any wonder that over 60% of NFL players supported Obama?
14 posted on 12/15/2010 10:45:07 PM PST by OneVike (An ashamed Viking fan, and a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: OneVike

Zygi Wilf?????????


15 posted on 12/15/2010 10:45:58 PM PST by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: OneVike

These wimps! Did the Viking ships have air conditioning? MAN UP Shiancoe!


16 posted on 12/15/2010 10:48:20 PM PST by montag813 (http://www.facebook.com/StandWithArizona)
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To: B Knotts

Sounds like SUPER BOWL weather to me! Cut out the Miami and San Diego nonsense and let’s play a REAL football championship!;)


17 posted on 12/15/2010 10:49:13 PM PST by Frank_2001
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To: A message

Thanks, it felt good to get it out. They still have my second one posted, they removed my first comment, but after re-posting it it’s still there.


18 posted on 12/15/2010 10:49:13 PM PST by OneVike (An ashamed Viking fan, and a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: B Knotts
"This is just another example of why I haven’t watched NFL football for years."

Roger that!
Remember when defense was more important than show boat dances in the end zone and down field blocking got more cheers than dread lock hair covering the shoulder pads?

19 posted on 12/15/2010 10:50:10 PM PST by Baynative (Truth is treason in an empire of lies)
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To: taxtruth

Sorry guys,I forgot the Bills also who play in very cold weather.


20 posted on 12/15/2010 10:51:03 PM PST by taxtruth (Don't end the fed,jail the fed!)
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To: OneVike

I agree with you. Back in the day(when I was young)they played all football games out doors and in any weather. The wimps they have playing ball today are really a bunch of over paid pussies.


21 posted on 12/15/2010 10:51:08 PM PST by calex59
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To: OneVike

I watched the Division 2 Semifinals Saturday night played at night in Duluth. University of Minnesota Duluth beat Northwest Missouri in 2 degree temp with about a 30 mile wind. They did it because they love the game and these guys are worried. although they make a ton of money tired of their compaining.


22 posted on 12/15/2010 10:51:30 PM PST by Delphster
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To: Frank_2001

New York hosts the Super Bowl in 2014.

It’s outdoors.


23 posted on 12/15/2010 10:56:35 PM PST by Ultra Sonic 007 (To view the FR@Alabama ping list, click on my profile!)
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To: OneVike


Heating coils?

24 posted on 12/15/2010 10:56:42 PM PST by BIGLOOK (Keelhaul Congress!)
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To: BIGLOOK
Pictures like that make my eyes water with nostalgic pride. Where have all the real men gone?

No balls, no glory, and sadly most men in America lack both today.

Is it any wonder that the boldest person in American politics is a woman from Alaska?
25 posted on 12/15/2010 11:01:00 PM PST by OneVike (An ashamed Viking fan, and a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: taxtruth

cincinatti,pittsburgh and cleveland also


26 posted on 12/15/2010 11:05:17 PM PST by CONSERVE
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To: OneVike

Ice Bowl :) Great pic and post.


27 posted on 12/15/2010 11:07:42 PM PST by bushwon ("If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait till it is free"--PJ O'rourke)
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To: Delphster
I watched the Division 2 Semifinals Saturday night played at night in Duluth.

I grew up in Duluth. I fondly remember getting my head pile driven into a frozen ground by a defensive back from Central High. I went to Morgan Park before they changed it to all elementary.

By the way, I fumbled the ball and we lost the game, but my friends all cheered when I lined up on defense as a corner on the very next play.
28 posted on 12/15/2010 11:09:46 PM PST by OneVike (An ashamed Viking fan, and a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: OneVike

“Is it any wonder that over 60% of NFL players supported Obama?”

Probably has more to do with the black NFL players voting for Obama. Wonder what the percentages are in the NFL as for black players, white players? I would guess at least 60% are black.


29 posted on 12/15/2010 11:18:38 PM PST by Cedar
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To: OneVike

Great rant. ...and photo.

Notice Merlin Olsen (RIP) #74 of the Rams.


30 posted on 12/15/2010 11:23:35 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Cedar

Good point, but I know for a fact that a lot of white players are also very liberal.


31 posted on 12/15/2010 11:24:02 PM PST by OneVike (An ashamed Viking fan, and a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: All

They deleted my comment again. It had 5 of 5 people that agreed with it also. I guess they really dislike the truth.


32 posted on 12/15/2010 11:28:03 PM PST by OneVike (An ashamed Viking fan, and a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: OneVike

Granted, the Star-Tribute only quotes three Vikings in this article (including the wimpy kicker who partipates in about eight plays and spends the rest of the game on a heated seat), I can’t help but think this lot of Vikings are so much softer than the old Bud Grant teams. When the Vikings played home games outdoors, they went to four Super Bowls. Since they moved to the Metrodome, they’ve been to none.


33 posted on 12/15/2010 11:28:21 PM PST by Right_Wing_Madman
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To: OneVike

Freezing conditions, in winter. Where is Algore. I need to ask him some questions.


34 posted on 12/15/2010 11:28:45 PM PST by matt04
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To: OneVike
Summerall had to pace off the distance down the sidelines for that kick since all the yard markers were covered with snow. The '67 NFL Championship game between Green Bay and Dallas is written in history as the greatest game.....known as the Ice Bowl. Last weekend the Pats took on the Bears at home in the snow and weather be damned, thumped 'em.

But to hear this from the Vikings? They no longer deserve to be in the Black and Blue Division. Maybe they should try beach volley ball.
35 posted on 12/15/2010 11:29:05 PM PST by BIGLOOK (Keelhaul Congress!)
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To: Mr. Mojo

Yes I did. He was one of my all time favorite players.


36 posted on 12/15/2010 11:29:19 PM PST by OneVike (An ashamed Viking fan, and a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: OneVike

I re-posted my comment for a third time there. I bet they delete it again.


37 posted on 12/15/2010 11:35:25 PM PST by OneVike (An ashamed Viking fan, and a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: OneVike
"I just hope it's a safe environment to play in," tight end Visanthe Shiancoe said. "That it's not going to be hazardous to the players when it comes to field conditions."

Effing pussies. Take that as a broad brush against the entire NFL, not just the Vikings.

I'm beginning to hope there is a strike next year.

38 posted on 12/15/2010 11:35:36 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (Barack Obama = The Captain Norman Dike of presidents)
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To: OneVike

39 posted on 12/15/2010 11:37:27 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (Barack Obama = The Captain Norman Dike of presidents)
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To: B Knotts

“Guys used to play with broken arms.”

That’s why it will be a shame to see Brett Favre go. He was one of the last to have that attitude.


40 posted on 12/15/2010 11:40:52 PM PST by Strk321
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To: OneVike

boy, how football has changed...


41 posted on 12/15/2010 11:45:09 PM PST by IOWAfan (Iowa Hawkeye Football Fanatic)
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To: Frank_2001

Well, they did schedule a SB for the new Giants Stadium. A lot of fans raised hell about it.

How about the 1948 NFL Championship where the Eagles beat the Cardinals 7-0? Played in a snow blizzard at Shibe Park and also the first NFL championship to be televised.

http://www.threedonia.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/vanburen1_sw_580.jpg


42 posted on 12/15/2010 11:45:29 PM PST by Strk321
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To: Right_Wing_Madman

“When the Vikings played home games outdoors, they went to four Super Bowls. Since they moved to the Metrodome, they’ve been to none.”

That’s right. In addition, all the NFL dynasties (Packers, Steelers, 49ers, Cowboys, and Patriots) played in the open air.


43 posted on 12/15/2010 11:49:09 PM PST by Strk321
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To: 21twelve

Watched it. Good one.


44 posted on 12/15/2010 11:51:56 PM PST by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience.)
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To: buccaneer81
What a bunch of pussies.

...as you prepare to watch the game from your living room, a throw across your lap and a log or two on the fire.

Me, I'll be watching the game with all the windows in the house wide open wearing a t-shirt and shorts. No blanket. No coat. Heck, I might even take my shirt off.

45 posted on 12/15/2010 11:56:26 PM PST by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience.)
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To: VeniVidiVici

Since this is going to be a throwback ‘70s game, watching in high definition will be a no-no. Ideally, it should be viewed on a period TV.

http://s559.photobucket.com/albums/ss33/RCADimensia/?action=view&current=PA250344.jpg


46 posted on 12/15/2010 11:59:55 PM PST by Strk321
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“Guys used to play with broken arms.”
That’s why it will be a shame to see Brett Favre go. He was one of the last to have that attitude.

Why can't they just let Brett throw interceptions with his one good arm?

47 posted on 12/16/2010 12:37:44 AM PST by FDNYRHEROES (In just His first 3 days, the War on Terror became the War on Free Speech.)
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To: FDNYRHEROES

They don’t have any good choice for QB in this game.

Favre probably won’t play, although he hasn’t ruled himself out.


48 posted on 12/16/2010 12:49:00 AM PST by Strk321
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49 posted on 12/16/2010 1:51:48 AM PST by MplsSteve (Governor Mark Dayton? That's so incredibly alarming, don't you think?)
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To: Strk321
Since this is going to be a throwback ‘70s game, watching in high definition will be a no-no. Ideally, it should be viewed on a period TV.

You had a TV?

When I was a kid there were no worries about what to where or how cold it was going to be at a Redskins game. Could never get tickets. Every year, year after year all the tickets were spoken for before the season started.

Moved away in 1979 and haven't tried since.

50 posted on 12/16/2010 2:11:06 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (Barack Obama = The Captain Norman Dike of presidents)
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