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Mexico Says its Troops Killed US Man (US Tourist)
Yahoo News ^ | 12/25/2010 | Yahoo News

Posted on 12/25/2010 11:20:03 AM PST by Dallas59

MEXICO CITY – Joseph Proctor told his girlfriend he was popping out to the convenience store in the quiet Mexican beach town where the couple had just moved, intending to start a new life.

The next morning, the 32-year-old New York native was dead inside his crashed van on a road outside Acapulco. He had multiple bullet wounds. An AR-15 rifle lay in his hands.

His distraught girlfriend, Liliana Gil Vargas, was summoned to police headquarters, where she was told Proctor had died in a gunbattle with an army patrol. They claimed Proctor — whose green van had a for-sale sign and his cell phone number spray-painted on the windows — had attacked the troops. They showed her the gun.

His mother, Donna Proctor, devastated and incredulous, has been fighting through Mexico's secretive military justice system ever since to learn what really happened on the night of Aug. 22.

It took weeks of pressuring U.S. diplomats and congressmen for help, but she finally got an answer, which she shared with The Associated Press.

Three soldiers have been charged with killing her son. Two have been charged with planting the assault rifle in his hands and claiming falsely that he fired first, according to a Mexican Defense Department document sent to her through the U.S. Embassy in Mexico City.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: mexico; murderd; tourist
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But lets sue US States for upholding US immigration laws.
1 posted on 12/25/2010 11:20:06 AM PST by Dallas59
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To: Dallas59

They haven’t accused her yet???


2 posted on 12/25/2010 11:26:56 AM PST by Gadsden1st
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To: Dallas59
apparently he was not a tourist, but an ex-patriot attempting to flee government tyranny in the USA

out of the frying pan into a fire

3 posted on 12/25/2010 11:27:32 AM PST by KTM rider ( patriot turned rebel)
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To: KTM rider

How stupid would you have to be to move to Mexico? I mean really..


4 posted on 12/25/2010 11:34:26 AM PST by Mmogamer (I refudiate the lamestream media, leftists and their prevaricutions.)
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To: Dallas59

You would have to be insane or stupid to move to Mexico.


5 posted on 12/25/2010 11:39:53 AM PST by ladyvet
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To: Mmogamer
There are a number of American citizens that have not survived their interaction with Mexican locals. There is a very short list of reasons why they are there.

OK, looking for work is not on the list. Neither is jet skiing over the border to look at a church.

6 posted on 12/25/2010 11:40:10 AM PST by gandalftb (OK State, 10-2, Go #14 Cowboys! Valero Alamo Bowl 12/29 Beat AZ!)
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To: Dallas59

If you have trouble telling who the criminals are in Mexico, don’t go there. If you think you can tell who the criminals are in Mexico, you are way too naive to go there.


7 posted on 12/25/2010 11:45:51 AM PST by pallis
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To: Mmogamer

I watch the tv show “HouseHunters International” and am always in total aw of the places people buy in Central/South America and around the Caribbean Islands. All of those places are hello-holes for the most part, and up for grabs according to who is currently in power. And, not t mention that you take your life in hand each time you step out the door...


8 posted on 12/25/2010 11:48:20 AM PST by devane617 (NEVER feed your cats canned Tuna fish. Mercury poisoning.)
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To: KTM rider
Ex-patriot fleeing tyranny? Give us a break.

He moved to Mexico to follow his girlfriend.

9 posted on 12/25/2010 11:52:36 AM PST by wideawake
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To: ladyvet
You would have to be insane or stupid to move to Mexico.
We used to go diving in San Carlos, Guaymas, Kino Bay and La Paz. Mexico is a beautiful country that has been absolutely ruined. I have no plans to step across the border ever again. Cuidad Juarez has turned into a war zone, as have most of the major cities.
10 posted on 12/25/2010 11:52:50 AM PST by wjcsux ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: KTM rider
"ex-patriot" Did you mean expatriate?
11 posted on 12/25/2010 11:56:31 AM PST by John Leland 1789 (GratefulWhich scriptures were used in "the Apostles' ministries?)
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To: wjcsux
Photobucket

Near this place?

12 posted on 12/25/2010 12:03:22 PM PST by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: Dallas59

huge mistake to travel to that s+++ hole south of the border for any reason


13 posted on 12/25/2010 12:03:56 PM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: devane617
I watch the tv show “HouseHunters International”

I love that show! But yeah, I agree that sometimes I find myself genuinely hoping the new homeowners will be ok in their new environs.

14 posted on 12/25/2010 12:05:01 PM PST by KJC1
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To: Mmogamer

Or even go there.


15 posted on 12/25/2010 12:14:01 PM PST by uscabjd
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To: chicagolady

Rose, this is the kinda stuff I’m talking about. Add this to your file.


16 posted on 12/25/2010 12:15:37 PM PST by mosesdapoet ("To punish a province Let it be ruled by a professor " Frederick The Great paraphrased)
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To: Dallas59

If he was one of the relatives related to one of the swine liberals in DC the border would be enforced fully the next day.


17 posted on 12/25/2010 12:16:35 PM PST by tflabo
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To: KJC1
Re: House Hunters International

They never discuss the e-coli count of the beautiful water spread out in front of those international houses.

My husband and I spent 6 months in Costa Rica. One weekend we took a trip up to Lake Arenal. It just so happened that at the bus station the leading newspaper had a huge headline that read, “ E-Coli, High Levels, Lake Arenal”.

My husband and I are still laughing about that one! :-) It was just a mile or two up from the hotel where we were staying.

We were there during the TLC vote that would approve free trade with the U.S. I was **shocked** at the outright Marxist propaganda promoted on the TV and in the newspapers arguing against free trade. TLC passed by a razor thin margin.

Anyone who buys property in Costa Rica is NUTZ! That country could turn completely Marxist in one election...and then...GOOD BYE! property rights!

Our goal was to learn Spanish. We lived with Costa Rican families and attended language school daily. We read Spanish almost as well as English and speak and understand the language on what the schools consider to be the highest level. We studied the Costa Rican newspaper reports carefully and thoroughly every day.

18 posted on 12/25/2010 12:20:09 PM PST by wintertime (Re: Obama, Rush Limbaugh said, "He was born here." ( So? Where's the proof?))
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To: Dallas59

With all due respect to the deceased Mr. Proctor, ya gotta seriously question the intellect of anyone that would voluntarily move to a third world hell hole filled with killers and thugs. No, I mean Mexico.


20 posted on 12/25/2010 12:35:27 PM PST by upchuck (When excerpting please use the entire 300 words we are allowed. No more one or two sentence posts!)
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To: Dallas59

BS, First off I can not imagine anyone giving up an AR 15, as a throw down, in a country where firearms are illegal in the first place.This story stinks!


21 posted on 12/25/2010 12:44:07 PM PST by eastforker (Visit me at http://www.eastforker.com)
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To: devane617

I understand that feeling, and and I know it is shared by many. That said, I have to add that while I can’t speak for life in many Latin American countries, I can for Honduras. I own a home there and live there about six months out of the year. It is a wonderful, peaceful country with very warm and friendly people. In 2009, they fought off a attempt by Obama and Chavez to communize their country. So, they are courageous, as well as friendly.


22 posted on 12/25/2010 12:51:17 PM PST by hampdenkid
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To: Dallas59

But lets sue US States for upholding US immigration laws.


Its called changing the subject. They can’t control their own country, but they make a big whup whenever an [illegal] Mexican here is picked up for jaywalking.


23 posted on 12/25/2010 1:03:02 PM PST by rbg81 (When you see Obama, shout: "DO YOUR JOB!!")
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To: Dallas59

MSN is pimping Puerto Vallarta and other ‘exotic’ Central and South American locations as great places to retire today. I guess it depends what you are looking for in retirement. If a long and healthy life is one of the things, perhaps Ft. Lauderdale isn’t so bad after all.


24 posted on 12/25/2010 1:03:38 PM PST by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: eastforker
BS, First off I can not imagine anyone giving up an AR 15, as a throw down, in a country where firearms are illegal in the first place.This story stinks!

It's the Army, though. Doesn't sound like they really lost anything if they threw it down just long enough to take a bunch of crime-scene photos and have it waved around with a tag on it in a courtroom.

25 posted on 12/25/2010 1:13:46 PM PST by Riley (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: Dallas59

It could’ve been me. Someone’s suggested a trip to Mehico as a cure for my blues...


26 posted on 12/25/2010 1:17:20 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Mmogamer

‘How stupid would you have to be to move to Mexico?”

Wonderfully stupid.
So stupid your stupidity can only be measured on a quantum level.


27 posted on 12/25/2010 1:23:49 PM PST by Salamander (Can't sleep....the clowns will eat me.)
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To: devane617
I watch the tv show “HouseHunters International” and am always in total aw of the places people buy in Central/South America and around the Caribbean Islands.

We just watched one few days ago about some obvious gringos seeking a second home in Nicaragua which showed goose-stepping soldiers - get a clue!

28 posted on 12/25/2010 1:26:32 PM PST by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius, (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: pallis
We went to a nice classical Mexican restaurant (had a Marine drinking directly out of a bodega held overhead by a couple of half nekkid women) over in TJ City. Did some shopping. Went home.

About a month later the federales who'd been parked closest to that restaurant murdered one of the Vice Presidential candidates in the upcoming Presidential elections.

Nice place (/s).

29 posted on 12/25/2010 1:48:14 PM PST by muawiyah
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Bodega?
I assume you mean Bota.
In what Mexican city was this great "classic" Mexican restaurant?
30 posted on 12/25/2010 1:59:39 PM PST by Publius6961 ("In 1964 the War on Poverty Began --- Poverty won.")
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To: eastforker
Mexico is awash in arms, especially AR-15/M-15s.

The mexican army provides the cartels all the arms they need, and almost all the officer and leadership in the army are in the pay of the cartels. Mexico is a third-world cesspool of lying putrid crap.

Not rare for weapons to be planted by the army, and others, nothwitshatmdoing ownership of a firearm is “illegal.” Yeah, right. . .like THAT has anything to do with criminals having access to weapons..

31 posted on 12/25/2010 2:01:15 PM PST by Hulka
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To: Publius6961

TJ City ~ next door to National City!


32 posted on 12/25/2010 2:11:33 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Dallas59

What are these corrupt soldiers in corrupt Mexico doing? Just practicing killing?


33 posted on 12/25/2010 2:12:59 PM PST by luvbach1 (Stop Barry now. He can't help himself.)
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To: Publius6961
Both wrong words ~ unless there's something about drinking out of a boot I don't know about.

He had this big ol'bottle with a leather holder around the base being held up over him and he was drinking wine, or whatever, without benefit of a glass.

Class place fella', class place!

34 posted on 12/25/2010 2:17:29 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Dallas59

When we took weekend leave from Camp Pendleton and travelled to Mexico we were armed. Got out of one hairy situation in Tijuana by leveling our weapons at the banditos. From what I’m reading, I wouldn’t go back to Mexico today without a platoon of heavily armed Marines.


35 posted on 12/25/2010 3:15:02 PM PST by sergeantdave
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To: Dallas59

Gotta love all the ignorant posts about ‘Mexico’ - and being ‘insane’ to move there... Well I have a house there, and where I live, it’s a damn sight safer than Trenton, or DC, or Detroit, And an awful lot like living in Scottsdale AZ, except I have 1 ocean in walking distance, and another less than an hour away.. Mexico spans about the same distance as from Anchorage to Atlanta, and about 90% of it is no more dangerous than the street you live on.


36 posted on 12/25/2010 3:17:07 PM PST by snarkbait (<<For Rent>>)
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To: Dallas59

He must not have known to pay off the banditos in uniform.

Move to a war zone in a 3rd world criminal enterprise, and bad things WILL happen.


37 posted on 12/25/2010 3:18:22 PM PST by PAR35
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To: devane617

I’ve seen the TV series a few times myself. The series makes these places sound and look so exotic and reasonably priced, but they NEVER discuss the political climate or risks involved. It gives me the chills just watching after the family makes the purchase and settles in, listening to how pleased they are living as expat Americans or Brits. Really they all seem to be politically tone deaf and oblivious to global conflict. Almost a 9/10 mentality. It’s eerie. Total denial. And you just know they don’t own any firearms to protect themselves with. All they care about is how much house their money will buy and is it close enough to where they have to go to work. And how much rehabbing they are going to have to do. Holy cow.


38 posted on 12/25/2010 3:53:16 PM PST by 4Runner
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To: wjcsux

I did Guaymas many, many years ago on a spring break and it was the wild west back then. I can’t imagine what its like today.


39 posted on 12/25/2010 4:16:32 PM PST by Recon Dad ( "Don't forget, incoming fire has the right of way")
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To: snarkbait

“Mexico spans about the same distance as from Anchorage to Atlanta,”
You must be using an Aztlan or New World Order map.
http://www.map-of-north-america.us/


40 posted on 12/25/2010 4:18:10 PM PST by tumblindice (Mexico: The World's Outhouse)
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To: upchuck

Having spent time in Mexico in many areas of the country and also spending time in Colombia, I’ll take Colombia in a New York second.


41 posted on 12/25/2010 4:19:38 PM PST by Recon Dad ( "Don't forget, incoming fire has the right of way")
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To: B.O. Plenty
the drug thugs out gun and out man the military and a large portion of the police, government officials and politicians are on the drug payroll. People have to be totally unconscious to venture any wheres near the border yet alone cross it.
42 posted on 12/25/2010 4:20:57 PM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: B.O. Plenty

Thousands of Americans living in Mexico get along real well. Sometimes, it gets SO BAD here, it is kind of like uh...maybe Detroit or Washington DC.


43 posted on 12/25/2010 4:23:17 PM PST by rovenstinez
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To: snarkbait
... I have 1 ocean in walking distance, and another less than an hour away.. Mexico spans about the same distance as from Anchorage to Atlanta...

How on Earth can you follow up the first sentence with the second and still try to be credible? Maybe if you take the square mileage of Mexico and convert it into a straight line.

45 posted on 12/25/2010 5:37:33 PM PST by infidel29 (Since 0bama is NOT a uniter, can we change the acronym to just plain P.O.S.?)
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To: infidel29
... I have 1 ocean in walking distance, and another less than an hour away.. Mexico spans about the same distance as from Anchorage to Atlanta...

The writer is full of it. The distance from Tijuana, Baja California to Merida, Yucatan is about 1900 miles. The distance from Anchorage to Atlanta is nearly twice as far, 3400 miles.

Source

46 posted on 12/25/2010 5:54:18 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: snarkbait
Mexico spans about the same distance as from Anchorage to Atlanta, and about 90% of it is no more dangerous than the street you live on.

It is 3400 miles, more-or-less, from Anchorage to Atlanta.

It is 1900 miles from Tijuana to Merida.

Try again.

47 posted on 12/25/2010 6:00:30 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: wintertime

>> “Anyone who buys property in Costa Rica is NUTZ!” <<

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I have a friend that has a bar in San Jose, and a ranch that straddles the ridge on the coast. He loves the place, and hates to come back to the US for business.

Another friend who was born there, but came to the US for high school, has been trying to get me to move down there. She is a bit of a leftist, as I recall.
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48 posted on 12/25/2010 6:21:10 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: editor-surveyor
I could see renting but **buying** land or a house? I don't see that as a good idea. The country is very closely divided between the Marxists and those who support capitalism. It could easily flip in any election.

What did your friend have to say about the TLC election and the blatant Marxist rhetoric used by the anti-free traders?

49 posted on 12/25/2010 6:26:14 PM PST by wintertime (Re: Obama, Rush Limbaugh said, "He was born here." ( So? Where's the proof?))
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To: editor-surveyor
How well does your friend who owns the bar and ranch speak and read Spanish? Does he read the newspapers daily?
50 posted on 12/25/2010 6:27:39 PM PST by wintertime (Re: Obama, Rush Limbaugh said, "He was born here." ( So? Where's the proof?))
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