Posted on 12/27/2010 2:39:52 PM PST by Michael van der Galien
Many people consider prostitution and pornography victimless crimes. This excuse deems both as sanctioned or permitted sex between two consenting adults. If this is true, why are many women and children trafficked and forced into sexual slavery? Why are many prostitutes victims of violent physical abuse and murder by those they work for? Further, if porn and prostitution are victimless crimes, why does the porn industry have an HIV/AIDS problem?
Those who view prostitution and porn as harmless sexual pleasure, say it’s no different than a man taking a woman out to dinner, spending the evening getting to know her as a potential girlfriend, and winding up in bed having sex. That is no different than paying a prostitute for the night? Every excuse is used to reach as far as possible in order to unearth more ways to declare porn and prostitution harmless and victimless.
Many consider prostitution and porn non-criminal, yet decry America’s history of slavery. What about sex slavery, which prostitution promotes? What about human trafficking, the selling of women and children’s bodies: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. Despite evidence, some call the industry empowering to women. Unless, of course, hookers and female porn stars receive less pay then men. In November, Salon quoted radical feminist Amanda Marcotte as saying:
The idea behind the ‘porn is empowering!’ argument is that women who work in porn gain power in a pragmatic way, playing by men’s rules, and feminists should support this for pragmatic reasons, because at the end of the day, women have more real power. And that would be a legitimate argument if the women involved had more power at the end of the day.
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It doesn’t - it was actually in support, albeit from a slightly different angle.
lol Ok sorry about that.
There is no difference. It's all sinful.
I agree whole-heartedly. I wasn’t advocating government interference.
Religion is the traditional method of addressing morality. Of course, obscenity has never been legal in this country because it demeans human beings and we were founded under the Christian paradigm. This degradation when allowed in public where young children are exposed to the demeaning of the body and sex, such as in the Weimar Republic, leads to a degradation that escalates into elimination, abortion and disregard for human life.
There is a reason why moral Christian people fought to end slavery (Wilberforce) and do great things in society. Societies flourished in all areas during moral revivals. It usually creates more freedom and rights and economic prosperity because of trust and loyalty.
The Founders knew that morality was essential for a free populous. When you demean people—make them into nothing but a commodity—you make it that much easier to kill them. That is what the Germans did to the Jews.
It is the slippery slope argument that has always proven true. Demeaning depiction of women and men reduce them to animals. That is Karl Marx’s idea—to destroy the natural family and create discord between all human beings to create no family loyalty and support so everyone would look to government for nanny care. No morality delivers the populous to Karl. He despised Christianity because it created respect for every individual and every life and created independence where there is no master but God. It is the American ideal.
No. It’s a movie the makers of south park did right out of college.
Simply meant to show that there’s a dark side to freedom, that people can do things that are morally objectionable and personally damaging. They should still be free to make choices.
I don’t believe that the majority of porn actors/actresses are in some sort of forced servitude nor were they coerced into it to start. Less so with prostitution but I doubt the majority.
If someone has validated stats to the contrary, I’d be interested.
As far as the "average hooker" being under 15, please point us to the source for that assertion.
I think you misunderstand. Ascertaining where the diamonds come from doesn’t matter according to your argument. Anyone who consumes pornography is complicit in the slave trade, even if the porn that’s being consumed comes from a legit source.
This is the same of the diamond trade. It doesn’t matter that the diamonds you buy come from legit sources, it’s the fact that you’re buying diamonds at all that keeps demand high. There would be no desire for conflict diamonds if there was no desire for any diamonds. So consuming any diamonds, even legit ones, makes one complicit in the conflict diamond trade. At least, according to your argument against pornography.
“Slaves are much happier if you refer to them as employees.”
Karl Marx
I don’t know if that quote was actually made my him but I saw that reference the other day.
All the best!
Given the volume of sex trafficking involved in prostitution, I'd say you're wrong.
Given the level of sex trafficking, it is absurd to assume sex is consensual in prostitution. The prostitution industry feeds off women in poverty in other nations and ships them off to nations with legalized prostitution.
Legalized prostitution, at a minimum, dramatically increases the number of children used as whores:
Another argument for legalizing prostitution in the Netherlands was that it would help end child prostitution. In reality, however, child prostitution in the Netherlands has increased dramatically during the 1990s. The Amsterdam-based ChildRight organization estimates that the number has gone from 4,000 children in 1996 to 15,000 in 2001. The group estimates that at least 5,000 of the children in prostitution are from other countries, with a large segment being Nigerian girls (Tiggeloven: 2001).
Child prostitution has dramatically risen in Victoria compared to other Australian states where prostitution has not been legalized. Of all the states and territories in Australia, the highest number of reported incidences of child prostitution came from Victoria. In a 1998 study undertaken by ECPAT (End Child Prostitution and Trafficking) who conducted research for the Australian National Inquiry on Child Prostitution, there was increased evidence of organized commercial exploitation of children.
Love your last line, Susie; of course, I think the master is always the same; he just wears different clothes.
You’re talking specifics....I stated “blanket”.
Same could said about the guys replacing my roof.
Your definition -- "Using the bodies of other people as a means to an end . . ." -- is simply, outrageously too big in scope and inclusion. It fits just about anybody who works with their muscles, including those who play professional sports.
http://www.justice.gov/criminal/ceos/prostitution.html
The trafficking section of this web page provides information on the international problem of cross-border transportation of children for sexual purposes. It is important to note that United States not only faces an influx of international victims of sex trafficking, but also the United States has its own homegrown problem of interstate sex trafficking of minors.
Although comprehensive research to document the number of children engaged in prostitution in the United States is lacking, it is estimated that about 293,000 American youth are currently at risk of becoming victims of commercial sexual exploitation. Richard J. Estes and Neil Alan Weiner, Commercial Sexual Exploitation of Children in the U.S, Canada and Mexico, University of Pennsylvania, Executive Summary at 11-12 (2001). The majority of American victims of commercial sexual exploitation tend to be runaway or thrown away youth who live on the streets who become victims of prostitution. Id. at 11-12. These children generally come from homes where they have been abused, or from families that have abandoned them, Richard J. Estes and Neil Alan Weiner, Commercial Sexual Exploitation of Children in the U.S, Canada and Mexico, University of Pennsylvania, at 3 (2001) [hereinafter Estes Report], and often become involved in prostitution as a way to support themselves financially or to get the things they want or need. Id.
Other young people are recruited into prostitution through forced abduction, pressure from parents, or through deceptive agreements between parents and traffickers. Francis T. Miko & Grace Park, Trafficking in Women and Children: The U.S. and International Response, at 7 (Updated July 10, 2003), at http://www.usembassy.it/pdf/other/RL30545.pdf. Once these children become involved in prostitution they are often forced to travel far from their homes and as a result are isolated from their friends and family. Id. Few children in this situation are able to develop new relationships with peers or adults other than the person who is victimizing them. Id. The lifestyle of such children revolves around violence, forced drug use and constant threats. Id.
Among children and teens living on the streets in the United States, involvement in commercial sex activity is a problem of epidemic proportion. Approximately 55% of street girls engage in formal prostitution. Estes Report, Executive Summary at 7. Of the girls engaged in formal prostitution, about 75% worked for a pimp. Id. Pimp-controlled commercial sexual exploitation of children is linked to escort and massage services, private dancing, drinking and photographic clubs, major sporting and recreational events, major cultural events, conventions, and tourist destinations. Id. About one-fifth of these children become entangled in nationally organized crime networks and are trafficked nationally. Id. at 8. They are transported around the United States by a variety of means – cars, buses, vans, trucks or planes, Id., and are often provided counterfeit identification to use in the event of arrest. Id. The average age at which girls first become victims of prostitution is 12-14. Estes Report at 92. It is not only the girls on the streets that are affected -- for boys and transgender youth, the average age of entry into prostitution is 11-13. Id.
Yes. Many are. Others are forced into it by their parents, or snatched off the streets and forced into it by gangs. Nasty, nasty business.
The American people have been denouncing “slavery” for generations even as they themselves are enslaved to their sins.
I don’t know—if an adult film star can make a hundred for a blowjob, that must be some good slavery....and some of those girls, you would have to PAY ME to have sex with them...
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