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Prof. Melissa Harris-Perry Ties Michael Vick Case To Slavery, Civil Rights On MSNBC
Mediaite ^ | December 29, 2010

Posted on 12/29/2010 8:30:41 PM PST by La Lydia

On tonight’s Rachel Maddow, EP Bill Wolff (filling in for Maddow) brought in Professor Melissa Harris-Perry for a fresh take, and she delivered: Michael Vick is the victim of centuries of black oppression– from dogs? Wolff requested of Harris-Perry a “historical” take on the matter, and while she barely mentioned Vick (and said nothing of Tucker Carlson), she gave an extensive history of African-Americans and dogs.

“We want to be really careful here,” she warned, “There are some complex issues at stake whenever you are talking simultaneously about African Americans and talking about issues of animal rights.” She explained that “questions about the humanity of black people and the relative importance of the life of animals have in fact been deeply connected,” complicating the issue for Vick. To tie the argument to the story, she noted that domestic animals are often “fetishized” such that, while “we’re not really all that horrified” about fur or food animals, the killing of a dog is a cardinal sin.

Compare this to the fact that “one of the ways that black people were enslaved… was that black people were equated to animals,” she continued, and that “dogs were directly used against black people.”

She doesn’t elaborate further than noting that there is a “weird kind of interconnection and anxiety” between animal abuse and civil rights, so it’s left to the view to try to figure out how to weave her historical context into the Michael Vick case....

This leaves many open questions as to what many of her comments– especially the note about dogs being used against African Americans during the Civil Rights movement– have to do with Vick. Carried to its logical conclusion, Harris-Perry could perhaps be suggesting that a reason Vick behaved as he did against dogs was because, as an African-American, he was participating in a long-standing feud with canine-kind. His crime, she may be arguing, was a subconscious expression of racial anxiety, and must be understood as such before condemning Vick the way someone who has not experienced racial strife (ahem, Tucker Carlson) could not understand...

As the comments are so detached from the subject matter, it’s basically a Rorschach test of political ideology. Liberals will embrace the historical context. Those on the right will cry “race card.” Hopefully Harris-Perry will elaborate further in the future, as, if there was a highly sophisticated historical point directly related to Vick’s dog abuses in her commentary, something was lost in translation.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Georgia; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: billwolff; georgia; irony; melissaharrisperry; michaelvick; msnbc; partisanmediashill; partisanmediashills; pennsylvania; rachelmaddow; shamelessness; tuckercarlson; victimization
Where do they find these idiots? At Princeton. Race card? Of course. It's the only card she has in her deck.
1 posted on 12/29/2010 8:30:48 PM PST by La Lydia
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To: La Lydia

Vick just received the Obama curse anyway. He’s now doomed. Obama puts the whammy on every athlete or team he speaks to or about.


2 posted on 12/29/2010 8:33:36 PM PST by ltc8k6
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To: ltc8k6

Yes. Isn’t that nice.


3 posted on 12/29/2010 8:36:45 PM PST by La Lydia
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To: La Lydia

Racism is very, very much alive in America. It’s just that the arrow is pointed in a different direction than liberals, the academy, and the MSM would have you believe.


4 posted on 12/29/2010 8:38:46 PM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: La Lydia
Yeah (quizzically) That probably explains cock fighting also. And maybe some other blood sports. Damn I sure wish I was as smart as those oh so highly educated folks from the northeast.
5 posted on 12/29/2010 8:43:20 PM PST by Tupelo
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To: La Lydia

Melissa H-P is one of the silliest people I have ever heard. I have no belief in her degrees. This is just a major case of dumb fu##. Nobody is that stupid without extra effort.

I am willing to let Michael Vick try again as he has served his prison time. MHP wants to turn the exercise into something that is needn’t be.


6 posted on 12/29/2010 8:44:20 PM PST by jimfree (In 2012 Sarah Palin will continue to have more relevant quality executive experience than B. Obama.)
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To: La Lydia

Savage was so right when he said liberals are mentally ill.

My guess is that they have done so many drugs they have blown their brains out.

Another thought...their marxist indoctrination has so destroyed their ability to think, period. The ex-KGB agents told how the curricula in America was based on cultural Marxist ideology (lies) (Heather has two mommies) All cultures are equal....Homosexuality is “good”..Diversity is our strength..Religion and ethical behavior is bad..(Tango makes Three) .

Ideas that are so bizarre and twisted, that no logic and reasoning can exist....they described it as ‘cognitive dissonance’. Our children are being raised with no foundation in logic, reason and science.

In fact, our children are being conditioned to NOT think. They are being indoctrinated into what to think.

It is all moral relativism, based in lies and feel good environmental —GW BS.

These people can not think when they reach adulthood because their foundation is screwed up.


7 posted on 12/29/2010 8:45:10 PM PST by savagesusie
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To: La Lydia

To everything (spin, spin, spin), there is a season (spin, spin, spin) . . . .


8 posted on 12/29/2010 8:45:59 PM PST by synbad600
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

Yes, but no one has perfected it like their African brothers who have given a name to a age old tradition... genocide. And today? The UN is addressing the possibility of genocide in the Ivory Coast. What year is it?


9 posted on 12/29/2010 8:47:23 PM PST by himno hero
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To: La Lydia
Carried to its logical conclusion, Harris-Perry could perhaps be suggesting that a reason Vick behaved as he did against dogs was because, as an African-American, he was participating in a long-standing feud with canine-kind.

So, she must also theorize that African-Americans kill and rob one another because so many black Africans sold other blacks into slavery.

10 posted on 12/29/2010 8:47:27 PM PST by Razz Barry (Round'em up, send'em home.)
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To: La Lydia

“Wolff”?? Dogs??

Sitting...on...my...hands....


11 posted on 12/29/2010 8:48:24 PM PST by pillut48 (Israel doesn't have a friend in President Obama...and neither does the USA! (h/t pgkdan))
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To: jimfree

If he wants to play football, fine, no skin off my nose. How much lower can it go? But he should never be allowed any closer than 1,000 feet to any animal. My prediction: he will be in the news again in some violence-related story.


12 posted on 12/29/2010 8:48:52 PM PST by La Lydia
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To: La Lydia

"hmmmmm...now let's see....first da dogs...den da killings...den da trail...da jail....den, he comes back...makes money....??????....den dumbo calls....now da racist stories....wait wait, I got it....full purge of Vicks conviction and clean slate.....minus a few thousand dollas, I got it"

13 posted on 12/29/2010 8:51:52 PM PST by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: La Lydia

Oh, give me a friggin’ break!

Dog fighting is a popular sport among ghetto thugs, and Vick wasn’t about to give up his street creds.

But what do you expect, with a POTUS trying desperately to prove that he’s actually got TWO testicles (one on loan from the Hildebeast, according to Carville)?

Some day he might wake up and realize that most of America doesn’t give a rat’s butt about what’s important to inner city Chicago. Most of America plays by much different rules.

Oy. How DID we get into this fix?


14 posted on 12/29/2010 9:03:58 PM PST by Tigerized (pursuingliberty.com)
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To: potlatch

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Oh what BS!

Some years back a white man was sentenced to 15 years in prison for drowning a litter of puppies in a burlap bag -

No NFL career to return to

No millions in pay

Just fifteen (15) years in a state prison

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And now Vick wants a “waiver” or a “Mulligan” so he can have little doggie as a pal!

.


15 posted on 12/29/2010 9:05:51 PM PST by devolve (. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Wagya for only $100 pound . . . . . . . . . . . . . .)
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To: La Lydia

Who has been raiding African blacks and selling them into slavery for the past 1,000 years? Yep, the “religion of peace” people.

Damned. If this women teaches at Princeton, how did they recruit her, from the “Book of Available Racists Teachers” or at some Democrat Party convention?

The Democrats/liberals are the most racist people I’ve ever seen, and they don’t like conservative Jews, most Christians, Black conservatives, crime victims who fight back, Buddhists (look what they allowed the Communists to do to them in Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia), and people who eat meat.


16 posted on 12/29/2010 9:09:42 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: La Lydia
Last I knew people held slaves, not dogs. So would it have been ok for Vick to treat people like he treated all those dogs, torturing and killing them? After all it wouldn't be his fault, but slavery's, something of course he's never experienced.

I found out that one of my ancestor's came here as an indentured servant in 1639. Do I get to kill and maim something because of that fact ? ( No, I don't want to kill or maim anything!)

17 posted on 12/29/2010 9:30:42 PM PST by MacMattico
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To: La Lydia
Most "Vick Threads" on FR are filled with people posting in favor of Vick. Most of his defenders on FR seem to think that if you condemn Vick:

1.) you value animal life over human life

2.) you are no true Christian if you do not forgive Vick for being an evil sadist.

I see little difference between his FR defenders and his race card defenders. Maybe they are all Eagles fans or have Vick on their Fantasy Football teams.

18 posted on 12/29/2010 10:53:38 PM PST by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: Sans-Culotte
Most "Vick Threads" on FR are filled with people posting in favor of Vick. Most of his defenders on FR seem to think that if you condemn Vick: 1.) you value animal life over human life

I value animal life over the life of a human who tortures animals.

19 posted on 12/29/2010 11:00:10 PM PST by Prokopton
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To: Prokopton

From my experience, dog fighting is popular throughout the South, with the Rednecks as well as the AA’s. slavery had nothing to do with it. or police dogs for that matter. The same can be said for Cock Fighting. As you drive thru the country side, you can spot the Rooster coops. If there are no rules against felons, I Don’t see he should be disqualified. Of course I am not a fan and if the SB was played in by back yard, I wouldn’t go to the window and watch.


20 posted on 12/29/2010 11:30:58 PM PST by barb-tex (What else did you expect from the likes of 0? BTW, What ever happened to Rhodesia?, Oh, yes, Zimbabw)
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To: barb-tex
From my experience, dog fighting is popular throughout the South, with the Rednecks as well as the AA’s

Vic was not just involved in dog fighting, he personally tortured and killed defenseless dogs. This makes him inhuman.

21 posted on 12/29/2010 11:43:01 PM PST by Prokopton
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To: Sans-Culotte

It does seem that some posters on FR feel somehow threatened if someone indicates sympathy for a mistreated animal.


22 posted on 12/29/2010 11:59:58 PM PST by cydcharisse (`)
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To: La Lydia

I would like to ask Ms. Harris-Perry why it’s so prevalent among upper class black women to use hyphenated surnames. Do they think it sounds classy. Is it a feminist thing. Or is it a way to dispel the “stereotype” of the unmarried African American woman. I’m curious.


23 posted on 12/30/2010 12:02:31 AM PST by Krankor (When I was younger, so much younger than today, I never needed anybody's help in any way.)
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To: jimfree
Nobody is that stupid without extra effort.

Damn. You nailed it.

24 posted on 12/30/2010 12:04:52 AM PST by TheThinker (Communists: taking over the world one kooky doomsday scenario at a time.)
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To: La Lydia

Yeah, American slavery explains bull fighting in Spain too. *eyes rolling*


25 posted on 12/30/2010 12:06:36 AM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: TheThinker; jimfree

Yep! She is “got a master’s degree in it” stupid.


26 posted on 12/30/2010 12:08:01 AM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: La Lydia

She has a Masters Degree in finding racism where it does not exist.


27 posted on 12/30/2010 12:20:10 AM PST by screaminsunshine (Americanism vs Communism)
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To: TigersEye

Well, the host asked her to explain, from a historical perspective, why people are still so mad at Vick. Ms. H-P said white people historically treated blacks like animals and even called them apes. Then she went on to say people (presumably whites) love animals- but only certain ones. They don’t care about chickens or pigs, but they really like dogs. Hence, the reason white people are so mad at Vick is because he’s an animal whites don’t like (an ape) who was really mean to an animal whites do like- dogs. At least, I think that’s what she meant.


28 posted on 12/30/2010 12:30:58 AM PST by Krankor (When I was younger, so much younger than today, I never needed anybody's help in any way.)
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To: Krankor
She's more representative of liberals than most...

Articles that explain how modern liberals suffer from a mental disorder.


29 posted on 12/30/2010 12:37:54 AM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: La Lydia

“’Tis better to be silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt.” (Attributed to the Destroyer of the Republic A. Lincoln)


30 posted on 12/30/2010 3:01:47 AM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: ltc8k6

I think the “curse” is in full effect.

Consider. In his last 2 games, against The NYG and the Vikes, he played a total of 120 minutes and except for the miracle against the NYG which saw the eagles score 4 times in 7 minutes and about 40 seconds he has been totally dominated for the other 117 minutes.


31 posted on 12/30/2010 3:05:55 AM PST by 101voodoo
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To: Krankor
Then she went on to say people (presumably whites) love animals- but only certain ones. They don’t care about chickens or pigs, but they really like dogs.

I'm white. I love dogs. I also love chickens and pigs.

...Right next to the rice and gravy, fried okra, and cornbread.

32 posted on 12/30/2010 3:32:30 AM PST by PalmettoMason (It's easy being a menace to society when WAY OVER half the population is happy being sheep.)
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To: La Lydia; Black Agnes

I don’t think Vick should be excused.

I do think he should be in the NFL now.

I think he could have a dog maybe one day...let his supervised release officer determine.

I think he’s done enough “time”.

and count me with those who doesn’t think animal life is worth the ...what is the best way to put it?....well...I just don’t have the exaltation for animals some here do.

there is a lot of room between Mike Vick and Sungirl....I’m in there somewhere

oh...and for Yankees who as usual think they know it all here....dogt fighting is very unpopular amongst white southerners....in fact it’s scorned like incest

and they are precious few rednecks anymore..now white trash is just wiggahs..we have reached racial parity

PS...I love cock fighting...could care less


33 posted on 12/30/2010 7:50:41 AM PST by wardaddy ("Out Here" by Josh Thompson pretty much says it all to those who will never understand anyhow)
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To: wardaddy
I think he’s done enough “time”.

and count me with those who doesn’t think animal life is worth the ...what is the best way to put it?....well...I just don’t have the exaltation for animals some here do.

Yet another "animal life isn't worth as much as human life" post. I'll write this in your style so that you may understand.

It's not about the "sanctity" of animal life over human life.

You can post that kind of crap all day.

It is still not what anyone here is saying (except you Vick defenders).

What made the story so horrific is that Vick and his homies tortured the animals (outside of fighting them) and took a sadistic delight in their suffering.

Sadism is the derivation of pleasure as a result of inflicting pain or watching pain inflicted on others.

He probably had a raging erection while he tortured the dogs.

Vick is a disgusting piece of trash. No fan should ever have to cheer for such a POS on their football tram.

34 posted on 12/30/2010 9:12:41 AM PST by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: Sans-Culotte

“football TEAM”.


35 posted on 12/30/2010 9:13:32 AM PST by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: La Lydia

Based on the intellectual standards set by this ignorant, hyphenated racist, I’ve just awarded each of the speckled Koi out in my fish pond, a full-tenured professorship.


36 posted on 12/30/2010 9:16:46 AM PST by EyeGuy (RaceMarxist Obama: The Politics of Vengeance)
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To: Sans-Culotte
Sadism is the derivation of pleasure as a result of inflicting pain or watching pain inflicted on others.

Hence your always warm posting style eh dear.

He probably had a raging erection while he tortured the dogs.

do you always associate anger with the penis cupcake?

You just sorta gave yourself away

37 posted on 01/01/2011 10:04:30 AM PST by wardaddy ("Out Here" by Josh Thompson pretty much says it all to those who will never understand anyhow)
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To: La Lydia
Professor Melissa Hayden-Perry is entitled to have a dog in this fight.

I wonder if the Hayden part of her handle comes from old Tom Hayden, the pizza-faced commie who was married to Hanoi Jane.

38 posted on 01/16/2011 5:45:15 PM PST by Kenny Bunk (Wanted: 1 Governor, 1 AG, to keep Obama off 1 state ballot in 2012.)
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