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N. Korean soldiers leave barracks en masse looking for food
Korea Times ^ | 01/01/11

Posted on 01/01/2011 8:30:01 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster

01-01-2011 21:38

N. Korean soldiers leave barracks en masse looking for food

An increasing number of North Korean soldiers are showing “AWOL” behaviors to avoid intense physical training and look for food, the local daily, Chosun Ilbo, said Saturday, sourcing it to RFA.

AWOL is a military acronym for "absence without leave."

“It’s hard to punish them because there are too many of such soldiers,” an unnamed North Korean informant, told RFA in the report.

Some of the soldiers display “on-off’ AWOL behaviors, for example, leaving the barracks in the morning looking for food and coming back in the evening.

“The en masse absence is even causing difficulty in carrying out training according to schedule,” the source said.

The sorry state of the military even earned Kim Jong-un’s ire, who reportedly said: “Those incapable military commanders should resign.”

The informant, introduced in the report as a soldier, put the low morale in the North Korean military this way. “If there were 10 AWOL reports, the actual number would be about 50.”


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KEYWORDS: awol; nkorea; soldiers; starvation
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Kim Jong-il: Nuke, ICBM, luxury brands, questionable fashion taste, stroke, diabetes

N. Korea soldiers: starvation, malnutrition, AWOL, banditry, looting

1 posted on 01/01/2011 8:30:08 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster; AmericanInTokyo; Steel Wolf; nuconvert; MizSterious; nw_arizona_granny; ...

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2 posted on 01/01/2011 8:30:44 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Some of the soldiers display “on-off’ AWOL behaviors, for example, leaving the barracks in the morning ... and coming back in the evening.

That would classify as AWOL in any army in the world, nothing partial about it.

3 posted on 01/01/2011 8:32:26 AM PST by ElkGroveDan (He's not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy!)
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To: ElkGroveDan
It's also called FORAGING.

The gub'm'nt just recently ordered that no more food be taken from the peasants for the army.

Which means.............

4 posted on 01/01/2011 8:36:39 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: TigerLikesRooster

That problem and the well-known principle that “an army travels on its stomach” could easily move them to cross the DMZ and, like locusts looking for more food, touch off that powder keg.

Wars have been triggered for less critical reasons.


5 posted on 01/01/2011 8:37:33 AM PST by Dick Bachert (2012 CAN'T COME SOON ENOUGH FOR ME. HOW ABOUT YOU?)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

“Those incapable military commanders should resign.”


Yeah. What’s up with these “incapable” commanders who can’t control their starving soliders? [/s]


6 posted on 01/01/2011 8:39:57 AM PST by rbg81 (When you see Obama, shout: "DO YOUR JOB!!")
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To: TigerLikesRooster

***N. Korea soldiers: starvation, malnutrition, AWOL, banditry, looting ****

Mayby this is dis-informantion, make us believe things are really bad in the North, trying to goad the South into an attack against what may be really well trained and fed troops.


7 posted on 01/01/2011 8:41:09 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (I visited GEN TOMMY FRANKS Military Museum in HOBART, OKLAHOMA! Well worth it!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
The sorry state of the military even earned Kim Jong-un’s ire, who reportedly said: “Those incapable military commanders should resign.”

I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that Jong-Un will be the last of the dynasty. The country, which has suffered so deeply and for so long, 'getting told' by a youngster who hasn't earned his spurs while they starve- has got to be galling beyond belief to even the most brainwashed fanatic.

BTW- Thank you for what you do here- it is appreciated.

8 posted on 01/01/2011 8:45:24 AM PST by Riley (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

If we had a president with some guts, he’d offer all the steak they can eat to the North Korean army if they turn on the dictatorship. But no, Obama is too busy eating wagyu beef at cocktail parties to ever entertain something like that.


9 posted on 01/01/2011 8:46:06 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Mayby this is dis-informantion, make us believe things are really bad in the North, trying to goad the South into an attack against what may be really well trained and fed troops.

Recall that a typhoon actually hit North Korea this year - that had to have an impact on what few crops they actually grow there.

10 posted on 01/01/2011 8:47:15 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: TigerLikesRooster

I saw a picture one time (I think here on FR) showing a US soldier and an SK soldier escorting an NK soldier. I don’t remember the details but I believe the NK soldier had wandered into the DMZ and was captured. The US soldier looked to be about 6’2”, and looked like he could bench press 315 and then run about 20 6 minute miles. The SK guy wasn’t nearly as big, but was in excellent physical condition. The NK soldier was about 5’2” and obviously malnourished. He looked slightly better than your average Ethiopian. If I hadn’t seen the three of them together the difference wouldn’t have nearly as obvious.


11 posted on 01/01/2011 8:48:24 AM PST by suthener
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To: dirtboy

Sounds like the Mandate of Heaven is slipping from the North Korean dynasty.


12 posted on 01/01/2011 8:50:52 AM PST by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
This news have been coming out for several years. Many different channels. Their new recruits are getting shorter, too. Basically, it lead us to believe it is a widespread phenomenon.
13 posted on 01/01/2011 8:51:20 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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To: Niuhuru

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-11308699

Dozens killed in North Korea typhoon

Dozens of people died in North Korea in floods and landslides caused by a typhoon which hit the country earlier this month, state media has said.

[snip]

Typhoon Kompasu hit the Korean peninsula on 2 September.

“Several dozen people have died throughout the country due to torrential rain, strong winds and landslide,” the KCNA said.

More than 8,300 homes and 230 public buildings were destroyed and over 30,000 hectares of farmland were ruined, the agency said.

Earlier this week, South Korea said it would deliver rice and other aid to North Korea within a month, amid some signs of a thaw in relations between the two neighbours.

[snip]

North Korea relies on food aid to feed its people, and it has also been hard-hit this year by flooding.


14 posted on 01/01/2011 8:55:35 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: suthener

http://www.kwva.org/homepage_stories/images/061231_jsa_walk.jpg


15 posted on 01/01/2011 8:55:55 AM PST by LexRex in TN ("A republic, if you can keep it.......")
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To: TigerLikesRooster

This is what happens when a country decides to go “progressive”.


16 posted on 01/01/2011 8:56:18 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer ("The Dems have a 'war room' for everything but war..." - Dennis Miller)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Credible reports I’ve seen put the permanent early malnutrition damage to the rising generation at catostrophic for NK.

They will be fielding an army of low-IQ stunted runts. Their national future is damaged beyond comprehension. These are not big relatively fit East Germans, folded into the West. The SKs want nothing to do with caring for millions of damaged NK children/youths post reunification. They want to keep the DMZ wall up now more than ever.


17 posted on 01/01/2011 8:57:44 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: dirtboy
If we had a president with some guts...

Ain't gonna happen with the shave-ice eating faggot.
18 posted on 01/01/2011 9:01:02 AM PST by SpaceBar
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To: suthener

See 17. And the soldiers at the DMZ are their best. Imagine a NK “4F.” Probably makes Banjo Boy from Deliverence look like an Ivy League scholar athlete. Girls and boys, by the millions. There is no “fix” or “cure” for early near-starvation. You can’t wind the clock back to infancy and early childhood and make up the loss. Tragic for the NK people, while “Dear Leader” Caligulas orgy and gorge to fatness.


19 posted on 01/01/2011 9:01:52 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

It’s just part of Kim Jong Il’s attempt to keep up with modern military theory with his Don’t Feed, Don’t Eat policy.


20 posted on 01/01/2011 9:02:59 AM PST by InvisibleChurch (Tagline: (optional, printed after your name on post):)
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To: suthener

It is really telling to look at your average North Korean Soldier and your average South Korean..

Same genetics pool (one Generation removed) same *type* of diet and yet the Avg North Korean is at least 6 inches shorter than the average North Korean..


21 posted on 01/01/2011 9:05:29 AM PST by N3WBI3 (Ah, arrogance and stupidity all in the same package. How efficient of you. -- Londo Mollari)
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To: dirtboy
If we had a president with some guts, he’d offer all the steak they can eat to the North Korean army if they turn on the dictatorship

This has already been done and it didn't work. The US, South Korea and China give the North food in exchange for non-compliance on most issues. GHB, GWB, Clinton and most likely Obama will play this game. Every third world nation that wants the bomb is playing this game and the US is losing. Our leaders can't seem to figure out how the world has worked in the last twenty years.

22 posted on 01/01/2011 9:07:56 AM PST by Sawdring
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To: Sawdring

No food to the NK government - only steak to the army if they overthrow the government (and rice to the rest of the country).


23 posted on 01/01/2011 9:09:58 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: N3WBI3

north
south

might want to edit :)


24 posted on 01/01/2011 9:10:23 AM PST by Kansas58
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To: TigerLikesRooster

North Korea’s system is unsustainable and coming apart fast, which leads to the million dollar question: what are they willing to do in their desperation?


25 posted on 01/01/2011 9:11:38 AM PST by Pan_Yan
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To: Travis McGee
They want to keep the DMZ wall up now more than ever

If NK regime collapses and SK take over political and military control of NK, DMZ will still stay, while NK will gradually "grow out of" slow motion massacre inflicted upon them by Kim Jong-il. The lasting legacy of Kim Jong-il. It will haunt Korea for a long time, and serve as a black mark on NK sympathizers. They will remain walking proofs for decades.

26 posted on 01/01/2011 9:11:49 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

This is a great time to send more helium balloons loaded with food care packages to the NorKs. What would be really cool is to have an rc helium dirigible with autopilot software.

It’s mission would be to carry a decent payload of canisters loaded with food attached to parachutes, fly near those military bases, drop the food and fly back home. Reload it and send it back out again.

Think of it like the Korean version of the Marshall Plan.

Lil’ Kim would be furious, apoplectic and have a conniption fit beyond measure! LOL!


27 posted on 01/01/2011 9:14:21 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: muawiyah

Is it because of another unexpected bad harvest and traumatic weather pattern that mysteriously seems to affect only the countries that utilize collective farming and central planning?


28 posted on 01/01/2011 9:17:18 AM PST by bonehead4freedom
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To: Jack Hydrazine
Actually, there are a few dedicated groups of balloon launchers in SK. They launch hundreds of fliers at a time. In addition to fliers, some balloons also carry ramens, a little bag of rice(100gram,) and a dollar bill.

on some days with favorable wind, they are said to reach deep inside NK all the way to the area just to the south of Pyongyang or part of Hamkyong Province.

Many of these items are apparently raining down on areas in the North not far from DMZ.

29 posted on 01/01/2011 9:22:20 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Correction: They launch hundreds of thousands of fliers at a time.
30 posted on 01/01/2011 9:23:36 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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To: TigerLikesRooster; N3WBI3

I have friends who emigrated from South Korea. He’s about 5’6”, she’s a bit shorter. Their daughter, born here is 6’2” tall, and stunningly gorgeous! If I was younger,,,,,,,


31 posted on 01/01/2011 9:28:24 AM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Maybe this is disinformation...

That's my first reaction. Is anyone familiar with KOREA TIMES?

All I know is that there sure are a lot of "famines" in NK. Same with Zimbabwe.

32 posted on 01/01/2011 9:35:13 AM PST by Forgotten Amendments (I'd rather be Plaxico Burress than Sean Taylor)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

How can we financially help these groups? Does anyone know of an legitimate organization where we can send donations to that will help fund the balloon care package flights?


33 posted on 01/01/2011 9:41:21 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: LexRex in TN
Wow, are the Norks using 12 years for soldiers now.
It's hard to believe that NK soldier is an adult.

34 posted on 01/01/2011 10:01:25 AM PST by StormEye
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To: TigerLikesRooster

I did some searching around and found this group that is send balloons.
http://www.nkfreedom.org/


35 posted on 01/01/2011 10:16:09 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

It’s 85% humor but perhaps SK should invest in MRE-firing arty to stop an invasion in its tracks.


36 posted on 01/01/2011 10:18:28 AM PST by NonValueAdded (Palin 2012: don't retreat, just reload)
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To: Travis McGee

They want to keep the DMZ wall up now more than ever.

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Let the wall fall on the other side. This is China’s mess & they ought to clean it up.


37 posted on 01/01/2011 10:21:33 AM PST by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
The unraveling continues, it seems.

Pro-liberation anti-Kim clique black ops based clandestine broadcasts, cell phone usage to spread the word (even use the damned DPRKs own Koryolink if one has to, through various methods) balloons with flyers, underground printing presses, text messages, word of mouth rumor campaigns, shortwave broadcasts any and all kinds of couriers, should kick off and ramp up defection/disloyalty enticement programs promising food (and gold bollioun if they bring over various weaponry or sabotage property of the current Kim Dynasty/KWP elite leadership such as Junior Kim's train carrying provisions in the Northern Region), on a tiered level, to soldiers and officers of the KPA in these areas. At the same time, powerful imagery along with motivating text re: Kim Jong il and Kim Jong Un has been fat and stuffed to the gills (which they are) should accompany such enticement programs to create hatred and enmity towards the Kim Inner Circle. An army travels on its stomach. The DPRK has a VERY SOFT UNDERBELLY in this regard, this is becoming a real achilles heel that, under a normal American President committed to ridding the world of this menace and helping liberate its people, could be exploited to the max.

38 posted on 01/01/2011 10:30:54 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Years of putting N. Korea on the military/diplomatic back-burner may well precipitate nuclear war)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Mayby this is dis-informantion, make us believe things are really bad in the North, trying to goad the South into an attack against what may be really well trained and fed troops.

I expect the NK's to have this sort of paranoia but I doubt anyone seriously plans to invade. There's nothing there that anyone (including South Korea) wants.

Worst Case: A few surgical sorties, a few well-placed MOABs, will be the extent of the campaign against NK. After that, the west can leave the Norks to their own devices for a few decades.

39 posted on 01/01/2011 10:35:08 AM PST by ZOOKER ( Exploring the fine line between cynicism and outright depression)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
"even earned Kim Jong-un’s ire, who reportedly said: “Those incapable military commanders should resign"

This will begin to mark the downfall of the Boy, before he even had a chance to rise. Resentment toward these most arrogrant, elitist Pyongyang-based comments by K.J.U., the "Youth Captain" SHOULD BE EXPLOITED within disatissfied sectors of the Korean Peoples Army, from the grassroots up, from squad units to sections to platoons to companies to batallions to division to regiment to Corps levels. The former titles bestowed upon him which did not make him high enough in DPRK military rank upon the Party's reflection, should be used tongue in cheek and against all recent orders prohibiting the further use of such previous titles, such as the "Young General", or the "Youth Captain."

40 posted on 01/01/2011 10:39:14 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Years of putting N. Korea on the military/diplomatic back-burner may well precipitate nuclear war)
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To: Dick Bachert
Wars have been triggered for less critical reasons.

Nods

Agree with what you say. Desperation, if these accounts are true; could lead to a NORK troop crossing that is completely un-coordinated. It would be what sets it all off (starving NORK soldiers crossing the DMZ armed, SK lighting them up and the NORK's that are not aware of the crossing open up themselves. it's on.)

41 posted on 01/01/2011 10:45:16 AM PST by Michael Barnes (Guilty of being White.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

They are on the verge of war so it could be war prep dis-information. On the other hand, NK has a lot of soldiers to feed.


42 posted on 01/01/2011 10:53:03 AM PST by mewykwistmas
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To: Dick Bachert

The NK “locusts” might not have the strength to make it over the DMZ. Those that do might just surrender for a meal.


43 posted on 01/01/2011 10:58:30 AM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: dirtboy

I must have missed that. That would explain a lot, wouldn’t it? Collective countries have such supply shortage problems they never can deal with unexpected disasters.

No wonder NK is going nuts. They must have lost so many crops, etc.


44 posted on 01/01/2011 10:58:34 AM PST by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: I still care

In Korea, they usually drain the rice paddys in mid-August and harvest in October. A typhoon in early September could well have severely diminished what rice it didn’t destroy.


45 posted on 01/01/2011 11:03:05 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: Michael Barnes
Crossing the world's most heavily mined stretch of land, the DMZ/MDL, 250 kilometers, Korean coast to coast, riddled with both DPRK and ROK land mines, will be no small feat by hungry deserters. 1.2mm landmines on the ROK control side alone, who knows how many on the DPRK side, maybe just as many, could be close to 2 million of these. Folks would have to navigate such terrain; the discouragements and impediments would be significant, IMHO. I just as soon think the Korean People would turn on Pyongyang instead and just raid that place en-masse, might even eat some of the plump Korean Central Television evening news announcers such as Pyongyang Patty, in a poshintang-like stew, half out of abject hunger and half out of unrestrained outrage.
46 posted on 01/01/2011 11:03:22 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Years of putting N. Korea on the military/diplomatic back-burner may well precipitate nuclear war)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

What if they were to throw a war, and the NK troops show up with their bowels and chop sticks?


47 posted on 01/01/2011 11:05:05 AM PST by pallis
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Chosun Ilbo is getting the idea. Running back to back photos of skinny, hungry KPA soldiers, against Opulent, Fat Boy "Youth General", Kim Jong Un, grandson of the terrible Kim il Sung who started the Korean War itself--who is now criticising the soldiers in the ranks.


48 posted on 01/01/2011 11:08:39 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Years of putting N. Korea on the military/diplomatic back-burner may well precipitate nuclear war)
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To: suthener

There was a show on tv about soldiers that serve near the DMZ. I think it mainly talked about the SK soldier. One of the requirements was that they had to be at least 6 ft to do duty up there. It might even pertain to US Marines also. The thinking behind this was that it be more intimdating to the NK army. I would also say that most if not all the NK army is conscripted and only those chosin to be in the special forces receive the best of the nutrition because with the NK old generals and Kim they use these special forces to control and protect their collective asses.


49 posted on 01/01/2011 11:09:02 AM PST by Always Independent
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To: DTogo

I’d like to see them make a run for the border to Kimchi Bell!


50 posted on 01/01/2011 11:09:22 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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