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Exclusive: Loughner Friend Explains Alleged Gunman's Grudge Against Giffords
Mother Jones ^ | 10 January, 2011 | Nick Bauman

Posted on 01/10/2011 8:35:17 AM PST by SE Mom

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To: Blood of Tyrants
"What? He murdered SIX people? Do the other four not count because they weren't "federal employees"?"

"The 7 Commandments are abridged for the last time, simply reading, "All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others." - Animal Farm

121 posted on 01/10/2011 12:33:35 PM PST by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: SE Mom

Bush’s fault. Bush was “Skull & Bones.”


122 posted on 01/10/2011 12:38:43 PM PST by Erasmus (Personal goal: Have a bigger carbon footprint than Tony Robbins.)
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To: SE Mom

So the whole idea of “helter skelter” a la Manson? Jeez.


123 posted on 01/10/2011 12:40:44 PM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: SE Mom
""In messages on MySpace last month, Loughner declared, "I'll see you on National T.v.! This is foreshadow." He also noted on the website, "I don't feel good: I'm ready to kill a police officer! I can say it." ..."

Anybody ever figure out why Gifford was subscribed to Loughner's youtube channel?

124 posted on 01/10/2011 12:41:34 PM PST by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: MrB
This is why the left uses anarchists.

He sounds like a tool of Van Jones.

125 posted on 01/10/2011 12:43:06 PM PST by stayathomemom (Beware of cat attacks while typing!)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
...Along with Kerouac, Kesey, McLuhan, maybe Paramahansa Yogananda, Heinlein; and maybe--even--Rand.

≤}B^)

126 posted on 01/10/2011 12:47:53 PM PST by Erasmus (Personal goal: Have a bigger carbon footprint than Tony Robbins.)
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To: silverleaf; SE Mom; All

Before we get too carried away with sanctifying the parents —

“Report: Loughner Family Blocks FBI From Entering House
Monday, January 10, 2011 | Kristinn

Posted on Monday, January 10, 2011 1:42:17 PM by kristinn

Fox News’ Trace Gallagher reporting via phone on the Sean Hannity radio show from Tucson says the parents of accused Rep. Giffords shooter Jared Loughner are blocking the FBI from entering their home.

Gallagher said Fox is sending a crew to the scene.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2654478/posts


127 posted on 01/10/2011 12:49:37 PM PST by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: Uncle Ike

There is a huge gap between “sanctifying” the parents and suggesting that those who blame and condemn them don’t have the facts to do so

This hyperventilating false-dilemma crap places FR on the same level as DU


128 posted on 01/10/2011 12:55:50 PM PST by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: Erasmus

Yeah! I have no idea how far back this goes. But it was made very popular by Castenada’s books. Those books were wildly popular with college kids, hippies, weirdos, etc.. That’s when I encountered the “idea.” Just sayin’, it’s been around a lot longer than recent radio broadcasts.


129 posted on 01/10/2011 12:56:49 PM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: HereInTheHeartland

This piece in “Mother Jones” does a good job of explaining where and how (and, to his mind, why) Jared crossed paths with and fixated on Gabrielle Giffords, as well as the history of his mental illness progession into acting out his violent fantasies


130 posted on 01/10/2011 1:00:08 PM PST by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: Condor51

“And where are the parents NOW??”

According to another thread, they are blocking the FBI from entering their home. I imagine the FBI will be back with a warrant.


131 posted on 01/10/2011 1:02:37 PM PST by 21twelve ( You can go from boom to bust, from dreams to a bowl of dust ... another lost generation.)
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To: mmercier
an “alleged gunman”...?

They all do that -- the logic is considered innocent until proven guilty, i.e., he's not "the gunman" until a court says he is! (Though some go too far IMO and refer, e.g., to "the alleged suspect"!)

It's been that way a long time -- there's a piece by Mark Twain, in his journalism days, who was scolded by an editor for not including "alleged" where the editor felt it appropriate. He retaliated by writing up a garden club meeting or some such, using "alleged" or a synonym wherever he could stick it, including a reference to the membership as "the alleged ladies"! ;-)

132 posted on 01/10/2011 1:14:11 PM PST by maryz
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To: Uncle Ike

Thanks Uncle Ike (don’t you miss Babhbah at times like this? I think of her so often)...

Just heard on Neil...Trace reporting the FBI went in the back door- not sure why the barricade is up- maybe to keep the media out?

It struck me as odd that the parents haven’t made a statement- of any kind.


133 posted on 01/10/2011 1:22:30 PM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: hennie pennie
How did this extremely ill individual EVER pass an FBI background check

The NICS is an on site process used at the point of purchase for a firearm. The FFL Dealer logs into the system and keys in the purchasers information then the system either approves or denys the purchase.

All the info contained by the FBI in the NICS is provided by the participating states and deals primarily with felony crime convictions or domestic assault issues.....There is no info provided to the FBI about an individual's mental health unless such illness was directly related to the felony conviction.

Does this mean the system is flawed? I don't think so, the only individuals who may have had a remote possibility of preventing this tragedy were the kid's family and I don't think they had any control over him since he no longer lived at home.

134 posted on 01/10/2011 1:27:08 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (There's only one cure for Obamarrhea......)
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To: SE Mom

” (don’t you miss Babhbah at times like this? I think of her so often)... “

Just this morning, I started to ‘ping’ Bahbah to some thread or other - :(

She was so much a part of our lives for so long that, even after all this time, I have a hard time accepting that she’s gone....


135 posted on 01/10/2011 1:28:18 PM PST by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: BlueDragon

“There are not many loud & proud atheist “Tea Party” folks, now are there?”

None, whom, we have seen and heard.


136 posted on 01/10/2011 1:35:53 PM PST by Grampa Dave (ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS DESTROYING AMERICA-LOOK AT WHAT IT DID TO THE WHITE HOUSE!)
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To: Shannon
What about the Hannity. Burgess one. “He tear him up!” Or some such.
137 posted on 01/10/2011 1:37:42 PM PST by mad_as_he$$ (V for Vendetta.)
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To: Hot Tabasco
Thank you for such an informative reply, I really had no idea where/how to search on google for some basic info on this.

Also, you are mistaken about his residence, as Jerry Loughner lived with his parents.

139 posted on 01/10/2011 1:40:32 PM PST by hennie pennie
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To: hennie pennie
Also, you are mistaken about his residence, as Jerry Loughner lived with his parents.

Then I stand corrected..

140 posted on 01/10/2011 1:47:14 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (There's only one cure for Obamarrhea......)
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