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Woman shot after man drops pistol at eatery
Houston Chronicle ^ | January 13, 2011 | Mike Glenn

Posted on 01/14/2011 2:18:15 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

Edited on 01/14/2011 7:46:30 AM PST by Sidebar Moderator. [history]

A woman was struck by gunfire Thursday night after a pistol discharged when it was dropped by a patron at a restaurant in Kingwood, Houston police said.

The woman and the gun owner were both customers at Raffa's American Bistro, 1660 W. Lake Houston Parkway.


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One of the comments: “What a tragedy. Do people really need to carry a gun to go eat?”

My reply: "The Luby's massacre was a mass murder that took place on October 16, 1991, in Killeen, Texas, United States when George Jo Hennard drove his pickup truck into a Luby's Cafeteria and shot 23 people to death while wounding another 20, subsequently committing suicide by shooting himself. It was the deadliest shooting rampage in American history until the 2007 Virginia Tech massacre........He reloaded several times and still had ammunition remaining when he committed suicide by shooting himself in the head after being cornered and wounded by police"

1 posted on 01/14/2011 2:18:22 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
The Luby's Massacre was the catalyst which caused the original Texas Concealed Handgun Laws to be enacted.
2 posted on 01/14/2011 2:28:29 AM PST by Zakeet (Always trust in the five G's: God, Gold, Guns, Grub, and the Government screwing up)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

..don’t Derringers have safeties?.


3 posted on 01/14/2011 2:44:28 AM PST by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Accidents happen. That being said, the man was a fool if a derringer was his primary concealed weapon.


4 posted on 01/14/2011 2:46:03 AM PST by TexasRedeye (Eschew obfuscation)
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To: TexasRedeye

FRiend, I have a Bond Arms SnakeSlayer that holds 2 .410 shells. I can assure you it is totally lethal from normal pistol defense ranges.

While rare, it IS occasionally my primary.


5 posted on 01/14/2011 3:00:10 AM PST by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: clee1

There is a plethora of effective firearms produced which are suitable for concealed carry/defense but in my opinion a 2 shot derringer is not one of them. As a deterrent, maybe. As an effective, versatile defensive tool, it is too limited. No professional would consider it. I guess we agree to disagree as the saying goes.


6 posted on 01/14/2011 3:45:00 AM PST by TexasRedeye (Eschew obfuscation)
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To: shibumi; humblegunner; Larry Lucido; Eaker; Allegra; TheOldLady; Salamander; thackney; Markos33; ...
There must have been a blogger convention in Houston.


7 posted on 01/14/2011 3:48:43 AM PST by 50mm (I don't use drugs, my dreams are frightening enough.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Did he not have a proper holster???


8 posted on 01/14/2011 3:51:53 AM PST by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Ben Taub?

Why Ben Taub? There are tons of medical facilities in Humble, just south of Kingwood? Ben Taub is a very long ways to go for medical services? Wait! Isn't Ben Taub the “charity” hospital for that area? (Now that they've been annexed?

9 posted on 01/14/2011 3:52:14 AM PST by cpa4you (CPA4YOU)
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To: Doogle

Mine has a bar that slides and keep the hammer from striking the bullets


10 posted on 01/14/2011 4:00:56 AM PST by jrg
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Let me guess -- a novelty weapon carried shoved into a coat pocket with no holster. What could go wrong?

Most of these things should not be used for concealed carry. If the hammer is down, the firing pin is resting on the primer. If it is cocked, the trigger is exposed.

Criminal stupidity.

11 posted on 01/14/2011 4:17:18 AM PST by hopespringseternal
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

This will most likely be ALL OVER the MSM by sundown tonight.

Unless the gun owner was a donor to the DNC.


12 posted on 01/14/2011 4:20:14 AM PST by maine yankee
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To: 50mm

Just damn.
Affirmative action has hit Starfleet now??!


13 posted on 01/14/2011 4:24:56 AM PST by humblegunner (Blogger Overlord)
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To: TexasRedeye
Yep. I've owned several over the years myself. Derringers had their place in the 19th century, but will likely get you killed in a 21st century gun fight. Exposed triggers, half cock safeties, single action mechanism, and 2-round capacity are simply unacceptable for self defense these days. There's far better 21st century hardware out there for the same price.
14 posted on 01/14/2011 4:26:52 AM PST by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
One of the comments: “What a tragedy. Do people really need to carry a gun to go eat?”
You Betcha!


"I hate to disappoint you Ringo,
but his isn't the first time
I've had a Gun pointed at me."

15 posted on 01/14/2011 4:27:18 AM PST by Condor51 (Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself.)
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To: clee1

Only with buckshot or slugs, and even then, it’s a marginal weapon for self defense, imo. Certainly better than yelling, though!


16 posted on 01/14/2011 4:29:15 AM PST by ltc8k6
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To: cpa4you

That’s what I was wondering when I read this article.


17 posted on 01/14/2011 4:31:16 AM PST by secret garden (Why procrastinate when you can perendinate?)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Wow.... a rare accident. 34,000 people died in traffic accidents in 2009. I guess we should outlaw those too...


18 posted on 01/14/2011 4:31:16 AM PST by catfish1957 (Hey algore...You'll have to pry the steering wheel of my 317 HP V8 truck from my cold dead hands)
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To: cpa4you
Why Ben Taub? There are tons of medical facilities in Humble, just south of Kingwood? Ben Taub is a very long ways to go for medical services? Wait! Isn't Ben Taub the “charity” hospital for that area? (Now that they've been annexed?

Ben Taub is run by Harris County. Its where all the indigents and junkies end up in shootings and stabbings, and so has the most experienced trauma unit in the Medical Center.

19 posted on 01/14/2011 4:46:48 AM PST by Spirochete (Sic transit gloria mundi)
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To: TexasRedeye
No professional would consider it.

Nothing is better?

20 posted on 01/14/2011 4:53:42 AM PST by Eaker (In the middle of difficulty lies opportunity. Albert Einstein)
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To: catfish1957

When the libs/socialists succeed at making us defenseless against the GOV, cars are on a long list of other banned things they have in mind “for us, not them”.


21 posted on 01/14/2011 4:54:40 AM PST by dusttoyou ("Progressives" are wee-weeing all over themselves, Foc nobama)
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To: 50mm

That guy is still doing better than that DEA agent.


22 posted on 01/14/2011 5:08:47 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: PowderMonkey; TexasRedeye

A derringer is better than nothing but certainly not my first or even 25th choice.


23 posted on 01/14/2011 5:09:41 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Rush’s fault.


24 posted on 01/14/2011 5:10:34 AM PST by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: catfish1957

“Wow.... a rare accident”

Not really an accident, more like negligence.


25 posted on 01/14/2011 5:10:42 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: broken_arrow1
Rush’s fault.

A toss-up with

"Bush's fault."

26 posted on 01/14/2011 5:41:13 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife (Allhttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2122429/posts)
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To: hopespringseternal; All
"Let me guess -- a novelty weapon carried shoved into a coat pocket with no holster. What could go wrong?

Most of these things should not be used for concealed carry. If the hammer is down, the firing pin is resting on the primer. If it is cocked, the trigger is exposed.

Criminal stupidity. "

^^^ This right here.

27 posted on 01/14/2011 5:58:55 AM PST by OKSooner (Obama confessed "his muslim faith" on the George Stephanopolous show on September 7th, 2008.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Link?


28 posted on 01/14/2011 6:04:18 AM PST by Pan_Yan
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To: driftdiver

IMHO he is open to a charge of negligence. Those who are not openly hostile to CCW permits could easily feel this man doesn’t deserve a get-out-of-jail-free card. And I agree.

With rights come responsibilities. In this case the responsibilities include the safe handling of the weapon you choose carry as an exercise your right to do so.


29 posted on 01/14/2011 6:20:57 AM PST by jwparkerjr (It's the Constitution, Stupid!)
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To: driftdiver

IMHO he is open to a charge of negligence. Those who are not openly hostile to CCW permits could easily feel this man doesn’t deserve a get-out-of-jail-free card. And I agree.

With rights come responsibilities. In this case the responsibilities include the safe handling of the weapon you carry as an exercise of your right to do so.


30 posted on 01/14/2011 6:21:50 AM PST by jwparkerjr (It's the Constitution, Stupid!)
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To: Doogle
don’t Derringers have safeties?

They don't even have trigger guards, which is why they are completely unsuited to personal defense.
31 posted on 01/14/2011 6:25:35 AM PST by obama-facts (www.obama-facts.org)
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To: Doogle

Most derringer safeties are what is between yer ears...

I won’t carry a derringer because of this very type of incident...

A holstered firearm, in my opinion (and I am sure to catch a lot of caca for this, but hey), is a more credible, and safe method of carrying as far as I am concerned...

In Texas, until an open carry provision is passed, we’ll have to canceal carry and put up with the weather extremes until that time...

It is unfortunate someone got hurt, and hopefully the permit holder will re-think their choice of firearm (and carry method) in the future...


32 posted on 01/14/2011 6:33:22 AM PST by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus' sayin')
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To: cpa4you

Well. your “distance” issue is a good one, but like I tell people from experience, if you are hurt and need top medical treatment, and are only able to say two words before you pass out...

“Ben Taub”...;-)

In some “area” medical protocols, when a GSW call comes in, it bypasses local facilities, which in some cases might very well be able to handle it, it just gets bumped up to the pros down in the Medical Center...


33 posted on 01/14/2011 6:39:45 AM PST by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus' sayin')
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To: stevie_d_64

The only safety on any Derringer of which I am aware is the semi-cocked position of the hammer. If dropped, the gun should not fire with the hammer in this position. Obviously, this guy was carrying around a weapon either fully cocked or with the hammer resting on the firing pin. Stupid either way. But then, he also showed his intelligence with the weapon of choice anyway.


34 posted on 01/14/2011 6:43:41 AM PST by TexasRedeye (Eschew obfuscation)
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To: Pan_Yan
Link?

Oops!

LINK to this posted Houston Chronicle story

35 posted on 01/14/2011 6:45:56 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife (Allhttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2122429/posts)
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To: 50mm

ROFL!


36 posted on 01/14/2011 7:58:37 AM PST by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR to pimp your blog!!!)
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To: TexasRedeye
Many derringers have safeties. All the Davis derringers do.

To set it you put the derringer in half cock and then push the safety button in.

37 posted on 01/14/2011 8:05:56 AM PST by Gabrial (The Whitehouse Nightmare will continue as long as the Nightmare is in the Whitehouse)
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To: Gabrial
Many derringers have safeties. All the Davis derringers do.

My bad! You are correct as my Davis .22WMR did have a real hammer block safety. Thanks for reminding/correcting me.

38 posted on 01/14/2011 8:22:55 AM PST by TexasRedeye (Eschew obfuscation)
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To: Doogle

Hair triggers will go off, if the gun is dropped.


39 posted on 01/14/2011 8:26:46 AM PST by upcountryhorseman (An old fashioned conservative)
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To: TexasRedeye

Does it seem to you that the hammer block works backwards for a right handed shooter? Does to me.


40 posted on 01/14/2011 9:11:58 AM PST by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: 50mm

Bwahahahahahahahaah!!!

“I’m a respected gun safety expert, dammit!”


41 posted on 01/14/2011 1:33:44 PM PST by Salamander (Cursed with Second Sight)
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To: Doogle

“..don’t Derringers have safeties?.”

no, and no trigger guard in most cases.


42 posted on 01/14/2011 3:17:29 PM PST by DBrow
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To: humblegunner
Affirmative action has hit Starfleet now??!

It's a fake badge. Bloggers make up stuff all the time.

43 posted on 01/14/2011 3:39:57 PM PST by 50mm (I don't use drugs, my dreams are frightening enough.)
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To: Salamander
I’m a respected gun safety expert, dammit!

All the students in his training classes have missing digits to prove it.

44 posted on 01/14/2011 3:47:31 PM PST by 50mm (I don't use drugs, my dreams are frightening enough.)
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To: 50mm

*snort*


45 posted on 01/14/2011 4:59:42 PM PST by Salamander (Cursed with Second Sight)
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To: 50mm; shibumi; Salamander

"There must have been a blogger convention in Houston."


46 posted on 01/14/2011 6:47:26 PM PST by Semper Mark (Cursed with a curse.)
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To: Markos33; shibumi; 50mm

Shatner is never to be mocked.

Shatner raises horses and Dobermanns.

Therefore, Shatner is Holy.

Salamander has spoken.

:-P


47 posted on 01/14/2011 7:49:47 PM PST by Salamander (Cursed with Second Sight)
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To: Salamander

“Shatner is never to be mocked.”

“Therfore, Shatner is Holy.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LAA9SK2sM4

(Forgive me, for I am the AntiKirk.) :^P


48 posted on 01/14/2011 8:06:47 PM PST by Semper Mark (Vlad Tepes was a piker.)
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To: Salamander; Markos33; shibumi
Therefore, Shatner is Holy.

He's a Yiffer.


49 posted on 01/14/2011 8:17:25 PM PST by 50mm (I don't use drugs, my dreams are frightening enough.)
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To: Markos33

LOL!


50 posted on 01/14/2011 8:18:34 PM PST by 50mm (I don't use drugs, my dreams are frightening enough.)
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