The Pope Rifle
Posted on 01/16/2011 4:10:55 AM PST by marktwain
Then why does the Pope allow it to continue? He can quite easily order them to disband their little traveling road show. Why doesn't he? Why doesn't he order the renegade Bishops back to Rome for a refresher course on what Jesus had to say on the subject?
“Write to the Pope about that. I don’t handle headline complaints.”
What’s your point?
Legitimate defense2263 The legitimate defense of persons and societies is not an exception to the prohibition against the murder of the innocent that constitutes intentional killing. "The act of self-defense can have a double effect: the preservation of one's own life; and the killing of the aggressor. . . . The one is intended, the other is not."65
2264 Love toward oneself remains a fundamental principle of morality. Therefore it is legitimate to insist on respect for one's own right to life. Someone who defends his life is not guilty of murder even if he is forced to deal his aggressor a lethal blow:
If a man in self-defense uses more than necessary violence, it will be unlawful: whereas if he repels force with moderation, his defense will be lawful. . . . Nor is it necessary for salvation that a man omit the act of moderate self-defense to avoid killing the other man, since one is bound to take more care of one's own life than of another's.662265 Legitimate defense can be not only a right but a grave duty for one who is responsible for the lives of others. The defense of the common good requires that an unjust aggressor be rendered unable to cause harm. For this reason, those who legitimately hold authority also have the right to use arms to repel aggressors against the civil community entrusted to their responsibility.
The Pope Rifle
You wrote:
“Then why does the Pope allow it to continue?”
What does the one thing have to do with the other?
“He can quite easily order them to disband their little traveling road show. Why doesn’t he?”
Again, what does the one thing have to do with the other?
“Why doesn’t he order the renegade Bishops back to Rome for a refresher course on what Jesus had to say on the subject?”
I’m sorry but you seem out of touch with reality on this matter. What renegade bishops? And if this was in about 1990, what makes you think they are still active bishops now?
Now you’re getting deep. I don’t do deep either.
But the Catholic Church does have a gun Saint by the name of Gabriel Possenti.
But the Catholic Church does have a gun Saint by the name of Gabriel Possenti.
My priest says that pacifism is not a doctrine of the Catholic Church. I’m not sure what this article says and it’s source, but I have learned to be wary of what the media says about the Church. It’s best to verify for yourself what was really said and it’s intended meaning.
The Catholic church has gotten far to involved in politics.
I was raised Catholic, but I consider myself just a regular ol' Bible-based Christian now because I disagree with so many things the Vatican has promoted and am also disappointed with what I see as a lot of double-standards and hypocrisy taking place.
Did you leave the church...or did the church leave you?
Too many liberals running the Catholic church in the USA. Nuns openly defy the Popes orders about certian things and priests become activists.
I didnt leave the Chruch, it left me when it started become leftist.
In one of my prior posts I said I did not so much leave the Church as the Church left me.
Vatican City & the Vatican Guards are long, long, long way from rural America.
Perhaps the Pope has a plan for OUT protection when we are alone & in danger?
I like the Pope- but I think he has enough on his plate for foreseeable future in solving the penophine problems within his own church.
Just sayin’.
Vatican City & the Vatican Guards are long, long, long way from rural America.
Perhaps the Pope has a plan for OUR protection when we are alone & in danger?
I like the Pope- but I think he has enough on his plate for foreseeable future in solving the penophine problems within his own church.
Just sayin’.
The Church has certainly NOT spoken on your local gun laws.
I am not aware of your definition of local, but on 3 occasions a bishop did interject The Church into the political process against concealed carry for citizens of The State of Missouri.
1996 in the diocesan newspaper Catholics were urged to contact their state representatives in Jefferson City and to ask them to vote against concealed carry.
1999 the diocesan newspaper printed verbatim the 1996 article, this time urging Catholics to vote against a proposition which would allow Missouri citizens to carry concealed firearms. This proposition was on a state wide ballot.
2003 the same bishop in written communication expressed his stance against concealed carry for Missourians. He sited a study that was financed in part by The Joyce Foundation (a anti-gun foundation) as a reason for his anti-concealed carry position.
I don't know if the above examples fit your criteria of a local bishop speaking for The Church on local gun laws, but they certainly do in my book.
The MCC also opposed conceal carry in Missouri
PS:
In 2003 concealed carry legislation was passed and conceal carry became legal in The State of Missouri.
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That’s cool. Howard Dean left his church over a bike path. We all have our reasons, I guess.
If it becomes an issue again, good Catholics need to be speaking up against such a position with rational arguments based on Scripture and the teachings of the Church. This is an issue where Catholics may legitimately agree with either side - thus it would not be incorrect for someone to promote a counter-point (though getting it published might be a challenge).
In 2003 concealed carry legislation was passed and conceal carry became legal in The State of Missouri.
And I hope there were plenty of Catholic voters who helped to push it over the top.
Is he still the Bishop, retired, or sent somewhere else? Must be sure he is added to my list of Bishops of whom to be wary.
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