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Giuliani defends Palin: Shooting had 'nothing to do' with 'a map'
The Hill ^ | 1-16-11 | John T. Bennett and Bridget Johnson

Posted on 01/16/2011 11:55:18 AM PST by Justaham

Onetime Republican presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani on Sunday defended Sarah Palin’s response to critics who placed partial blame for the shooting that injured Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.) on the former Alaska governor.

But Giuliani and New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R) questioned the wisdom of her response.

Several days after the mass shooting in Tucson, Ariz., Palin posted a video statement on her Facebook page charging her critics in the media had committed a “blood libel” for pinning blame on her.

Her critics said she had helped create a political atmosphere that could lead to such an event by previously posting a map with gun sights over some vulnerable lawmakers' districts. Those charges were “reprehensible,” Palin said last week.

But Palin’s use of “blood libel” only generated more criticism. The term has long referred to what many scholars call a false charge that Jews murdered children and used their blood for baking matzos during Passover.

Giuliani said during a “Face the Nation” interview on CBS that her use of that term was off the mark -- but the former New York City mayor also defended Palin.

He called her response to the blame “one of someone accused” unjustifiably, adding “facts and circumstances” uncovered thus far show alleged shooter Jared Loughner was not motivated by an politician or ideology. Rather, his apparent unstable mental condition is to blame, Giuliani said.

(Excerpt) Read more at thehill.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bloodlibel; chrischristie; christie; freepressforpalin; giffords; giuliani; palin; sarahpalin

1 posted on 01/16/2011 11:55:19 AM PST by Justaham
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To: Justaham

The shooting was caused by metaphors!

Liberals should demand the English language be banned now. BAN ENGLISH!


2 posted on 01/16/2011 11:56:59 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: FReepers
He Gave Everything

Will You Give Some?

3 posted on 01/16/2011 11:59:40 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: Justaham

Count on Rudy to keep one leg on each side of any fence.
I suspect him to jump on the gun control wagon again just as soon as he sees a chance.


4 posted on 01/16/2011 12:02:08 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, A Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Justaham

Alternate Title:

Establishment Republican Takes Sweet Time Coming to Palin Defense


5 posted on 01/16/2011 12:03:50 PM PST by Eddie01
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To: Justaham

Where are Rudy’s words that said she was off the mark? They only say he said it. If he did, I’d like to see his exact words, not their interpretation of it.


6 posted on 01/16/2011 12:04:21 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Justaham
These GOP insiders have all waited for the libel to stick before coming to the defense of the libeled. It's nice that Gingrich and Guliani have FINALLY started to take these weasels to task, but they waited to see if Palin was going to survive the attack before becoming her allies.

Which Republicans came to her defense last Sunday when the attacks started?

7 posted on 01/16/2011 12:05:05 PM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Justaham
Kind of late to the Party...


8 posted on 01/16/2011 12:06:41 PM PST by darkwing104 (Lets get dangerous)
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To: Justaham
Giuliani said during a “Face the Nation” interview on CBS that her use of that term was off the mark

What term comes closer to describing what they did? If it wasn't "Blood Libel" then what the hell was it?

The only Man in the Republican Presidential Pool is Sarah Palin, and maybe Michelle Bachmann.

9 posted on 01/16/2011 12:07:22 PM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Justaham

Time to reduce the GOP to 3rd party status.


10 posted on 01/16/2011 12:08:02 PM PST by roses of sharon (I can do all things through Him who strengthens me. Philippians 4:13)
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To: Justaham

So now we have Donald Trump and Rudy taking a stand...where is everyone else?
Romney is non commital and the huckster is gleefully applauding all this.


11 posted on 01/16/2011 12:12:24 PM PST by rrrod (at home in Medellin Colombia)
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To: Justaham

Eight days after the shootings and the main topic on every news show is Sarah Palin. Now if Obama did such a magical job during the “Memorial Service” why is no one talking about him?


12 posted on 01/16/2011 12:14:34 PM PST by jerseyrocks
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To: jerseyrocks

shows to go ya that there is no such thing as bad publicity.

palin/bachmann : PaBach (payback) will be a “female dog” to the Rats


13 posted on 01/16/2011 12:23:12 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: presently no screen name
Why bother? To the rabid Palin-is-God defenders, you can say 50 nice things about her but if you give one criticism you are the root of all evil.

Rudy went into the harpy lion's den which is The View and defended her to the hilt taking all kinds of flak. He defends her here again, but instead of appreciation, the rabid Palin supporters tear him apart.

Just as Palin can't win with the media, one can't win discussing Palin unless you never ever say one even remotely negative thing about her.

It sure doesn't help her cause.
14 posted on 01/16/2011 12:23:37 PM PST by over3Owithabrain
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To: jerseyrocks
Because Obama fails at everything he does!


15 posted on 01/16/2011 12:24:33 PM PST by KC_Lion (Lord help our Armed Service members that they not become pawns in Hussein's quest to destroy America)
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To: over3Owithabrain

Seems you are working on your agenda than what I posted - only using it for a rant. I said nothing against Rudy but at the author of the article - his words should be included. Keeping the media honest.

No matter what is posted - the eternal mantra - “it won’t help her cause” is included. If your cause isn’t the same as Sarah’s - you could give a flip about God, Family, Country.


16 posted on 01/16/2011 12:31:06 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Justaham

The irony is that with all these liberals trying to pin this on Palin, is that they are unwittingly buying into the theories spouted by Loughner - that words could perform mind control over their subjects and make them do things.

And Loughner was crazy.


17 posted on 01/16/2011 12:42:57 PM PST by Free Vulcan (The cult of Islam must be eradicated by any means necessary.)
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To: P-Marlowe

One word she could have used, rather than “blood libel”, is defamation. The idiot liberals are guilty of both slander (spoken defamation) and libel (written defamation) against her and all conservatives.

She must have thought long and hard about using “blood libel”, given how she had to have known that it was going to stir up another hornet’s nest of idiot liberals in the media and the Demonrat party.

So she used “blood libel” intentionally, in order to get the exact reaction that ensued.

I think the words defamation, libel and slander have lost most of their power and effect (because the left inhabits these concepts every day, just about everything they say and do defames someone who disagrees with them), and therefore would have been mostly ignored had she just used one of those. She needed something much stronger to vividly illustrate the nature of the left’s sickness and mental illness.

Once again, Sarah Palin drives the debate.


18 posted on 01/16/2011 12:43:02 PM PST by Newtoidaho (Liberals are drooling buffoons backed by satanic goons.)
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To: Justaham

Good for Rudy for speaking out. He didn’t have to do so.


19 posted on 01/16/2011 12:46:35 PM PST by Padams
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To: presently no screen name

Ooookk. Thanks for proving my point.


20 posted on 01/16/2011 12:55:16 PM PST by over3Owithabrain
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To: over3Owithabrain

I so agree...

by never allowing ANY criticism of her...the Palin fans create exactly what the left does...a caricature of Palin,
one is perfectly evil, the other perfectly good....

but certainly not a person of substance that can easily handle critics.


21 posted on 01/16/2011 12:59:25 PM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie
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To: Newtoidaho
One word she could have used, rather than “blood libel”, is defamation.

That is too broad. It doesn't make that point that what they were accusing her of was "having blood on her hands". Those words were used by Commentators in the MSM including the New York Times. That was BLOOD LIBEL and nothing less.

You defame someone when you claim that they lied when they didn't. That is defamation. When you accuse someone of being complicit in a massacre of innocent people, you are committing nothing less than BLOOD LIBEL. That term is not uniquely owned by the Jews any more than the word HOLOCAUST, which is used by Liberals to speak about Kentucky Fried Chicken. Liberals have diluted the whole meaning of the word Holocaust.

Palin has done nothing more than educate the public. People not only know that Palin was the target of liberal Blood Libel, but that Jews historically have been the target and still are the target of Islamic Blood Libel.

Once again, Sarah Palin drives the debate.

As always.

22 posted on 01/16/2011 1:06:12 PM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Newtoidaho

You’re correct. The simple words defamation, libel and slander were too impotent to actually define what happened. The media was reveling in the fresh blood of innocents, deliberately trying to pin mass-murder on Palin and the Tea Party. “Blood Libel” is a gravely serious accusation, but in this case is was spot-on accurate.


23 posted on 01/16/2011 1:06:26 PM PST by greene66
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To: over3Owithabrain

Perhaps waiting for the dead to be buried is the proper time to now defend. Just an observation...


24 posted on 01/16/2011 1:18:31 PM PST by goat granny
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To: Justaham

Palin performed a surgical stike on Soetoro before his Pep Rally Memorial. This kept him on the fence and on the defensive in his speech.


25 posted on 01/16/2011 1:27:54 PM PST by VRWC For Truth (Throw the bums out who vote yes on the bailout)
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To: Justaham
Sarah Palin, in her now-famous Facebook speech, struck just the right tone. In my opinion, her use of the phrase 'blood libel' to describe the false accusations that charged her with having a moral responsibility for the deaths in the Tuscon, Arizona rampage of a lunatic, based on her opposition to the Obama/Democrat agenda and the use of 'targets' on an electoral map and the phrase (in losing an election), "don't retreat, reload" was apt - and unquestionably effective. Sarah Palin is constantly called 'divisive', mostly by Democrats that despise what she stands for and by some Republicans that prefer someone else as the Republican presidential candidate in 2012. The reality is that Palin is only 'divisive' to those who disagree with either her political positions or her viability as a GOP presidential candidate. Sometimes both. They'll have to get over it.
26 posted on 01/16/2011 2:59:36 PM PST by Jim Scott
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To: over3Owithabrain

And you proved mine - for it’s obvious you see what isn’t there - and proved it by your posts.


27 posted on 01/16/2011 4:36:34 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name

His words... starting at the 00:08:30 mark.
“... yeah, she used the wrong word in responding to it...
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7252222n&tag=contentMain;contentBody

But generally, he defended her.


28 posted on 01/16/2011 5:38:35 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Controlling carbon is a bureaucrat's dream. If you control carbon, you control life" --Lindzen)
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To: calcowgirl

Yes I know he defended her - that wasn’t in question. I was questioning the author - wanted to read Rudy’s words and not the author’s interpretation. IOW, I don’t trust the media. Thank you!


29 posted on 01/16/2011 5:59:44 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name
wanted to read Rudy’s words and not the author’s interpretation.

Then listen to the video I posted. Sheesh! Are you waiting for a transcript, or what?

30 posted on 01/16/2011 6:06:03 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Controlling carbon is a bureaucrat's dream. If you control carbon, you control life" --Lindzen)
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To: calcowgirl

What are you talking about? What made you think I didn’t listen?

I was explaining what my original concern was hearing/reading HIS words. And saying thanks should have been another clue that I listened! Geez.


31 posted on 01/16/2011 6:21:15 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: P-Marlowe

32 posted on 01/16/2011 6:53:17 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Please donate to FreeRepublic, sanity in a world gone mad!)
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To: presently no screen name
What made you think I didn’t listen?

Perhaps because you made no mention of listening to his actual words, or acknowledging that I gave you a quote? Just a thought.

I was explaining what my original concern was hearing/reading HIS words.

No explanation was required. I understood quite clearly and that is why I gave you a link - to hear for yourself.

And saying thanks should have been another clue that I listened!

The words it followed made it sound quite sarcastic.

But you're welcome.

33 posted on 01/16/2011 7:35:42 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Controlling carbon is a bureaucrat's dream. If you control carbon, you control life" --Lindzen)
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To: calcowgirl

Thank you, I do appreciate it. Sorry for any misunderstanding on my part.


34 posted on 01/16/2011 9:28:38 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Justaham

It’s disappointing to me to hear that Giuliani decided to pile on Palin. He was—up until this moment—my favorite Rino. Now, I have no favorite Rino.


35 posted on 01/17/2011 6:59:20 AM PST by PaleoBob
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