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California may have the highest costs for charging electric vehicles
Los Angeles Times ^
| January 14, 2011
| Tiffany Hsu
Posted on 01/16/2011 8:39:26 PM PST by Rabin
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To: Redbob
A more likely scenario is that all those figures are doubled: 20 HP -> 15 kW-hr per hour of operation.
At California’s 2010 average residential electricity rate of 15 cents per kW-hr. this is then about $2.25 per hour of operation.
Not a bad deal, actually.
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posted on
01/16/2011 9:10:49 PM PST
by
Redbob
(W.W.J.B.D.: "What Would Jack Bauer Do?")
To: Prokopton; truthguy
Gee, I wonder how much generation capacity would be freed up, if they deported all (or even most) of their beloved undocument immigrants AKA crimaliens?
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posted on
01/16/2011 9:13:23 PM PST
by
ApplegateRanch
(Made in America, by proud American citizens, in 1946.)
To: Rabin
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posted on
01/16/2011 9:13:52 PM PST
by
calcowgirl
("Controlling carbon is a bureaucrat's dream. If you control carbon, you control life" --Lindzen)
To: Rabin
During some hot summer month the extra electrical load of
charging cars is going to help bring down the power grid
for a few days until the neighborhoods start to reek of
rotting food. I who they're going to blame
then for the inconvenience.
To: Rabin
Imagine when a whole flock of them arrive in a business’ parking lot in the morning and expect to charge up for free for the commute home in the evening.
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posted on
01/16/2011 9:18:54 PM PST
by
NonValueAdded
(Palin 2012: don't retreat, just restock [chg'd to comply w/ The Civility in Discourse Act of 2011])
To: TaMoDee
Just for the hell of it I called a local electricial contractor to get an estimate for the installation of a plug in charge station at my home. Hang on folks $2850+! Just plug it into the electric clothes dryer socket,,,usually 220V.
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posted on
01/16/2011 9:20:05 PM PST
by
spokeshave
(Islamics and Democrats unite to cut off Adam Smith's invisible hand)
To: Redbob
Only if you are the only one in your area with one. Wait until every tree hugger in the neighbourhood is charging.
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posted on
01/16/2011 9:28:08 PM PST
by
Army Air Corps
(Four fried chickens and a coke)
To: NonValueAdded
cities here in cal are already setting up charging stations, gee I wonder who is going to be paying for the elect used......
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posted on
01/16/2011 9:30:06 PM PST
by
markman46
(engage brain before using keyboard!!!)
To: Redbob
Also, the state and Feds will find a way to make up for the drop in fuel tax revenue (Think “seperate meter for your car charging station with a special electric car rate per kW Hour.”).
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posted on
01/16/2011 9:31:40 PM PST
by
Army Air Corps
(Four fried chickens and a coke)
To: spokeshave
Just for the hell of it I called a local electricial contractor to get an estimate for the installation of a plug in charge station at my home. Hang on folks $2850+! Just plug it into the electric clothes dryer socket,,,usually 220V.
I'm pretty sure it uses a special much higher amperage outlet (along with heavier gauge wiring) and that the plug from the Volt is of a different design from electric dryer plugs, and could not be plugged into a dryer outlet. Even a small homeowners type arc welder you can buy at Home Depot will not plug into a dryer outlet. They require a heavy amperage outlet and special wiring.
To: NonValueAdded
Imagine when a whole flock of them arrive in a business parking lot in the morning and expect to charge up for free for the commute home in the evening. My building's parking contractor has been working with the on-site facility manager to get ahead of the curve. They've placed solid cover plates over all the wall outlets on the parking levels.
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posted on
01/16/2011 10:21:15 PM PST
by
Charles Martel
(Endeavor to persevere...)
To: ApplegateRanch
To: Redbob
your assuming 100% efficiency.
746 watts = 1 Hp.
Battery chargers are less then 65% efficient due to poor
power factor and harmonic distortion.
Batteries are not 100% electrochemical converters.
More on the order of 60% - 70%.
That's why they get so damn hot when you charge them.
You can not put 1kw into a battery and get 1kw
out. Not never.
Electrical distribution losses from the grid to the
chargers can easily be 8%.
High power chargers will have 3 - 5 % power loss just
in local wiring alone.
Traction Inverters tend to be around 85 -90 % efficient.
Add it up.
Carnot's law will not be broken.
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posted on
01/16/2011 10:37:32 PM PST
by
DaveTesla
(You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
To: Rabin
To: Rabin
In short, you just can’t win.
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posted on
01/16/2011 10:39:26 PM PST
by
Nowhere Man
(General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
To: TaMoDee
But the good people of California voted for liberalism so
they must desire to be poor.
Lemmings over the cliff.
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posted on
01/16/2011 10:39:30 PM PST
by
ChiMark
To: Rabin
They’ll save the same amount by banning incandescent light bulbs? (sarc off)
Wasn’t the whole point of banning light bulbs to save on the generation of coal fired electricity?
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posted on
01/17/2011 12:08:08 AM PST
by
Hypo2
To: Talf
To: Eye of Unk
“Power thefts will be on the rise”
The state of California will have the increased cost of patrolling high volt towers, looking for pirate wires run parallel to the high voltage source stealing inductively induced electricity from said high volt towers.
Did I just say that? Ma bad!
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posted on
01/17/2011 12:35:30 AM PST
by
Puckster
To: ChiMark
“Lemmings over the cliff.”
A falacy that Californians may prove right?
News at 11.
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posted on
01/17/2011 12:37:37 AM PST
by
Puckster
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