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Drugs and Guns (Chuck Schumer's latest scheme)
NATIONAL REVIEW ONLINE - The Corner ^ | January 18, 2011 | Robert VerBruggen

Posted on 01/18/2011 1:47:43 PM PST by neverdem

Chuck Schumer proposes that when prospective military recruits admit drug use in interviews — as Tucson shooter Jared Lee Loughner did — they should be reported to the FBI and entered into the database of people who are forbidden to buy guns.

As Schumer points out, it is already illegal to sell a gun to a drug user or addict; this policy, therefore, would make existing law more effective. However, there are several reasons to be concerned.

The first is that Americans have a Second Amendment right to own handguns, and this right cannot be denied without due process. Schumer’s policy, as outlined in a letter to Attorney General Eric Holder and the director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, contains little in the way of process: The military would report to the FBI, and the individual’s gun rights would be gone.

The second is that Schumer has offered no guidelines as to how long these individuals would stay in the database. Federal law doesn’t forbid selling guns to former drug users or addicts (so long as they are non-felons), or even to those convicted of misdemeanor drug offenses, and there’s no reason to deny rights to people for life on the grounds of their smoking pot at 17. There should be a way for these individuals to get their Second Amendment rights back — for example, by passing drug tests.

Third, there is no reason to believe that this would prevent violence. Loughner went on his rampage because he was mentally ill, not because he was a drug user; many drugs, pot in particular, do not cause violent behavior in themselves; and the most worrisome participants in the drug trade — dealers, addicts of hard drugs — often have convictions that make them ineligible to own guns anyway. What’s more, this new policy would apply only to drug users who admitted their illegal behavior to government officials, a phenomenon that seems to be rare. One Army official called Loughner’s admission “bizarre,” adding, “I certainly wouldn’t go through the whole process only to say, ‘Hey, I’ve been smoking marijuana for the past couple of years.’”

Fourth, removing the privacy protections from the military’s recruiting interviews will give candidates a reason to be less frank, denying the armed services crucial information.

Drugs are illegal, for good or (mostly) ill, and therefore drug users are by definition criminals. This makes them legitimate targets for gun control. But let’s not be under any illusion that policies such as Schumer’s will accomplish anything more than satisfying the urge to Do Something.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: ban; banglist; chuckiecarriesgun; schmuckie; schumer; schumerhashandgun; scummer; shroomer
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1 posted on 01/18/2011 1:47:50 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

I propose we ban Chuck Schumer. He should be illegal and locked up.


2 posted on 01/18/2011 1:51:00 PM PST by RickB444 (Beat your sword into plowshares, but wind up plowing the fields of someone who kept their sword.)
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To: neverdem

We have a President of the United States that admits to using drugs.

Would Chuck the Schmuck deny the President the right toown a handgun? Would he deny Patrick Kennedy the right to own a handgun?

Chuck the Schmuck is so full of crap it should be running out of his ears.

Gee Schmuck: How would you find out the names of people who used drugs and did not go to a military recruiter.

He must have picked this booger out of his nose.


3 posted on 01/18/2011 1:57:56 PM PST by Venturer
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To: neverdem
The first is that Americans have a Second Amendment right to own handguns

Actually Chuckie, it doesn't specify handguns.
4 posted on 01/18/2011 1:59:27 PM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: neverdem

Chucky — how about requiring college applicants to answer the question on their applications and then repeat it on annual statements as a requirement for receiving any financial aid?


5 posted on 01/18/2011 1:59:28 PM PST by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: neverdem

I see the “Don’t ask, don’t tell” policy is beyond chuckies grasp.


6 posted on 01/18/2011 2:00:27 PM PST by blackdog
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; wku man; SLB; ...

Chuck Schumer -- the hypocritical, smug, pompous asshat who has always worked to see us peasants disarmed.


7 posted on 01/18/2011 2:00:35 PM PST by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: neverdem
Our side is missing the ball on this one.

Why isn't our side calling for a new to outlaw all Schizophrenia!

Make it a 1st degree felony with mandatory 5 year mental health incarceration.

Show them Democrats that Republicans can propose "good" laws too!

8 posted on 01/18/2011 2:00:46 PM PST by TexasCajun
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To: TexasCajun

The democrats would lose half their base.


9 posted on 01/18/2011 2:04:48 PM PST by stevio (God, guns, guts.)
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To: neverdem

As the pen is mightier than the sword, how about we make it illegal for current and former drug users to hold elected office. (Yes, coke is and was illegal)

Random drug testing for anyone holding any elected office, just to keep folks honest.


10 posted on 01/18/2011 2:05:27 PM PST by wrench
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To: RickB444

Schumer is nothing but a self gratuitous a$$hole who should be banned from everything.


11 posted on 01/18/2011 2:07:07 PM PST by JEC ((Pray for ALL our troops))
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To: neverdem
Fur Shur "Chucky" Schumer has a horse in this race ~ he does not want people tried and convicted for being totally whacked out nutballs ~ else, he'd never get out of jail.

That's why he's diverting our attention to bullets and stuff.

12 posted on 01/18/2011 2:08:37 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: neverdem

Once a putzhead, always a putzhead.


13 posted on 01/18/2011 2:10:45 PM PST by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: neverdem

I think Chuck Schummer is on drugs.


14 posted on 01/18/2011 2:10:52 PM PST by Nakota
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To: neverdem
Drugs are illegal, for good or (mostly) ill...
No, Robert, drugs are not illegal, no matter what you have been taught or led to believe.
Drugs are controlled substances.
For example, "possession of a controlled substance", not "possession of an illegal drug". Or "sale of a controlled substance", not "sale of an illegal drug".
If "drugs" were, in and of themselves, 'illegal' then no doctor anywhere could prescribe any drugs at any time. By 'controlling' drugs the government gets to restrict acts committed with regards to certain 'drugs'.

... and therefore drug users are by definition criminals.
Wrong again. Drug users are, by definition, statutory violators. A person speeding down a road is also a statutory violator, but they can hardly be called a criminal in the manner you're implying.

15 posted on 01/18/2011 2:11:28 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: neverdem

When they admit drug use does that include the drug alcohol?

I’m going to start an “Oh, come now!” award. Oh, come now, Sen. Schumer.


16 posted on 01/18/2011 2:14:11 PM PST by Terry Mross (I voted for McCain and WASTED my vote.)
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To: Joe Brower

Where’s Chuckie’s eye protection?


17 posted on 01/18/2011 2:50:52 PM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: neverdem
Chuck Schumer is a worthless, bottom-dwelling parasite. After watching his despicable behavior during the Waco testimony, hearing he's proposing something like this comes as no surprise. NY’ers should be ashamed of themselves for continually validating Chuckie’s parking slip.

I highly recommend “Waco; Rules of Engagement” to anyone who wants to see Chuckie and the rest of Washington's vermin in action.

18 posted on 01/18/2011 2:57:50 PM PST by liberalh8ter
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To: facedown
Where’s Chuckie’s eye protection?

Eye protection is only for the peasants.

19 posted on 01/18/2011 3:00:19 PM PST by SIDENET ("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
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To: neverdem

How this turd keeps getting elected is beyond me.
I don;t know of anyone who votes for him, yet he crushes all opposition in the polls.


20 posted on 01/18/2011 4:19:38 PM PST by Munz (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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