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Genetically selecting 'gay' embryos?
WorldNetDaily ^ | January 23, 2001 | Drew Zahn

Posted on 01/24/2011 7:15:14 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

If two homosexual men want to use in vitro fertilization to conceive a baby and then use genetics technology to ensure the baby is also "gay," while disposing of any "straight" embryos, would the law have any ethical problems with that?

America's leading ethicist in the field of human reproduction has written a paper that argues future homosexual couples should have "the right" to do exactly that.

John A. Robertson of the University of Texas Law School is the chair of the Ethics Committee of the American Society for Reproductive Medicine and an advocate of what his book "Children of Choice" calls "procreative liberty."

In a paper for the Washington, D.C., think tank Brookings Institution, Robertson presents a futuristic scenario where advancing science and society's evolving morality could create a once only dreamed-of ethical dilemma:

"Larry, a pediatrician, and David, a wills lawyer, meet in their late 20s, fall in love, and marry on June 15, 2025, in Indianapolis," Robertson writes. "By 2030, they are well-enough established in their careers to think about having their own child. Larry's 24-year-old sister Marge has agreed to donate her eggs, and David will provide the sperm, so that each partner will have a genetic connection with the child. … In the process, Larry and David come to realize that they would prefer to have a male child that shares their sexual orientation."

He continues, "The clinic doctors are experts in embryo screening and alteration, but cannot guarantee that the resulting embryos will in fact turn out to be homosexual. To increase the certainty, they will insert additional 'gay gene' sequences in the embryos."

While Robertson admits no such "gay gene" has yet been identified, he argues that genomic knowledge is "mushrooming."

(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...


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KEYWORDS: embryos; gaygenes; gaymarriage; gays; homosexualagenda; homosexuals; ivf; johnarobertson

1 posted on 01/24/2011 7:15:17 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

A question posed a few years back was: if a baby’s sexual orientation can some day be determined during pregnancy, will gays or leftists object to a woman’s ‘right to choose’ in that circumstance?


2 posted on 01/24/2011 7:19:07 PM PST by Will88
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Sounds like somebody is seeking a new means of justifying forcing homosexuality on kids.

“The embryo was gay, so who are we to judge”


3 posted on 01/24/2011 7:19:21 PM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

We’ll see how they react when people choose to abort genetically predisposed “gay” children.


4 posted on 01/24/2011 7:22:07 PM PST by ResearchMonkey (Holding Conservative Country in California.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I don’t care what year they do it in... there’s no gay gene.

If they want their son to be gay, they have to hand him over to a pedophile at an early age.


5 posted on 01/24/2011 7:29:00 PM PST by samtheman
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To: samtheman
Turn over hell, the odds are he will be living with two.
6 posted on 01/24/2011 7:33:51 PM PST by org.whodat
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Sure...why not just come up with three more reasons to discard more embryos. /sarc


7 posted on 01/24/2011 7:35:06 PM PST by NordP (COMMON SENSE CONSERVATIVES - Love of Country, Less Govt, Stop Spending, No Govt Run Health Care!!!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

It’s not genetic.


8 posted on 01/24/2011 7:35:11 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (Liberals are educated above their level of intelligence.. Thanks Sr. Angelica)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
If two homosexual men want to use in vitro fertilization to conceive a baby and then use genetics technology to ensure the baby is also "gay . . .

Well, good luck with that. There hasn't been a "gay" gene identified.

9 posted on 01/24/2011 7:41:45 PM PST by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier preparing to deploy to Afghanistan)
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To: TASMANIANRED

If genetics are involved, it’s because of a malfunctioning gene, not a normal alternative form of sexuality.


10 posted on 01/24/2011 7:46:26 PM PST by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier preparing to deploy to Afghanistan)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Then they can ethically have their baby born with two livers to replace the one I am going to abuse.

They don’t really need two and manipulating a predisposition seems natural and moral to me. /s


11 posted on 01/24/2011 7:49:43 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously..... You won't live through it anyway.)
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To: Vendome

‘Going to abuse’? Hell son, you’re runnin’ behind. Get with the program! Let me mix up a pitcher of extra dry Martinis, potato Vodka and extra dry Vermouth. Three olives.


12 posted on 01/24/2011 7:54:21 PM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

They will NEVER find the magic gene that proves inateness of their CHOSEN behavior but none the less they experience rights far beyond that of all other people around the world. I resent their trumping of rights in the name of their choice...I resent further their God-Complex when it comes to such things.


13 posted on 01/24/2011 7:56:05 PM PST by ICE-FLYER (God bless and keep the United States of America)
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To: MHGinTN

Dang’d right!


14 posted on 01/24/2011 7:56:42 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously..... You won't live through it anyway.)
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To: Will88

Newsflash (not to Will88, but to everyone)
No such thing as a gay embryo, never will be.


15 posted on 01/24/2011 7:59:15 PM PST by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

There is no gay gene. It’s environmental upbringing. If it was genetic, there’d be no way NOT to be gay. Science has already proven it is not genetic. Identical twins, when one is “gay”, the other twin is “gay” only about half the time.

If it were genetic, both twins would have NO CHOICE but to be gay.

There is no gay gene. Even gay researchers know the implication of the identical twin findings. THey hope that you never do.


16 posted on 01/24/2011 8:02:07 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: samtheman
If they want their son to be gay, they have to hand him over to a pedophile at an early age.

Actually it's an overbearing mother and unassertive father that will cause the child to reverse pattern to the incorrect sex as a role model. That is why statistically it is usually the youngest child that turns gay.

18 posted on 01/24/2011 8:11:42 PM PST by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: Vendome

I just went to the liquor closet to pour and noticed the liter of Bombay Sapphire I hadn’t opened yet. So I made a double gin with vermouth and four olives. Having cheese sticks with it then off to bed.


19 posted on 01/24/2011 8:17:05 PM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: kabumpo
Newsflash (not to Will88, but to everyone) No such thing as a gay embryo, never will be.

Newsflash to kabumpo: Doesn't change the fact that the hypothetical question has been posed and discussed, and will probably be discussed again.

20 posted on 01/24/2011 8:24:01 PM PST by Will88
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

That’s quite an accomplishment. These guys have inventented a whole new dimension of child abuse.


21 posted on 01/24/2011 8:24:06 PM PST by tacticalogic
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
You can't make this stuff up.....

yiminy...

22 posted on 01/24/2011 8:26:17 PM PST by Wings-n-Wind (The main things are the plain things!)
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To: MHGinTN

Cheese sticks? LOL


23 posted on 01/24/2011 8:26:26 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously..... You won't live through it anyway.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

HEY TEXANS—do you like where your tax dollars are going to educate lawyers in the Lone Star State?


24 posted on 01/24/2011 8:32:28 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: Vendome

Breaded Mozzerella ... I’m gonna invent a mixed drink one of these days that incorporates cheese sticks, or string cheese ... Mmmm, this Bombay Gin is SOOOOO good! Just the perfect blend of flavors. The vapor wafts up through the sinues like nectar.


25 posted on 01/24/2011 8:34:35 PM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: samtheman
I don’t care what year they do it in... there’s no gay gene.

If they want their son to be gay, they have to hand him over to a pedophile at an early age.

Thank you. You posted my thoughts exactly! There is no "Gay gene."

26 posted on 01/24/2011 8:41:20 PM PST by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
The proper way to play these games is to reverse the situation so that the given minority is on the receiving end of the discrimination. Of course, as someone who believes that all embryos are human life, any such "reductions" are murder.

What would happen if it was the gay embryos which were murdered? Would we be hearing about this story only on this site, or would it be all over the news?

27 posted on 01/24/2011 8:46:45 PM PST by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: pnh102

“What would happen if it was the gay embryos which were murdered?”

You can bet that is exactly what would happen; the most adamant supporters of “gay rights” will privately confide that the behaviour is sickening & un-natural. Many parents that can determine that their child is gay before the legal cut-off for abortion will opt for that “solution”.

Look at how the abortion debate has come full circle in India: When people started aborting females disproportionately (a dowry can be several YEARS’ wages), the government outlawed abortions after the gender had been determined. The Indians either continued the practice with the complicity of their doctors, or when that failed, simply left the female infants to die on the side of the road. I guess “choice” is good, but only if you make the “choice” that the government determines to be in the best interests of the state...


28 posted on 01/24/2011 9:09:52 PM PST by kearnyirish2
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Just a thought experiment regarding the “next shoe to drop” in gay marriage:

What if it is positively determined by geneticists that there is no gay gene and that this finding becomes generally accepted by society? Then in states that recognize gay marriage, it would almost certainly become legally acceptable for a gay couple to “reorient” a child that would otherwise have grown up with both oars in the water.


29 posted on 01/24/2011 10:31:06 PM PST by haroldeveryman
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

The problem is, as the twins study shows, you could CLONE your gay self and still not be sure you’d get a gay kid.

On the other hand, gay parents do a good job of turning their kids gay, but we can’t talk about that because you “can’t” turn someone gay, after all. It’s just random chance that the son of gay parents is more likely to be gay.


30 posted on 01/24/2011 11:37:19 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

This one seems a lot easier than the all-too-real discussion a few years back, about whether two deaf parents have the right to genetically test to make certain that their child is deaf, because they want their child to grow up in “their culture”.


31 posted on 01/24/2011 11:39:44 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
So, does an "intersex" person who wants to have a child who's also "intersex" have the "right" to butcher the child genetically in the womb in the interest of "reproductive choice" to fullfil its evil desires?

On a side note, why do we find that we have to constantly use "double quotes" in any discussion relating to these perverts nowadays?

32 posted on 01/25/2011 9:21:10 AM PST by fwdude (Anita Bryant was right.)
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To: Will88

Dang, I was just about to ask the exact same thing? Would gays care if a woman could abort or make all her kids be straight? They probably wouldn’t care or answer because they primarily just want to spite religion right now, and being pro-abortion is probably in the top five ways you can spite religion nowadays.


33 posted on 01/25/2011 11:28:36 AM PST by Morpheus2009 ("God doesn't play dice" - Albert Einstein)
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To: SoldierDad

I figure that scientists will eventually discover that homosexual tendencies are determined, in part, by one or more combinations of recessive genes.


34 posted on 01/25/2011 12:19:44 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (up)
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To: haroldeveryman

Why in the world would anyone want their child to become a butt-plunger or lady-licker?


35 posted on 01/25/2011 12:31:33 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (up)
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To: haroldeveryman

“Why in the world would anyone want their child to become a butt-plunger or lady-licker?”

I’ve got no idea why. I’m just assuming that if a gay couple engage in a legal gay marriage, then there’s a fair chance that they are OK with main streaming butt-plunging and rug chomping. That doesn’ t necessarily mean that many or most of them would not be responsible adoptive parents. But as far as I know, this is probably uncharted territory.

Then there’s the question of whether State authorities would act with sufficient care in handling gay adoptions. Forget that. Amazingly, there have been efforts (reported in recent days) by school administrators and teachers to promote these “life styles” with small children in public schools.


36 posted on 01/25/2011 9:12:38 PM PST by haroldeveryman
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Darwin is spinning in his grave.


37 posted on 01/25/2011 9:33:04 PM PST by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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