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The US agents tracking down sex tourists in Cambodia
BBC ^ | January 29, 2011 | David Henshaw

Posted on 01/30/2011 4:59:22 PM PST by decimon

As part of an initiative to protect children from sexual predators, including those who travel overseas, special US agents operating in South East Asia have brought more than 80 alleged child sex tourists back to America to face justice.

Sihanoukville looks like paradise, or at least a decent, low-rent version. Golden beaches, swaying palm trees, cheap alcohol and shimmering sea.

Retired American pharmacist Ronald Adams had come here for the good life - setting up a beachside cafe. But one morning last February Adams' personal vision of paradise was shattered, when officers from the Cambodian National Police raided his apartment.

They found a collection of sex aids, child pornography on DVDs and a variety of illegal drugs. Adams was accused of drugging and raping a 12-year-old girl.

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: moralabsolutes; pedophile; sextourism; sextrafficking

1 posted on 01/30/2011 4:59:23 PM PST by decimon
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To: decimon

How do US courts legally have jurisdiction over crimes committed abroad? This type of precedent will allow for terrorists at Club Gitmo to be tried here.


2 posted on 01/30/2011 5:01:33 PM PST by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: decimon

All pedophiles should get the death penalty. All of them.


3 posted on 01/30/2011 5:04:45 PM PST by Joyell
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To: pnh102
How do US courts legally have jurisdiction over crimes committed abroad? This type of precedent will allow for terrorists at Club Gitmo to be tried here.

I'm also concerned with how this might carry over to other matters. Unless it's an established practice with just some sort of crimes.

4 posted on 01/30/2011 5:06:29 PM PST by decimon
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To: decimon

I know we’re broke, but since we’ll go broke anyway, this borrowed is money well spent.


5 posted on 01/30/2011 5:06:37 PM PST by mewykwistmas ("Politicians are the same all over. They promise to build a bridge even where there is no river. ")
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To: decimon

A Homeland Security Department function is looking for child abusers in Cambodia? How does this relate to the security of the United States? What am I missing here?


6 posted on 01/30/2011 5:07:47 PM PST by johniegrad
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To: pnh102

While I agree that sex with children is abominable, this is a minefield legally. It sets a pathway for the US government to prosecute other things you do in foreign countries. In some foreign countries, the drug laws are non-existent. So are federal agents in those countries going to return citizens to the US to stand trial even though under the laws of those countries no crime was committed? This is the opening of Pandora’s box?


7 posted on 01/30/2011 5:08:06 PM PST by MissouriConservative (Every election is a sort of advance auction sale of stolen goods. - H. L Mencken)
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To: Joyell
All pedophiles should get the death penalty. All of them.

I would imagine it would be more likely for these perverts to be put to death in Cambodia than here.

8 posted on 01/30/2011 5:10:19 PM PST by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: pnh102

Because as long as you are a citizen there are reciprocal rights and responsibilities. The sex tourism enforcement has been brought about by a complex series of treaties.

If pharmacy boy had emigrated and given up his US citizenship, then they would be taking care of him over there. Of course... He would also be going to die, but that’s not necessarily bad.


9 posted on 01/30/2011 5:10:19 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.8)
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To: pnh102

They actually do. IIRC, even two US teens having sex with each other in Europe, have technically committed a felony.
http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PageServlet?LanguageCountry=en_US&PageId=1499
Laws Concerning Sex Tourism Involving Children

Federal Laws

18 U.S.C. § 2423 (2008)

§ 2423. TRANSPORTATION OF MINORS

(a) Transportation with intent to engage in criminal sexual activity. A person who knowingly transports an individual who has not attained the age of 18 years in interstate or foreign commerce, or in any commonwealth, territory or possession of the United States, with intent that the individual engage in prostitution, or in any sexual activity for which any person can be charged with a criminal offense, shall be fined under this title and imprisoned not less than 10 years or for life.

(b) Travel with intent to engage in illicit sexual conduct. A person who travels in interstate commerce or travels into the United States, or a United States citizen or an alien admitted for permanent residence in the United States who travels in foreign commerce, for the purpose of engaging in any illicit sexual conduct with another person shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 30 years, or both.

(c) Engaging in illicit sexual conduct in foreign places. Any United States citizen or alien admitted for permanent residence who travels in foreign commerce, and engages in any illicit sexual conduct with another person shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 30 years, or both.

(d) Ancillary offenses. Whoever, for the purpose of commercial advantage or private financial gain, arranges, induces, procures, or facilitates the travel of a person knowing that such a person is traveling in interstate commerce or foreign commerce for the purpose of engaging in illicit sexual conduct shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 30 years, or both.

(e) Attempt and conspiracy. Whoever attempts or conspires to violate subsection (a), (b), (c), or (d) shall be punishable in the same manner as a completed violation of that subsection.

(f) Definition. As used in this section, the term “illicit sexual conduct” means (1) a sexual act (as defined in section 2246 [18 USCS § 2246]) with a person under 18 years of age that would be in violation of chapter 109A [18 USCS §§ 2241 et seq.] if the sexual act occurred in the special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States; or (2) any commercial sex act (as defined in section 1591 [18 USCS § 1591]) with a person under 18 years of age.

(g) Defense. In a prosecution under this section based on illicit sexual conduct as defined in subsection (f)(2), it is a defense, which the defendant must establish by a preponderance of the evidence, that the defendant reasonably believed that the person with whom the defendant engaged in the commercial sex act had attained the age of 18 years.


10 posted on 01/30/2011 5:10:47 PM PST by mewykwistmas ("Politicians are the same all over. They promise to build a bridge even where there is no river. ")
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To: MissouriConservative
It sets a pathway for the US government to prosecute other things you do in foreign countries.

Including making money.

11 posted on 01/30/2011 5:11:44 PM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: MissouriConservative

Have to agree with you. I can’t think of a lower type of rodent than a child predator, but I don’t want ICE paying Canadian citizens to follow me around Victoria, BC with a video camera to catch me smoking a Cuban cigar.


12 posted on 01/30/2011 5:11:48 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Joyell

Agreed!


13 posted on 01/30/2011 5:13:22 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (When the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn (Pr.29:2))
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To: wagglebee; little jeremiah; DJ MacWoW

Ping


14 posted on 01/30/2011 5:14:40 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.8)
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To: decimon
I'm all for the ultimate punishment for pedophiles, BUT...

Why exactly are US Immigration & Customs Enforcement agents protecting children in Cambodia and not protecting children in the U.S. from the foreign pedophiles running wild in the country they were hired to protect?

15 posted on 01/30/2011 5:15:39 PM PST by drpix
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To: Joyell

>>All pedophiles should get the death penalty. All of them<<

I was just going to post that, once convicted, they should be put down like the rabid dogs they are.

It isn’t like we are putting down a human being. These are sub-human monsters who should be put out of their and our misery.


16 posted on 01/30/2011 5:17:08 PM PST by freedumb2003 (The TOTUS-reader is a Judas Goat, leading the American sheeple to the slaugherhouse /Parmy)
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To: pnh102
I would imagine it would be more likely for these perverts to be put to death in Cambodia than here.

Or to wish they had been. But, according to the article, a bribe may set you free.

17 posted on 01/30/2011 5:19:44 PM PST by decimon
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To: drpix
Why exactly are US Immigration & Customs Enforcement agents protecting children in Cambodia and not protecting children in the U.S. from the foreign pedophiles running wild in the country they were hired to protect?

Indeed. We frequently hear of children here being raped by illegals. ICE is wasting our time and money enforcing other countries' laws while letting illegals roam free here at home.

18 posted on 01/30/2011 5:20:32 PM PST by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: johniegrad

The perpetrators are American citizens, and the local judiciary is easily corrupted....


19 posted on 01/30/2011 5:24:31 PM PST by sinsofsolarempirefan
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20 posted on 01/30/2011 5:27:02 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: decimon
It always starts with something that everyone agrees with... in this case, monster predators that need to die.

But don't worry...

Soon, they will follow you everywhere and enforce US Law on you and especially deprive you of your money.

The Police State is just ramping up and needs to have a good reason to put their jackboots on your neck even when you're outside of the country.

21 posted on 01/30/2011 5:28:46 PM PST by Bon mots ("Anything you say, can and will be construed as racist...")
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To: MissouriConservative
It sets a pathway for the US government to prosecute other things you do in foreign countries.

It means you are effectively owned by the U.S. government.

22 posted on 01/30/2011 5:31:54 PM PST by decimon
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To: decimon; MissouriConservative
It would also, in theory, allow Japan to prosecute Japanese who come to America to enjoy relaxed gun rights.

It's a crime to even hold a gun in Japan.

This way, there be dragons.

23 posted on 01/30/2011 5:35:33 PM PST by Lazamataz (If Illegal Aliens are Undocumented Workers, then Thieves are Undocumented Shoppers.)
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To: pnh102

I think that both countries probably have some sort of relationship. Maybe a treaty that both countries entered into. It’s not one sided.


24 posted on 01/30/2011 5:37:52 PM PST by goldi (')
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To: drpix

Damn good point and worth repeating.


25 posted on 01/30/2011 5:40:43 PM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life is tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: decimon
From the article: “If a US citizen is caught abusing children abroad, American agents are now on hand with the specific aim of getting the suspect on a plane to stand trial back in the US.”

From the Bill of Rights, Amendment VI (emphasis added): "In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence."

How do they reconcile what they are doing with the Eighth Amendment?

26 posted on 01/30/2011 5:50:05 PM PST by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: Lazamataz
It would also, in theory, allow Japan to prosecute Japanese who come to America to enjoy relaxed gun rights.

It's a crime to even hold a gun in Japan.

Excellent point. Maybe.

I really don't know if this pedophile hunting falls within the realm of treaties we have with other countries. Treaties regarding certain crimes and with extradition.

27 posted on 01/30/2011 5:51:17 PM PST by decimon
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To: unixfox
Including making money.

The ultimate crime.

28 posted on 01/30/2011 5:56:12 PM PST by null and void (We are now in day 740 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: decimon

Ping me when they have tagged and bagged Barney Frank.


29 posted on 01/30/2011 5:57:41 PM PST by MrDem (Founder: Democrats for Cheney/Palin 2012)
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To: KrisKrinkle
How do they reconcile what they are doing with the Eighth Amendment?

I like the question but I haven't an answer. My reaction to the news article was to be glad the pedophiles will be prosecuted but to be worried at the process.

30 posted on 01/30/2011 5:57:50 PM PST by decimon
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To: MrDem
Ping me when they have tagged and bagged Barney Frank.

You'll grow old waiting for that ping.

31 posted on 01/30/2011 6:00:24 PM PST by decimon
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To: pnh102
We frequently hear of children here being raped by illegals. ICE is wasting our time and money enforcing other countries' laws while letting illegals roam free here at home.

Living proof that it's ultimately about control of all Americans, no matter where they live or go.

When I was born I was a citizen, apparently now I am a subject.

I wonder if they will be dusting off Dred Scott to claim world-wide jurisdiction/ownership?

32 posted on 01/30/2011 6:00:39 PM PST by null and void (We are now in day 740 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: Joyell

Does that include 18 year old high school girls having sex with their 17 year old boyfriends?


33 posted on 01/30/2011 6:01:25 PM PST by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: ccmay

Does an eighteen year old girl having sex with her seventeen year old boyfriend fit the profile and definition of a pedophile? So, I take it you have sympathies toward pedophiles?


34 posted on 01/30/2011 6:04:24 PM PST by Joyell
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To: MissouriConservative
While I agree that sex with children is abominable, this is a minefield legally. It sets a pathway for the US government to prosecute other things you do in foreign countries.

More to the point, what do we say to foreign countries when they want to seize people from there who do things over here that they don't like? Will we cooperate with Saudi Arabia in the arrest and extradition of Muslims who convert to Christianity? Will we extradite people who "insult Islam"? This is a BAD precedent to be allowing, regardless of good intentions.

35 posted on 01/30/2011 6:16:52 PM PST by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: mewykwistmas
(f) Definition. As used in this section, the term “illicit sexual conduct” means (1) a sexual act (as defined in section 2246 [18 USCS § 2246]) with a person under 18 years of age that would be in violation of chapter 109A [18 USCS §§ 2241 et seq.] if the sexual act occurred in the special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States; or (2) any commercial sex act (as defined in section 1591 [18 USCS § 1591]) with a person under 18 years of age.

So a US citizen can be prosecuted for an action that would be totally legal in the country where it occurred if it was performed by a non-US-citizen. There are counties which have age-of-consent being below 18.

36 posted on 01/30/2011 6:20:46 PM PST by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: pnh102

Oftentimes, US courts have jurisdiction over US Citizens. There’s president there with income tax cases.


37 posted on 01/30/2011 6:22:50 PM PST by Darren McCarty (We should lead ourselves instead of looking for leaders)
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To: PapaBear3625

So a US citizen can be prosecuted for an action that would be totally legal in the country where it occurred if it was performed by a non-US-citizen. There are counties which have age-of-consent being below 18.

Yes as well as immigrated aliens (LAPR) according to the law. So does that mean that non-immigrated aliens and illegal aliens ar not subject to the jurisdiction of the US when abroad like US citizens and LAPR’s? So how can their children born in the US be citizens if their parents are not fully subject to US jurisdiction?


38 posted on 01/30/2011 6:26:37 PM PST by rolling_stone ( *this makes Watergate look like a kiddie pool*)
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To: Darren McCarty
make that precedent.

Personally, I don't like it. I'd like to see Cambodia take care of him their own way.

39 posted on 01/30/2011 6:26:47 PM PST by Darren McCarty (We should lead ourselves instead of looking for leaders)
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To: decimon

“..be glad the pedophiles will be prosecuted but to be worried at the process.”

Agreed.


40 posted on 01/30/2011 6:32:54 PM PST by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: drpix

“I’m all for the ultimate punishment for pedophiles, BUT...

Why exactly are US Immigration & Customs Enforcement agents protecting children in Cambodia and not protecting children in the U.S. from the foreign pedophiles running wild in the country they were hired to protect?”

EXCELLENT!!!


41 posted on 01/30/2011 6:34:36 PM PST by mongo141
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To: decimon

This is the worst sort of moral posturing, by a so-called journalist.

The story does not describe sex tourism. The story described pedophiles.

A “sex tourist” might be someone visiting girly bars in any of a hundred cities around the world. Big deal.

Someone having sex with 12 year olds, is not a sex tourist. He is a pedophile, and a monster.


42 posted on 01/30/2011 6:38:13 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (McCarthy was Right.)
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To: Darren McCarty
Personally, I don't like it. I'd like to see Cambodia take care of him their own way.

Which, according to the full article, is to bribe them and you walk.

43 posted on 01/30/2011 7:32:05 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Don't tell Obama what comes after a trillion)
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To: Joyell

“All of them.”

Heartily agree.


44 posted on 01/30/2011 8:43:59 PM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Joyell
Does an eighteen year old girl having sex with her seventeen year old boyfriend fit the profile and definition of a pedophile?

She is guilty of the felony of "Sexual misconduct with a minor" in the State of Arizona, where there is no "Romeo-&-Juliet" exception, and must register as a sex offender for the rest of her life.

In the eyes of this state, she is indeed as much a pedophile as a 45 year old man who rapes a 9-year-old.

So, I take it you have sympathies toward pedophiles?

How dare you? Would you say the same thing to my face?

45 posted on 01/30/2011 11:14:37 PM PST by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Someone having sex with 12 year olds, is not a sex tourist. He is a pedophile, and a monster.

And my position is that the US government has no business spending money chasing them in Cambodia rather than chasing pedophiles who go after US kids in the US. Let the Cambodians deal with their own issues.

46 posted on 01/31/2011 6:13:12 AM PST by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: ccmay

I stated that all pedophiles should be given the death penalty. By their own admission, they are repeat offenders. I feel very strongly that innocent children should be protected from such heinous people who commit perverse sexual acts against children. A child should never be exposed to such atrocities. Any one who could commit such a crime is an evil, and perverse individual.

I don’t see the comparison of consensual sex between an eighteen year old and a seventeen year old, even though it isn’t something I’d approve of. I work with children, and I encourage them to practice abstinence until marriage.

If I took your post the wrong way, I sincerely apologize to you.

Arizona should consider the charges they are imposing on teenagers, when they refer to them as sex offenders, for several reasons. Sex Offenders such as pedophiles and rapists should have the highest priority when it comes to being monitored, and we don’t want sex offender registries cluttered up with teenagers having sex. An eighteen year old needs to answer for having sex with a sixteen or seventeen year old, but they aren’t on the same level of perversion as a pedophile or rapist.


47 posted on 01/31/2011 7:29:31 AM PST by Joyell
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To: Joyell

I happen to agree with you, up to a point. Adult men who prey on pre-pubescent children are indeed incurable, and I would support the death penalty on the first offense for pretty much all of them.

But what about the case I mentioned, when an 18 year old boinks her 17 year old boyfriend?

What about the case where a heavily made up and mature 15 year old throws herself at a 24 year old man? (Again, in Arizona at least, there is no “deception” defense. She could show him a fake drivers license proving her to be of age, and he would still be guilty under the law.)

What about the case when a 14 or 15 year old gets married with parental or judicial consent? This still is lawful and occasionally happens, depending on the state. My own family tree has 14 year old brides, and so does yours.

What about cases where a vindictive spouse uses false allegations of child abuse to hammer the other parent in a divorce? Or false allegations from a devious teenager looking to cause trouble? If the penalty is death, some juries are going to acquit marginal offenders and perhaps even some clearly guilty scum.

So all I’m saying is that you need to be more specific about what “all” pedophiles means.


48 posted on 01/31/2011 1:54:27 PM PST by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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