Posted on 02/01/2011 7:11:47 PM PST by Razzz42
You overlook the fact that for every chicken on this thread, there is another one that will tell us that tractors compact the soil, that diesel polutes, that fertilizer contaminates the water supplies, on and on and on.
Oh and don’t forget the anti glyphosphate rants.
>> “Would you care to furnish us with the link that documents the fact that this information has been discredited?” <<
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All you had to do was read the links that I posted.
The crap has been exposed.
Others have said that is nothing but an internet rumor which gets posted one place, then repeated all over, but that it is nothing but a lie.
Maybe that story actually came from a documentary which interviews specific farmers in specific locations and which discusses just the type law suit mentioned. I watched this documentary on Hulu.com a few weeks back and that is where I heard of these specifics. Registration is fairly simple if anyone is interested enough watch it:
When a scientist is hired due to his expertise, it does not discredit his work, it glorifies it.
Their attempt was completely dishonest, and aimed at the general low level of understanding among the general public. IOW a smoke screen.
You think if we cross more pig genes with tomatoes, we could shop for less items for a nice BLT sandwich?
>> “ Registration is fairly simple if anyone is interested enough watch it” <<
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What a joke!
Monsanto should be criminally prosecuted for corrupting healthy crops with their crap.
So the fact that he was the shill for a ambulance chasing trial lawyer is not worth your consideration?
Even though that was a couple of years before his study, which even his colleagues now repudiate?
Did you ever notice that when an ostrich has his head stuck in the sand, his ass is exposed for all to see?
Nice try!
He wasn’t any shill; he was an expert reseacher offering factual testimony.
Here is a list of the known risks of GMO food for your reading pleasure....and yes...over 90% of all the corn is now GMO. I even called to check on a snack called Smartfood popcorn marketed as a health food. The company admitted it was GMO.
http://www.responsibletechnology.org/gmo-dangers/65-health-risks/5notes
That means all our popcorn, our corn chips and all of the corn they feed to the cows we eat.... It sure would be nice to know how it will be affecting future generations.
The food may look better, but it tastes worse. I haven’t had an ear of corn that tasted like corn in nearly 20 years. They are syrupy sweet, like canned cream corn of the 1960’s. Tomatoes have no body, all liquid without flavor. Apples last longer, look better but have more meat than juice.
Nope, plenty of Conservatives like natural, rather than man made, food.
The real problem with GMO is that it takes away from farmers the ability to collect seeds for replanting. Instead of the natural process created by God...you have some scientist in some lab for some non-American multi-national corporation creating seeds.
GMO is mainly supported by Free Trade Communist Globalists. They took away the real free market from American farmers and shipped it to anti-American multi-nats
The last link is very specific.
A short except from a long story:
Unlike expert witnesses, who give professional advice and opinions, Wakefield negotiated a lucrative and unprecedented contract with Barr, then aged 48, to conduct clinical and scientific research. The goal was to find evidence of what the two men called “a new syndrome”, intended to be the centrepiece of (later failed) litigation on behalf of an eventual 1,600 families, mostly recruited through media stories. This, publicly undisclosed, role for Wakefield created the grossest conflict of interest, and the exposure of it by Deer, in February 2004, led to public uproar in Britain, the retraction of the Lancet report’s conclusions section, and, from July 2007, the longest-ever professional misconduct hearing by the UK’s General Medical Council.
Barr [audio] paid the doctor with money from the UK legal aid fund: run by the government to give poorer people access to justice. Wakefield charged at the extraordinary rate of £150 an hour - billed through a company of his wife’s - eventually totalling, for generic work alone, what the UK Legal Services Commission, pressed under the freedom of information act, said was £435,643 (about $750,000 US), plus expenses. These hourly fees - revealed in The Sunday Times in December 2006 - gave the doctor a direct, personal, but undeclared, financial interest in his research results: totalling more than eight times his reported annual salary, and creating an incentive not only for him to launch the alarm, but to keep it going for as long as possible.
In addition to the personal payments was an initial award of £55,000, applied for by Wakefield in June 1996 - but, like the hourly fees, never declared to the Lancet, as it should have been - for the express purpose of conducting the research later submitted to the journal. This start-up funding was part of a staggering £18m of taxpayers’ money eventually shared among a group of doctors and lawyers, working under Barr’s and Wakefield’s direction, to try to prove that MMR caused the previously unheard-of “syndrome”. Yet more surprising, Wakefield had predicted the existence of such a syndrome - which he would later dub “autistic enterocolitis” - before he carried out the research.
This Barr-Wakefield deal was the foundation of the vaccine crisis, both in Britain and throughout the world. “I have mentioned to you before that the prime objective is to produce unassailable evidence in court so as to convince a court that these vaccines are dangerous,” the lawyer reminded the doctor in a confidential letter, six months before the Lancet report.
And, if this was not enough to cast doubt on the research’s objectivity, The Sunday Times and Channel 4 investigation unearthed another shocking conflict of interest. In June 1997 - nearly nine months before the press conference at which Wakefield called for single vaccines - he had filed a patent on products, including his own supposedly “safer” single measles vaccine, which only stood any prospect of success if confidence in MMR was damaged. Wakefield denied any vaccine plans, but his proposed shot, and a network of companies intended to raise venture capital for purported inventions - including a vaccine, testing methods, and strange potential miracle cures for autism - were set out in confidential documents. One business was later awarded £800,000 from the legal aid fund on the strength of now-discredited data which he had supplied.
There is enough in any one of these paragraphs to discredit the man.
There are a few problems with GMO crops. This is from memory from a 2001 graduate genetics class, so sorry, I don’t have sources handy.
1. “jumping genes” that can easily be put into crops can theoretically jump into other organisms (bacteria to crop in lab, then crop to bacteria to other plant in field).
2. Cross pollination contaminates non-gmo crops, whether Monsanto cares or not. The farmer who wants to grow his heritage strain of alfalfa may find his crops containing GM alfalfa from a neighboring field’s pollen.
In corn at least, Monsanto was putting in a kill gene to keep the seed from being viable in the next generation so people had to buy seed again the next year. When this pollen contaminated a neighboring field of corn, it would sterilize the seed in that field too, and that farmer would lose his seed crop.
Cross-pollination can also be a problem when the GM crop is closely enough related to a weed crop that they can cross. Then you have more directly created a “superweed” than just the pesticide resistance mentioned above.
3. possible dangers from the proteins encoded by the implanted genes, as mentioned before. We are told to wash all pesticides and herbicides carefully from food, but some GM crops have pesticides and herbicides built in. Some have the genes only expressed in non-edible plant parts, but alfalfa wouldn’t as the animals eat the whole plant top.
On the other hand, genes don’t always encode for toxins; there was talk of encoding carotene (and other nutrients) into potatoes and rice to help countries where the people subsist on those crops.
4. Poisoning beneficial insects—some GM plants express toxins in their pollen and nectar, killing pollinators.
5. GM crops further the trend toward nationwide monoculture. Climate change will happen and always has. So does the fight between plants and what eats or infects them. The less genetic diversity we have in our food crops, the more likely we are to lose a significant amount of our food source to a new problem.
I am not completely against GM crops, but I do think they should be handled with care and that contamination of neighboring crops and potential escape of the implanted genes can be a serious problem. I would also like to see them do a bit of research on pesticide/herbicide content of meat raised on these crops before they’re deregulated, but I’m not up on the literature enough to know if such studies have been done.
I’ve heard of Terminator Seed. Remember it was really bad, but the specifics I’m fuzzy about. I think it might include, crossbreeds with other seeds, making them sterile? Requiring everyone to buy seed every year. And they were trying to push this seed in Africa?
A Morgellon bump
It’s amazing to see Obama allowing GMO alfalfa. Up here in Maine there are a lot of environmentalist types who don’t like GMO but voted for Obama.
Looking at the numbers listed, which I am assuming to be actual/factual as they are based from actual court cases brought....
"To date, Monsanto has filed 90 lawsuits against American farmers.
The lawsuits involve 147 farmers and 39 small businesses or farm companies, and have been directed at farmers residing in half of the states in the U.S. "
The largest recorded judgment made thus far in favor of Monsanto as a result of a farmer lawsuit is $3,052,800.00.
Total recorded judgments granted to Monsanto for lawsuits amount to $15,253,602.82.
Farmers have paid a mean of $412,259.54 for cases with recorded judgments.
Startling though these numbers are, they do not begin to tell the whole story.
Many farmers have to pay additional court and attorney fees and are sometimes even forced to pay the costs Monsanto incurs while investigating them.
Final monetary awards are not available for a majority of the 90 lawsuits CFS researched due to the confidential nature of many of the settlements.
Yes, the contamination of most all crops by the GE does worry me and I would like to find books? papers? to further read and learn about all of it.
I want to understand all this better but what limited information I've read--it *does* worry me. I don't want to be worried.
“I won’t go to a doctor that has a bone through his nose, for example.”
Perhaps if you visited that doctor you would be treated through more natural means and actually become well instead of being placed on numerous pharmaceuticals to cover up your symptoms. Do you know many people who have been “cured” of their heart disease, high blood pressure or diabetes with medication?
There is a reason that Harvard Medical school received over 11 million dollars in donations from pharmaceutical companies in 2008 alone. It makes it very difficult to teach that most drugs should be used temporarily while the medical issue is corrected with the more natural methods available.
If it wouldn’t or couldn’t happen happen without human intervention, I wouldn’t call it natural, but I think that shows what a big grey area there is in the definition. Splicing genes isn’t inherently good or bad it is just a technology like a gun that can have a good use, or a dangerous use.
Yeah. Like V-J Day. A disastrous result magnificently targeted!
Human beings have been messing with plant and animal genes for many centuries now. Recently, however, they've found a hi-tech shortcut! Predictably, the 'tards are whining about Man outgrowing his britches! The frankenfood meme started in Europe, until recently the capital of 'tardism. But GE food was invented here, and may it spread at the expense of 'tards everywhere! Folks are hungry!
Technological break-thrus such as this always alarm the simple. And the media shills vying for their attention. And the slimy pols looking for something to demagogue!
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