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USDA deregulates GE alfalfa; opens door to new era of widespread genetic pollution of crops
NaturalNews.com ^ | January 28, 2011 | Mike Adams

Posted on 02/01/2011 7:11:47 PM PST by Razzz42

Under these programs, the USDA uses chemical poisons to murder literally millions of birds each year, including an occasional endangered species animal by accident. This is all part of the USDA's insane program of death to protect the financial interests of conventional agriculture giants.

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KEYWORDS: ge; gmo; monsanto; organic
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GE = genetically engineered or GMO genetically modified organism or GEO genetically engineered organism.

Tom Vilsack, Obama's agriculture boss, used to fly around in a Monsanto corporate jet while governor of Iowa. During that same period he was also named "Governor of the Year" by the Biotechnology Industry Council.

1 posted on 02/01/2011 7:11:51 PM PST by Razzz42
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To: Razzz42

Monsanto can’t be bad; they donate lots of money to politicians.


2 posted on 02/01/2011 7:17:08 PM PST by UnwashedPeasant (Don't nuke me, bro)
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To: Razzz42

One of the few things government should do is prevent poisoning of the food supply. When government does too many things it should not do, it does not properly do the few things it should do.


3 posted on 02/01/2011 7:18:23 PM PST by UnwashedPeasant (Don't nuke me, bro)
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To: Razzz42
What is the name of that poison they are using to Kill all of those birds??? Do you get the urge to moo after you have eaten a good steak are to cycle water though your gills after eating fish. When that starts to happen you may have started breaking your food down to the DNA level and you have a problem.
4 posted on 02/01/2011 7:19:08 PM PST by org.whodat
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To: Razzz42

We are standing on the edge of a Garden of Eden, with huge advances in the volumn and quality of food we produce just ahead.


5 posted on 02/01/2011 7:19:19 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction, one of the top five worries of the American Farmer each and every year..)
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To: Razzz42

Excellent news! The anti-food liberals will be pissed!


6 posted on 02/01/2011 7:20:20 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Razzz42

Tom Vilsack, Obama’s agriculture boss, used to fly around in a Monsanto corporate jet while governor of Iowa. During that same period he was also named “Governor of the Year” by the Biotechnology Industry Council.
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Yep and Monsanto and this genetically engineered food is going to bite us in the azz later on. They will control all foods.

They sneak/trespass to test fields of farmers, some who have never used their seeds, then sue the farmer when a plant that cross-pollinated naturally turns up in the farmers field.

It’s frightening to think about the implications of it all, really.
http://www.centerforfoodsafety.org/pubs/CFSMOnsantovsFarmerReport1.13.05.pdf


7 posted on 02/01/2011 7:24:59 PM PST by Irenic
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To: Irenic

That pollination deal on the surface is despicable, it is their product that is contaminating other fields and crops not their own, then they sue the owner for their own negligence.


8 posted on 02/01/2011 7:28:28 PM PST by padre35 (You shall not ignore the laws of God, the Market, the Jungle, and Reciprocity Rm10.10)
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To: Irenic
They sneak/trespass to test fields of farmers, some who have never used their seeds, then sue the farmer when a plant that cross-pollinated naturally turns up in the farmers field.

Take it from a retired farmer who still has lots of contacts with farmers.........that's a crock of shit generated by Leftists.

There's no other way to properly describe such nonsense.

9 posted on 02/01/2011 7:28:58 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction, one of the top five worries of the American Farmer each and every year..)
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To: Balding_Eagle
That pollination deal on the surface is despicable, it is their product that is contaminating other fields and crops not their own, then they sue the owner for their own negligence.

That's a crock of shit. You have no idea what you're talking about.

10 posted on 02/01/2011 7:30:23 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction, one of the top five worries of the American Farmer each and every year..)
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To: Razzz42
...murder literally millions of birds each year...

Kind of like those giant wind turbines that have been dubbed "bird smashers" killing thousands of raptorial birds annually.

GE foods will allow developed countries to provide adequate food supplies to the 3rd world, that cannot care for itself. And selfish, unscientific new-age libs oppose genetic engineering, yet push bogus global warming. Makes my head spin!

11 posted on 02/01/2011 7:32:15 PM PST by downtownconservative
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To: Balding_Eagle

The same people that just “knew” that vaccinating children causes autism.

The same people that swear our east coast will soon be under 10 ft. or more of sea water, the same....


12 posted on 02/01/2011 7:33:47 PM PST by old curmudgeon
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To: Balding_Eagle
"Take it from a retired farmer who still has lots of contacts with farmers.........that's a crock of shit generated by Leftists.

There's no other way to properly describe such nonsense.

From a current farmer who has never, ever, met another farmer that has been trespassed upon or sued ... I second your comments.

Someone reads it on the interwebs and repeats it. Somebody will read it on this thread and repeat it as fact.

13 posted on 02/01/2011 7:40:08 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies. Plan it.)
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To: UnwashedPeasant

I agree. And when people talk about abolishing the EPA, I’m not for it. Much of what the EPA does is ridiculous, but they should ban GMO entirely. I don’t know what is wrong with this alfalfa, but previously, they’ve spliced in genes from a bacteria. BT Potatoes have this gene spliced in. They took the part of the bacteria which killed potato bugs, and spliced it in. Some potatoes are now part potato part insecticide.


14 posted on 02/01/2011 7:45:48 PM PST by truthfreedom
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To: JustaDumbBlonde; padre35; Irenic

It irritates the hell out of me to see lies pass the lips of some so easily.

You would think we’ve been infiltrated by anti-American Leftists.


15 posted on 02/01/2011 7:46:46 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction, one of the top five worries of the American Farmer each and every year..)
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To: downtownconservative

Monsanto is as evil as they come. GMO should be banned.


16 posted on 02/01/2011 7:47:18 PM PST by truthfreedom
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To: truthfreedom

You have no idea what you are talking about. The GMO crops have revolutionized our food production beyond what could only be dreamt about just 20 or 30 years ago.

For example, it’s a pleasure to sit in a combine and watch top quality feedstuffs being harvested from clean fields, womething impossible just 2 decades ago.


17 posted on 02/01/2011 7:52:41 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction, one of the top five worries of the American Farmer each and every year..)
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To: Balding_Eagle

It would be comical if it were not so sad. You would think that of the folks that the seed companies are not killing and poisoning, they are suing the pants off of. How on earth do they have any customers left?


18 posted on 02/01/2011 7:55:21 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies. Plan it.)
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To: truthfreedom
Monsanto is as evil as they come.

Funny, most farmers who deal with them first hand and regularly have just the opposite opinion.

In fact, you'll find that it's primarily anti-American Leftists who share your view.

Best check your 'facts'.

19 posted on 02/01/2011 7:56:52 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction, one of the top five worries of the American Farmer each and every year..)
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To: Razzz42
Does this mean Monsanto gets to sue everybody whose lawn is contaminated with their GE grass?
20 posted on 02/01/2011 7:57:39 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun." -- Barry Soetoro, June 11, 2008)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

The whole thing is pretty bizarre.

I guess it just shows how deep the Leftists have infiltrated our culture.


21 posted on 02/01/2011 7:59:29 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction, one of the top five worries of the American Farmer each and every year..)
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To: Balding_Eagle
We are standing on the edge of a Garden of Eden

Only God can do that, when man tries to play God, it usually leads to disastrous results.

22 posted on 02/01/2011 8:06:19 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

From a current farmer who has never, ever, met another farmer that has been trespassed upon or sued ... I second your comments.

Someone reads it on the interwebs and repeats it. Somebody will read it on this thread and repeat it as fact
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There is a Canadian case and no, he didn’t purchase their seeds and they had no contract with him.

They would have produced that contract in court and they didn’t, actually with the contract—it would have probably never went to court.

Yet, somehow without this contract they collected plants from his field,in order to bring a case against him.

I’m not saying this guy Schmeiser is all above board and some of complaints about GE isn’t environmental hysterics or whatever.

I’m just saying that there are issues about this that bothers me. I’m open to listening/reading anything and dropping my worries—because obviously GE can be very helpful and good.
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Monsanto_Canada_Inc._v._Schmeiser


23 posted on 02/01/2011 8:06:30 PM PST by Irenic
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To: Balding_Eagle

I think GMO can be a good thing in moderation and certainly can have some of the benefits you describe. But still, I can’t help but to feel leery about becoming too overly dependent on GMO food.


24 posted on 02/01/2011 8:09:10 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator
Only God can do that, when man tries to play God, it usually leads to disastrous results

Man has been trying to play God for centuries with mixed results. God laughs, but appreciates the compliment.

25 posted on 02/01/2011 8:14:02 PM PST by neocon1984
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To: dfwgator

I was using the phrase ‘Garden of Eden’ in relative terms. The real one is gone, and we certainly can’t bring it back, but we can make some moves in that direction.

As to dependence on GMO, it’s already deep, deep, into everyday food production. 20 years worth for some crops.


26 posted on 02/01/2011 8:15:56 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction, one of the top five worries of the American Farmer each and every year..)
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To: Balding_Eagle

All I can say is, I hope you’re right.


27 posted on 02/01/2011 8:17:36 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator
If you look at the history of food, you can see the amazing effects of thousands of years of human genetic manipulation. Any fruit you see today in the store is the product of selective breeding and cross breeding for size, flavor etc...

For that matter, look at dogs, an entire sub-species created by human manipulation.

28 posted on 02/01/2011 8:18:11 PM PST by MrShoop
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To: Southack

The politics opposing Genetically Modified food is like the politics of conservation. The loudest voices are on the Left, but there is substantial concern from the Right.

The Left is motivated by hatred of business, free enterprise, corporations and a desire for more government control. They use the Cause as a tool to advance Socialism.

The real conservationists tend to be farmers, hunters and people who live off the land. The real food purists tend to be Christians who want the option to eat God-made natural food instead of chemicals.


29 posted on 02/01/2011 8:18:11 PM PST by UnwashedPeasant (Don't nuke me, bro)
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To: Razzz42

Consider the source. NaturalNews is a crackpot site with pretty much all the whacked conspiracy theories du jour.


30 posted on 02/01/2011 8:20:27 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: Balding_Eagle

Nope, plenty of Conservatives like natural, rather than man made, food.


31 posted on 02/01/2011 8:22:33 PM PST by truthfreedom
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To: Razzz42

Could you give is more than two sentences?


32 posted on 02/01/2011 8:24:14 PM PST by upchuck (When excerpting please use the entire 300 words we are allowed. No more one or two sentence posts!)
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To: Balding_Eagle

I think you mean “Garden of Mengele.”


33 posted on 02/01/2011 8:26:42 PM PST by editor-surveyor (NOBAMA - 2012)
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To: truthfreedom; JustaDumbBlonde

Here’s a new, real, fact to consider: As measured by the average families income, over the past 40 years food prices have fallen 30%.

Monsanto, Cargill, Deere & Co, and others were major players in the cost savings that every American family enjoys each and every time they go to the grocery store, or go to a restaurant.

Don’t fall for the Leftist tripe, we eat better, safer, foods than anyone else in history. We spend less money on food than anyone else has in the entire history of the world.

Monsanto has been a big part of that miracle
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34 posted on 02/01/2011 8:27:11 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction, one of the top five worries of the American Farmer each and every year..)
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To: truthfreedom
Isn't natural a little overrated? Wild strawberries look something like this:

My favorite variety is the seascape (great acidic flavor), which, thanks to a heavy human hand look like this:


35 posted on 02/01/2011 8:29:32 PM PST by MrShoop
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To: old curmudgeon

>> “The same people that just “knew” that vaccinating children causes autism.” <<

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And that evidence has grown into a statistical Mt. Everest.

http://naturalnews.com/Vaccines_Get_the_Full_Story.html

http://www.naturalnews.com/031173_vaccines_science.html

http://naturalnews.tv/v.asp?v=5659BB5E46216B5F26A5FEA2EE4FBE49

http://www.naturalnews.com/031172_vaccines_children.html


36 posted on 02/01/2011 8:32:59 PM PST by editor-surveyor (NOBAMA - 2012)
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To: truthfreedom
Nope, plenty of Conservatives like natural, rather than man made, food.

Not a problem, go for it. Not everyone has enough money to eat that way.

I have a cousin who grows 'natural' crops. Big farmer, growing wealthy by selling low yield, low quality, 'natural' foods to foolish people.

In fact, if I were still farming, I like to think I'd be smart enough to do the same.

Can't feed America that way though. Food prices would be astronomical, and food would be in perpetual short supply.

The real bread and butter that feeds America is, and has been, genetically modified crops.

37 posted on 02/01/2011 8:35:55 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction, one of the top five worries of the American Farmer each and every year..)
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To: MrShoop; truthfreedom

>> “Isn’t natural a little overrated?” <<

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Hybrids are natural.

The problem is not cross-pollenating; it is splicing genes from vastly different species.


38 posted on 02/01/2011 8:36:59 PM PST by editor-surveyor (NOBAMA - 2012)
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To: editor-surveyor

No, I don’t.

Just look at the huge gains in the last couple of decades. GMO has meant higher quality, cleaner, more consistant crops.

Visit with a typical farmer, you’ll be amazed at how long GMO has been on the farm, decades, and how long GMO products have been used in food.


39 posted on 02/01/2011 8:40:27 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction, one of the top five worries of the American Farmer each and every year..)
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To: Ramius

Natural News is not a crackpot website and you can have a look at the mutant GMO Soy fed hamsters’ hairy little mouths here....

http://www.responsibletechnology.org/article-gmo-soy-linked-to-sterility


40 posted on 02/01/2011 8:40:49 PM PST by dianed
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To: Balding_Eagle

Your joy at the look of the field does not concern me as a consumer. As a consumer, I want healthy foods, not foods containing bug poison built right in.

Perhaps you can tell me how much corn is in my 16oz bag of Fritos? How much the farmer gets, and why I’m paying $3.00.
I’m pretty sure than the farmer is getting less than $3.00 for a pound of corn. But you might know how much.

That wide, wide disparity between what the I pay and what the farmer gets makes me feel that a significant improvement in alfalfa yields is not worth hurting the environment, or putting the environment at risk.

Find other ways to get your yield. Mychorrizae. charcoal, duplicate Terra Preta soils. Figure it out. But current farming practices could use improvement.


41 posted on 02/01/2011 8:40:57 PM PST by truthfreedom
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To: Balding_Eagle; truthfreedom

>> “The real bread and butter that feeds America is, and has been, genetically modified crops.” <<

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That is a lie from the pit of hell.

You are trying to equate natural cross-polination with destructive gene splicing. Hybrids are not “genetically modified,” they usually revert back to the original on the next generation.


42 posted on 02/01/2011 8:41:29 PM PST by editor-surveyor (NOBAMA - 2012)
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To: editor-surveyor

I’ll see if I can find the research article debunking all that nonsense. I came across it just in the last weeek.


43 posted on 02/01/2011 8:42:05 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction, one of the top five worries of the American Farmer each and every year..)
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To: Irenic
Just google "farmer sued by Monsanto contaminated" and you will see many farmers sued by Monsanto after their crops were contaminated by Monsanto's patented seeds.

It sounds a little conspiratorial to say that the contamination was done on purpose. It might all be caused by the birds and the wind. But it would be easy for someone to do it on purpose to hurt a competitor.

Eventually, almost all crops with a GMO variation will be contaminated. They will be very resistant to disease, but when the right disease comes along, it will be a repeat of the Potato Famine and it will lead to the sort of food riots going on in Egypt right now.

44 posted on 02/01/2011 8:42:58 PM PST by UnwashedPeasant (Don't nuke me, bro)
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To: Balding_Eagle

>> “GMO has meant higher quality, cleaner, more consistant crops.” <<

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Bullshit!

It has meant franken-food that destroys the health of the general public, and can even be reflected genetically in their children.


45 posted on 02/01/2011 8:44:49 PM PST by editor-surveyor (NOBAMA - 2012)
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To: editor-surveyor

I’m talking about GMO crops, not hybrids.

I got to ride a combine this past fall, first time in 24 years. The crops were amazing, the field, never cultivated, was completely weed free.

All possible as a result of GMO, which as been around for about 20 years.


46 posted on 02/01/2011 8:46:23 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction, one of the top five worries of the American Farmer each and every year..)
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To: dianed

Wow. And this stuff is on the market? Or has this been banned already? Are you sure this isn’t crackpot stuff?


47 posted on 02/01/2011 8:46:47 PM PST by truthfreedom
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To: Balding_Eagle

The real research has debunked all the false debunking.

Save the lies for fools.


48 posted on 02/01/2011 8:46:55 PM PST by editor-surveyor (NOBAMA - 2012)
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To: Balding_Eagle

Hmm, is your claim that Monsanto’s products are not cross pollinating other fields and seed producers processes, then suing them for “unlicensed usage”


49 posted on 02/01/2011 8:47:09 PM PST by padre35 (You shall not ignore the laws of God, the Market, the Jungle, and Reciprocity Rm10.10)
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To: Balding_Eagle

As a Libertarian, I believe people like you should be free to eat unnatural foods grown with chemicals, and people like me should be free not to.

GMOs contaminate the food supply, so people do not get to choose natural foods. GMOs are not the same as hybrids, plant husbandry, fertilizers, plant hormones, etc.


50 posted on 02/01/2011 8:49:50 PM PST by UnwashedPeasant (Don't nuke me, bro)
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