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CPAC fissure over gays deepens; GOProud called incompatible
The Washington Times ^ | 2/8/2011 | Stephen Dinan

Posted on 02/09/2011 4:40:22 AM PST by Servant of the Cross

Deepening a rift ahead of the largest annual gathering of conservative activists in Washington this week, some of the movement’s top leaders have circulated a private memo urging that conservatism’s founding principles be recast to exclude gay rights groups from the Reagan coalition of economic, defense and social conservatives.

The memo, obtained by The Washington Times, was signed by about two dozen leaders, and was released just as the Conservative Political Action Conference is set to begin its most contentious session in years, riven with divisions over a gay rights Republican group that is helping sponsor the conference and the social conservatives who are trying to keep it out.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cpac; gays; goproud; homopac; homosexualagenda; keenenorquist
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that conservatism’s founding principles be recast to exclude gay rights groups ...

Say what?! Conservatism's founding principles always recognized the human nature stamped right into our bodies - God created us male and female for a reason. Our physical bodies are all the proof needed that Adam and Eve were designed together and not Adam and Steve.

Anyone who puts an adjective "________" (i.e. Gay) before the word conservative, is not a conservative. A conservative is a conservative. No 'identity' politics are necessary.

CPAC is fissuring because Keene and Norquist are homo-loving, Islam-apologists who are also forming plans for amnesty for illegals.

It's good that the truth about Keene and Norquist is now coming to light. CPAC's days are numbered.

1 posted on 02/09/2011 4:40:31 AM PST by Servant of the Cross
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To: Servant of the Cross

I can’t believe these RINOs are willing to alienate millions of Christian conservatives in order to kiss up to a handful of homos and their supporters all in an attempt to make the world like them.


2 posted on 02/09/2011 4:42:37 AM PST by circlecity
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To: Servant of the Cross

Good...it’s about time. There’s nothing conservative about these 2%ers...

(and for all you big tent folks you’ll run off 10 Hispanic, black, and Muslim votes for every gay vote you get by coddling these gay savages.)


3 posted on 02/09/2011 4:43:36 AM PST by Yet_Again
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To: Servant of the Cross

I think many have figured out that with Obama you pay attention to what he does not what he says becuase the two are seldom the same.


4 posted on 02/09/2011 4:46:22 AM PST by circlecity
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To: Servant of the Cross
CPAC has bigger problems.

"(at CPAC 2010, the) message there was that "real conservatives" don't support the war
on terror because it is a creation of the "Israeli lobby" - which coalesces with the left-
wing's new anti-Semitism against neoconservatives. Karen Kwiatkowski is a darling of
both the leftist Huffington Post and the anti-Semitic paleocon site Antiwar.com.


…is a board member of the ACU, and from the looks of CPAC's
covered topics and omission of discussion of jihad, it looks as if he exerts enormous
influence over David Keene, the ACU's nominal leader. Norquist and his ally Suhail
Khan seem to be in charge at CPAC - no CPAC event goes on that doesn't reflect their perspective. ….
Grover Norquist's troubling ties to Islamic supremacists and jihadists have been known
for years. He and his Palestinian wife, Samah Alrayyes, who was director of
communications for his Islamic Free Market Institute until they married in 2005, are very
active in "Muslim outreach." …..
It was Norquist who ushered these silver-tongued jihadists into the Oval Office after the
worst attack ever on American soil. ….
Grover Norquist was on the jihad payroll before and after the carnage and death of
September 11….
Norquist also introduced Nihad Awad, cofounder and executive director of the Council
on American-Islamic Relations, to President Bush. ….
It is no surprise that CPAC 2010, like CPAC 2009, had nothing addressing the war we
are actually engaged in. This is due to the influence of Norquist, Keene, and Suhail Khan,
a CPAC board member. According to Gaffney, Khan "has repeatedly been a featured
speaker at MSA, ISNA and CAIR events" - that is, Muslim Students Association, Islamic
Society of North America, and Council on American-Islamic Relations, three groups
linked to the Muslim Brotherhood, the international Islamic organization dedicated to
establishing the rule of Islamic law and the subjugation of infidels worldwide."



CPAC's Grover Norquist Joins Obama Push For Illegal Alien Amnesty - FR

CPAC's Grover Norquist Joins Obama Push For Illegal Alien Amnesty

5 posted on 02/09/2011 4:46:37 AM PST by Diogenesis (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: Servant of the Cross

I think there is a place for gays in the GOP, just not activist ones who dishonor the holy sacrament of marriage by insisiting on having and getting it.

While I am morally, spiritually and philosophically opposed to homosexuality, I think the GOP could show a little more tolerance. But I am firmly against gays in the military as well.

There are some issues about gays that the GOP should remain steadfast on and this is one of them.


6 posted on 02/09/2011 4:48:01 AM PST by Ev Reeman
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To: Yet_Again

It is unbelievable that they are willing to alienate so many different people for the sake of this mindless political correctness.

The fact is, if a gay person wants to vote conservative for reasons of economics and basic liberty, he can do so, and will do so. He doesn’t have to be coddled with “identity politics”.

The conservative movement shouldn’t “reach out” to any identity-group. It should stand for basic conservative principles. And one of those principles is the defense of the values of Western Civilization, which include a strict definition of marriage.

Conservatism has three pillars: Economic Freedom and Liberty, Peace Through Strength, and Traditional Western Values.


7 posted on 02/09/2011 4:53:02 AM PST by samtheman
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To: Servant of the Cross

The gay numbers do not make up 2% of the American population, it is far lower than that. This is simply more propaganda from the lefties. The aim of the left is to destroy the family structure and ruin our childrens’ future with lack of education, seemingly “care” of the environment and vote tampering. The homosexual movement has become a screaming gaggle of haters and anti-American radicals. They far outnumber the people who believe in America and freedom, at least that is what the LSM would have us believe. Lies, all lies!


8 posted on 02/09/2011 4:53:39 AM PST by Rockiette (Democrats are not intelligent)
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To: circlecity; Diogenesis
Yes, and the idea that this is a "rights" issue is preposterous. The liberals talk like that, not conservatives. Here's the 'progressive' line from a Board member (?!) of the ACU:

Countering the call for exclusion, Larry L. Eastland, a bishop in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and an ACU board member, warned in a letter to fellow board members to “not be guilty of ‘casting the first stone’ on others’ sins.”

“Let us not lose sight of our goals by closing the door on individuals who will stand with us on public issues on which we agree, and keep to themselves their differences on issues where it could give ‘aid and comfort’ to our opponents,” he wrote.

What horse hockey. DU and MoveOn would be proud. Oh, and there's already proof that the prouder's won't "keep to themselves". Look at this:

But Christopher Barron, chairman of GOProud‘s board, said the boycott has been “a complete and total unmitigated disaster for the boycotters.”

“These are people who have been treated like clowns for years,” he said. “They’re not relevant, they haven’t been relevant, and it’s a disservice to the conservative movement to pretend that their boycott, their non-participation, is somehow symptomatic of a wider split in the conservative movement.”

"Clowns". "Not relevant". What chutzpa. They already presume to speak for the entire 'conservative movement'. Keene, Norquist, CPAC ... take a hike, you have been 'outed'.

9 posted on 02/09/2011 4:55:45 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (I'm with Jim DeMint ... on the fringe!)
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To: Servant of the Cross

I’m an evangelical born again Christian, and I have no tolerance for for the gay rights agenda other than normal human rights under the Constitution. But I can tolerate the “gay” GOP orgs as long as they aren’t pushing their agenda on the GOP platform or legislative agenda. I believe the first order of business for the next 2 years is getting organized and ready to take out Obama and his Marxist gang in 2012 and install as close to a conservative GOP administration and Congress as possible under the circumstances. If it takes an alliance with the relatively small gay GOP community to do that so be it, it wall always be a very small segment of the party so it’s not like they will run the show.


10 posted on 02/09/2011 4:56:28 AM PST by epow (I was taught to respect my elders, but they're getting harder and harder to find.)
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To: Rockiette

Agreed.


11 posted on 02/09/2011 4:56:37 AM PST by Ev Reeman
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To: Servant of the Cross

Conservative homosexuals?
Really?
RINOS—AT BEST.

Ignore them.


12 posted on 02/09/2011 4:57:21 AM PST by Flintlock
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To: Ev Reeman
I think the GOP could show a little more tolerance

I disagree.
I don't think 'tolerance" has anything to do with it.
For years and years queers declared no one has any business what they do in their bedroom. Fine.
But when they come out in public and make kissy-face with their same-sex friend, in public, they have made it our business - and that WILL NOT be tolerated.

If they participate in the community and don't make an ostentatious display of their queerness, there is no need for "tolerance". Kind of like "don't ask, don't tell".

13 posted on 02/09/2011 4:59:58 AM PST by grobdriver (Proud Member, Party Of No! No Socialism - No Fascism - Nobama - No Way!)
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To: Ev Reeman
I think there is a place for gays in the GOP, just not activist ones ...

I agree. However, the concept of organizing as an "identity group" within the conservative movement is preposterous and this one is "fundamentally incompatible".

Colin A. Hannah, president of Let Freedom Ring and one of the signers of the memo, said the problem with GOProud is that it can’t be squared with the rest of the “big-tent” message conservatives profess.

“The agenda of GOProud is fundamentally incompatible with virtually all social conservatives, so this isn’t diversity, it’s discord,” he said.

14 posted on 02/09/2011 5:00:46 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (I'm with Jim DeMint ... on the fringe!)
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To: epow
But I can tolerate the “gay” GOP orgs as long as they aren’t pushing their agenda on the GOP platform or legislative agenda ...

Guess what. 'Pushing their agenda' is the sole reason they exist. They've already been stealthily pushing their agenda and now they are in full battle.

But Christopher Barron, chairman of GOProud‘s board, said the boycott has been “a complete and total unmitigated disaster for the boycotters.”

“These are people who have been treated like clowns for years,” he said. “They’re not relevant, they haven’t been relevant, and it’s a disservice to the conservative movement to pretend that their boycott, their non-participation, is somehow symptomatic of a wider split in the conservative movement.”

15 posted on 02/09/2011 5:05:28 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (I'm with Jim DeMint ... on the fringe!)
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To: Servant of the Cross
Any organization that says it is somehow OK to have anal sex should not be part of the conservative movement.

If the members of these groups want to tag along because we are going to cut their taxes, and make it so the doctors don't disappear when they most need them, fine.

If the movement, however, gives even the slightest approval to bad behavior the movement is toast.

And with regard to political reality, gay marriage is not a winning issue even among Democrats.

16 posted on 02/09/2011 5:07:02 AM PST by Tribune7 (The Democrat Party is not a political organization but a religious cult.)
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To: Ev Reeman

I agree with that. They should stand firm against all of this gay rights nonsense. You treat them like anyone else, they can’t have special rights. It’s just one more nail in the moral fiber of the country.


17 posted on 02/09/2011 5:16:02 AM PST by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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To: Servant of the Cross

I look at it as a well-planned scheme to split up the conservative movement. It seems to be working.


18 posted on 02/09/2011 5:21:16 AM PST by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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To: Servant of the Cross

GoProud is hostile to the idea of freewill. If they proved themselves truly unique in accepting the reality of exgays & the right of those with unwanted desires to receive treatment and rejected the liberal activism and false comparison of “gay rights” to civil rights then they wouldnt be so bad but they support the same hostility that currently gets students who dont conform to the gay rights activism kicked out of programs that would allow them to become mental health professionals etc. GoProud until it show they are really unique is just the same old liberal activism trying to trojan horse Republicans. A gay conservative would never be a gay activist and would be able to acknowledge the flaw in their own condition as well as respect those who disagree with their condition whether they desire to change or not. Gayness for a gay conservative wouldnt be defined by liberal ideas of in your face activism.


19 posted on 02/09/2011 5:23:32 AM PST by Maelstorm (Better to keep your enemy in your sights than in your camp expecting him to guard your back.)
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To: Servant of the Cross

A “conservative homosexual” would believe something like this:

I am homosexual. That makes me a statistical aberration and sets me at odds with the teachings of the Bible, and, by extension, the canons of Western civilization. Through the grace of God, my weakness can be overcome, and the Good Lord knows I’m trying. In the meantime, I will refuse to support anything that makes it easier for others to succumb to this sin. The last thing I am is “proud.”

Anyone professing such a sentiment would be welcome in my tent. Defenders and apologists for perversion would not.


20 posted on 02/09/2011 5:28:33 AM PST by IronJack (=)
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To: ScottinVA
It seems to be working.

If it gets sympathy from even a few FR posters, yea it's definitely working 'out there'.

21 posted on 02/09/2011 5:29:11 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free!)
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To: Ev Reeman

Hear hear!
I was going to post something similar but you said it better...cheers!


22 posted on 02/09/2011 5:43:40 AM PST by matginzac
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There is information in the thread about who runs CPAC and who they have ties to and it isn't Conservatives.

23 posted on 02/09/2011 5:46:19 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: Servant of the Cross

Many social conservatives have two main goals: opposition to abortion, and opposition to gay marriage and sometimes to “civil-union” granting similar rights.

One of these goals - abortion restriction - is holding its on or even increasing in strength among people under 30.

The other - opposition to homosexual marital rights or its equivalents - is opposed by a majority of the same people, and the younger the voters, the the stronger opposition.

So the question is: “If you oppose abortion, is it worth diluting or losing political support for conservative opinions and candidates among younger voters on abortion restriction, in to fight a clearly losing battle on “gay marriage”.

IMO, the answer should be obvious.


24 posted on 02/09/2011 5:48:49 AM PST by M. Dodge Thomas
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To: epow
But I can tolerate the “gay” GOP orgs as long as they aren’t pushing their agenda on the GOP platform or legislative agenda.

GOProud isn't Conservative. They are infiltrators.

Christopher Barron, GOProud Chairman of the Board: "We are a gay organization, we only work on gay issues, we have never claimed otherwise. My God people." Aug 4, 2010; 4:04pm

25 posted on 02/09/2011 5:49:41 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: Yet_Again

The homosexual community will try to do to the Conservative movement what it did to the mainline Protestant churches.


26 posted on 02/09/2011 5:56:10 AM PST by Melchior
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To: Servant of the Cross

This is a never ending struggle in which homosexuals and lesbians insist that everyone else accept their perversions as O.K.

We can’t give into acceptance of degeneracy to make someone feel good about themselves. It will destroy our country.


27 posted on 02/09/2011 6:25:40 AM PST by SharpRightTurn (White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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28 posted on 02/09/2011 6:27:01 AM PST by narses ( 'Prefer nothing to the love of Christ.')
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To: Servant of the Cross
I am beginning to think it is a waste of time to talk about the "conservative movement." I prefer nowadays to speak of the "country class." The Tea Party is where the mojo is these days.

All political groupings have a shelf-life. The "conservative movement" promoted by the old National Review and its coterie of thinkers was one the most beneficial and inspiring influences on our national life. I will be forever grateful for the writings of William F Buckely et al, but each generation has it's own challenges. Buckley's generation had to take on the Soviets. Our generation has to fight sth wholly different: the culture/religious wars. The financial profligacy of recent decades is now also become an existential threat. Organizations that can't adapt (or worse, that sign up for the other side), should be shunned.

29 posted on 02/09/2011 6:31:56 AM PST by ishmac (Lady Thatcher:"There are no permanent defeats in politics because there are no permanent victories.")
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To: Servant of the Cross

No. It should be that the days of Keene and Norquist are numbered!


30 posted on 02/09/2011 6:38:38 AM PST by NEW YORKCITYGOPMAN ('he who creates something worthwhile, never dies.'')
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To: Servant of the Cross

GoProud is hostile to the idea of freewill. If they proved themselves truly unique in accepting the reality of exgays & the right of those with unwanted desires to receive treatment and rejected the liberal activism and false comparison of “gay rights” to civil rights then they wouldnt be so bad but they support the same hostility that currently gets students who dont conform to the gay rights activism kicked out of programs that would allow them to become mental health professionals etc. GoProud until it show they are really unique is just the same old liberal activism trying to trojan horse Republicans. A gay conservative would never be a gay activist and would be able to acknowledge the flaw in their own condition as well as respect those who disagree with their condition whether they desire to change or not. Gayness for a gay conservative wouldnt be defined by liberal ideas of in your face activism.


31 posted on 02/09/2011 6:40:16 AM PST by Maelstorm (Better to keep your enemy in your sights than in your camp expecting him to guard your back.)
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To: Servant of the Cross

GoProud is hostile to the idea of freewill. If they proved themselves truly unique in accepting the reality of exgays & the right of those with unwanted desires to receive treatment and rejected the liberal activism and false comparison of “gay rights” to civil rights then they wouldnt be so bad but they support the same hostility that currently gets students who dont conform to the gay rights activism kicked out of programs that would allow them to become mental health professionals etc. GoProud until it show they are really unique is just the same old liberal activism trying to trojan horse Republicans. A gay conservative would never be a gay activist and would be able to acknowledge the flaw in their own condition as well as respect those who disagree with their condition whether they desire to change or not. Gayness for a gay conservative wouldnt be defined by liberal ideas of in your face activism.


32 posted on 02/09/2011 6:40:25 AM PST by Maelstorm (Better to keep your enemy in your sights than in your camp expecting him to guard your back.)
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To: circlecity

I can’t believe these RINOs are willing to alienate millions of Christian conservatives in order to kiss up to a handful of homos and their supporters all in an attempt to make the world like them
_____________________________________________________________
These RINO’S should give Charlie Baker and Richard Tisei a call and find out how kissing-up to the gay community works out for the GOP!

Mass GOP convention nominates most extreme pro-gay Governor & Lt. Governor candidates in history
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/10b/gop_convention/index.html

Mass. GOP Lt. Governor candidate Tisei gives interview to homosexual magazine — pushing gay agenda
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/govt10/election10/tisei_spirit_mag/index.html

GOP Candidate for Governor Charlie Baker marches with hateful anti-family homosexual activist leaders in Gay Pride parade
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/10c/pride_week/baker.html

Mass. Republicans lose ALL statewide & Congressional races
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/govt10/election10/general/results_statewide.html


33 posted on 02/09/2011 6:42:29 AM PST by massmike (DADT repeal: the Boy Scouts now have tougher membership requirements than the Army!)
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To: Servant of the Cross

“Gay” marriage, “gay” conservatives, “gay” Christians, etc. etc. All pretend, all counterfeit, all a huge whopping lie.


34 posted on 02/09/2011 6:47:28 AM PST by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: ViLaLuz

All queer.

Gay is but PC speak for queer


35 posted on 02/09/2011 6:50:07 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. N.C. D.E. +12 .....( History is a process, not an event ))
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To: Servant of the Cross

gopproud is about as compatible, and actually quite similar, to a homo child molestor at a boy scout jamboree.


36 posted on 02/09/2011 6:55:07 AM PST by Neoliberalnot ((Read "The Grey Book" for an alternative to corruption in DC))
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To: Servant of the Cross

gopproud is about as compatible, and actually quite similar, to a homo child molestor at a boy scout jamboree.


37 posted on 02/09/2011 6:55:21 AM PST by Neoliberalnot ((Read "The Grey Book" for an alternative to corruption in DC))
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To: M. Dodge Thomas
So the question is: “If you oppose abortion, is it worth diluting or losing political support for conservative opinions and candidates among younger voters on abortion restriction, in to fight a clearly losing battle on “gay marriage”.

Spoken like a true liberal. Just a little compromise here and a little there. . . .

Public votes AGAINST gay marriage are always in the majority.

38 posted on 02/09/2011 7:26:06 AM PST by aimhigh (True bitter clingers cling to their guns AND their bibles.)
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To: M. Dodge Thomas
Nope. Wrong question. These two are interrelated and connected 'at the hip'. Inseparable. False choice to suggest that one has to go due to the sensibilities of today's brainwashed youth from government schools. The youth of today who 'get' abortion also 'get' homosexual marriage. Both are wrong and antithetical to our human biology and nature. It would be so wrong to cave on fundamental truths about God's creation and design in order to pander to current culture in order to gain 'youth voters'.

The Theology of the Body: Educating Minds; Transforming Hearts; Changing Lives

39 posted on 02/09/2011 7:37:25 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free!)
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To: Flintlock

>Conservative homosexuals?
Really?<

Yup. Like calling one self’s “Christian child-molester”. The 2 terms will never mix.

One thing I have learned here in Hollywood that makes people look at me strange is that the most intolerant people I have witnessed are gays-homosexuals-fags. Absolutely tribal and enclosed.


40 posted on 02/09/2011 7:53:36 AM PST by max americana
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To: bert

“All queer.

Gay is but PC speak for queer”

Absolutely. That’s why I put “gay” in quotation marks. I’m mocking “gay.”


41 posted on 02/09/2011 7:53:55 AM PST by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: circlecity

I do, they want our votes and money, but otherwise its shut the hell up and do what we tell you and stay out of sight of our friends the liberals, you are an embarrassment to us.

Let them try and win without the conservative vote.


42 posted on 02/09/2011 8:14:09 AM PST by sarge83
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To: ViLaLuz
“Gay” marriage, “gay” conservatives, “gay” Christians, etc. etc. All pretend, all counterfeit, all a huge whopping lie.

The second law of homosexuality:

To the mentally healthy (heterosexual), sex is something you do
To the mentally diseased ('homosexual'), sex is everything you are

The "gay" parts of your statements above are true, the rest of it doesn't matter. The faggots ignore everything after "gay"

Faggots always vote democrat because EVERYTHING they do is focused on their perversion, and the democrats are the party of perversion. Therefore faggots should never be recognized, or tolerated, within the ranks of decent people.

43 posted on 02/09/2011 10:24:16 AM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: epow
You may be a Christian, but you've been tragically deceived if you think light can have fellowship with darkness.

A little leaven taints the whole loaf.

44 posted on 02/09/2011 11:08:11 AM PST by fwdude (Anita Bryant was right.)
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To: Ev Reeman

Yes, the GOP should show more tolerance. I agree. But to persecuted Christians in their own suburbs and towns.


45 posted on 02/09/2011 1:23:55 PM PST by AustralianConservative
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To: samtheman

Great summary. There’s a C in CPAC for a reason. Today, the so-called conservative group looks too tribal. Identity politics is for liberals.


46 posted on 02/09/2011 1:28:12 PM PST by AustralianConservative
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To: Servant of the Cross
urging that conservatism’s founding principles be recast to exclude gay rights groups from the Reagan coalition of economic, defense and social conservatives.

Ah, the verbal contortions these people have to exercise.

This is just an LOLer.

Sodomy is not a conservative value, losers. Never has been. Never will be.
47 posted on 02/09/2011 2:10:35 PM PST by Antoninus (Fair warning: If Romney's the GOP nominee in 2012, I'm looking for a new party.)
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To: Servant of the Cross
Countering the call for exclusion, Larry L. Eastland, a bishop in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and an ACU board member, warned in a letter to fellow board members to “not be guilty of ‘casting the first stone’ on others’ sins.”

Cool, bishop. Let's think of other sins we can rally around, create an identity for, and still call ourselves "conservatives"...

AdulteryProud

AbortionProud

TheftProud

SlanderProud

SlothProud

PrideProud

I think that last one is especially fitting.
48 posted on 02/09/2011 2:19:08 PM PST by Antoninus (Fair warning: If Romney's the GOP nominee in 2012, I'm looking for a new party.)
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To: IronJack
I am homosexual. That makes me a statistical aberration and sets me at odds with the teachings of the Bible, and, by extension, the canons of Western civilization. Through the grace of God, my weakness can be overcome, and the Good Lord knows I’m trying. In the meantime, I will refuse to support anything that makes it easier for others to succumb to this sin. The last thing I am is “proud.”

Anyone professing such a sentiment would be welcome in my tent. Defenders and apologists for perversion would not.


100% agreed.
49 posted on 02/09/2011 2:21:24 PM PST by Antoninus (Fair warning: If Romney's the GOP nominee in 2012, I'm looking for a new party.)
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To: M. Dodge Thomas

“So the question is: “If you oppose abortion, is it worth diluting or losing political support for conservative opinions and candidates among younger voters on abortion restriction, in to fight a clearly losing battle on “gay marriage”.

IMO, the answer should be obvious.”

Battles are not always chosen based on whether or not there is a prospect for victory. Opposing abortion and opposing gay marriage are both the same fight- good against evil, civilization against barbarism. Whether they are losing battles or not is an irrelevancy- they are battles that must be fought, because they involved very basic questions of right and wrong.


50 posted on 02/09/2011 5:43:05 PM PST by GenXteacher (He that hath no stomach for this fight, let him depart!)
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