CPAC fissure over gays deepens; GOProud called incompatible

The Washington Times ^ | 2/8/2011 | Stephen Dinan

[Servant of the Cross]

Deepening a rift ahead of the largest annual gathering of conservative activists in Washington this week, some of the movement’s top leaders have circulated a private memo urging that conservatism’s founding principles be recast to exclude gay rights groups from the Reagan coalition of economic, defense and social conservatives.

The memo, obtained by The Washington Times, was signed by about two dozen leaders, and was released just as the Conservative Political Action Conference is set to begin its most contentious session in years, riven with divisions over a gay rights Republican group that is helping sponsor the conference and the social conservatives who are trying to keep it out.

[Servant of the Cross]

that conservatism’s founding principles be recast to exclude gay rights groups ...

Say what?! Conservatism's founding principles always recognized the human nature stamped right into our bodies - God created us male and female for a reason. Our physical bodies are all the proof needed that Adam and Eve were designed together and not Adam and Steve.

Anyone who puts an adjective "________" (i.e. Gay) before the word conservative, is not a conservative. A conservative is a conservative. No 'identity' politics are necessary.

CPAC is fissuring because Keene and Norquist are homo-loving, Islam-apologists who are also forming plans for amnesty for illegals.

It's good that the truth about Keene and Norquist is now coming to light. CPAC's days are numbered.

[circlecity]

I can’t believe these RINOs are willing to alienate millions of Christian conservatives in order to kiss up to a handful of homos and their supporters all in an attempt to make the world like them.

[Yet_Again]

Good...it’s about time. There’s nothing conservative about these 2%ers...

(and for all you big tent folks you’ll run off 10 Hispanic, black, and Muslim votes for every gay vote you get by coddling these gay savages.)

[circlecity]

I think many have figured out that with Obama you pay attention to what he does not what he says becuase the two are seldom the same.

[Diogenesis]

CPAC has bigger problems.

"(at CPAC 2010, the) message there was that "real conservatives" don't support the war
on terror because it is a creation of the "Israeli lobby" - which coalesces with the left-
wing's new anti-Semitism against neoconservatives. Karen Kwiatkowski is a darling of
both the leftist Huffington Post and the anti-Semitic paleocon site Antiwar.com.


…is a board member of the ACU, and from the looks of CPAC's
covered topics and omission of discussion of jihad, it looks as if he exerts enormous
influence over David Keene, the ACU's nominal leader. Norquist and his ally Suhail
Khan seem to be in charge at CPAC - no CPAC event goes on that doesn't reflect their perspective. ….
Grover Norquist's troubling ties to Islamic supremacists and jihadists have been known
for years. He and his Palestinian wife, Samah Alrayyes, who was director of
communications for his Islamic Free Market Institute until they married in 2005, are very
active in "Muslim outreach." …..
It was Norquist who ushered these silver-tongued jihadists into the Oval Office after the
worst attack ever on American soil. ….
Grover Norquist was on the jihad payroll before and after the carnage and death of
September 11….
Norquist also introduced Nihad Awad, cofounder and executive director of the Council
on American-Islamic Relations, to President Bush. ….
It is no surprise that CPAC 2010, like CPAC 2009, had nothing addressing the war we
are actually engaged in. This is due to the influence of Norquist, Keene, and Suhail Khan,
a CPAC board member. According to Gaffney, Khan "has repeatedly been a featured
speaker at MSA, ISNA and CAIR events" - that is, Muslim Students Association, Islamic
Society of North America, and Council on American-Islamic Relations, three groups
linked to the Muslim Brotherhood, the international Islamic organization dedicated to
establishing the rule of Islamic law and the subjugation of infidels worldwide."

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[Ev Reeman]

I think there is a place for gays in the GOP, just not activist ones who dishonor the holy sacrament of marriage by insisiting on having and getting it.

While I am morally, spiritually and philosophically opposed to homosexuality, I think the GOP could show a little more tolerance. But I am firmly against gays in the military as well.

There are some issues about gays that the GOP should remain steadfast on and this is one of them.

[samtheman]

It is unbelievable that they are willing to alienate so many different people for the sake of this mindless political correctness.

The fact is, if a gay person wants to vote conservative for reasons of economics and basic liberty, he can do so, and will do so. He doesn’t have to be coddled with “identity politics”.

The conservative movement shouldn’t “reach out” to any identity-group. It should stand for basic conservative principles. And one of those principles is the defense of the values of Western Civilization, which include a strict definition of marriage.

Conservatism has three pillars: Economic Freedom and Liberty, Peace Through Strength, and Traditional Western Values.

[Rockiette]

The gay numbers do not make up 2% of the American population, it is far lower than that. This is simply more propaganda from the lefties. The aim of the left is to destroy the family structure and ruin our childrens’ future with lack of education, seemingly “care” of the environment and vote tampering. The homosexual movement has become a screaming gaggle of haters and anti-American radicals. They far outnumber the people who believe in America and freedom, at least that is what the LSM would have us believe. Lies, all lies!

[Servant of the Cross]

Yes, and the idea that this is a "rights" issue is preposterous. The liberals talk like that, not conservatives. Here's the 'progressive' line from a Board member (?!) of the ACU:

Countering the call for exclusion, Larry L. Eastland, a bishop in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and an ACU board member, warned in a letter to fellow board members to “not be guilty of ‘casting the first stone’ on others’ sins.”

“Let us not lose sight of our goals by closing the door on individuals who will stand with us on public issues on which we agree, and keep to themselves their differences on issues where it could give ‘aid and comfort’ to our opponents,” he wrote.

What horse hockey. DU and MoveOn would be proud. Oh, and there's already proof that the prouder's won't "keep to themselves". Look at this:

But Christopher Barron, chairman of GOProud‘s board, said the boycott has been “a complete and total unmitigated disaster for the boycotters.”

“These are people who have been treated like clowns for years,” he said. “They’re not relevant, they haven’t been relevant, and it’s a disservice to the conservative movement to pretend that their boycott, their non-participation, is somehow symptomatic of a wider split in the conservative movement.”

"Clowns". "Not relevant". What chutzpa. They already presume to speak for the entire 'conservative movement'. Keene, Norquist, CPAC ... take a hike, you have been 'outed'.

[epow]

I’m an evangelical born again Christian, and I have no tolerance for for the gay rights agenda other than normal human rights under the Constitution. But I can tolerate the “gay” GOP orgs as long as they aren’t pushing their agenda on the GOP platform or legislative agenda. I believe the first order of business for the next 2 years is getting organized and ready to take out Obama and his Marxist gang in 2012 and install as close to a conservative GOP administration and Congress as possible under the circumstances. If it takes an alliance with the relatively small gay GOP community to do that so be it, it wall always be a very small segment of the party so it’s not like they will run the show.

[Ev Reeman]

Agreed.

[Flintlock]

Conservative homosexuals?
Really?
RINOS—AT BEST.

Ignore them.

[grobdriver]

I think the GOP could show a little more tolerance

I disagree.
I don't think 'tolerance" has anything to do with it.
For years and years queers declared no one has any business what they do in their bedroom. Fine.
But when they come out in public and make kissy-face with their same-sex friend, in public, they have made it our business - and that WILL NOT be tolerated.

If they participate in the community and don't make an ostentatious display of their queerness, there is no need for "tolerance". Kind of like "don't ask, don't tell".

[Servant of the Cross]

I think there is a place for gays in the GOP, just not activist ones ...

I agree. However, the concept of organizing as an "identity group" within the conservative movement is preposterous and this one is "fundamentally incompatible".

Colin A. Hannah, president of Let Freedom Ring and one of the signers of the memo, said the problem with GOProud is that it can’t be squared with the rest of the “big-tent” message conservatives profess.

“The agenda of GOProud is fundamentally incompatible with virtually all social conservatives, so this isn’t diversity, it’s discord,” he said.

[Servant of the Cross]

But I can tolerate the “gay” GOP orgs as long as they aren’t pushing their agenda on the GOP platform or legislative agenda ...

Guess what. 'Pushing their agenda' is the sole reason they exist. They've already been stealthily pushing their agenda and now they are in full battle.

But Christopher Barron, chairman of GOProud‘s board, said the boycott has been “a complete and total unmitigated disaster for the boycotters.”

“These are people who have been treated like clowns for years,” he said. “They’re not relevant, they haven’t been relevant, and it’s a disservice to the conservative movement to pretend that their boycott, their non-participation, is somehow symptomatic of a wider split in the conservative movement.”

[Tribune7]

Any organization that says it is somehow OK to have anal sex should not be part of the conservative movement.

If the members of these groups want to tag along because we are going to cut their taxes, and make it so the doctors don't disappear when they most need them, fine.

If the movement, however, gives even the slightest approval to bad behavior the movement is toast.

And with regard to political reality, gay marriage is not a winning issue even among Democrats.

[MsLady]

I agree with that. They should stand firm against all of this gay rights nonsense. You treat them like anyone else, they can’t have special rights. It’s just one more nail in the moral fiber of the country.

[ScottinVA]

I look at it as a well-planned scheme to split up the conservative movement. It seems to be working.

[Maelstorm]

GoProud is hostile to the idea of freewill. If they proved themselves truly unique in accepting the reality of exgays & the right of those with unwanted desires to receive treatment and rejected the liberal activism and false comparison of “gay rights” to civil rights then they wouldnt be so bad but they support the same hostility that currently gets students who dont conform to the gay rights activism kicked out of programs that would allow them to become mental health professionals etc. GoProud until it show they are really unique is just the same old liberal activism trying to trojan horse Republicans. A gay conservative would never be a gay activist and would be able to acknowledge the flaw in their own condition as well as respect those who disagree with their condition whether they desire to change or not. Gayness for a gay conservative wouldnt be defined by liberal ideas of in your face activism.

[IronJack]

A “conservative homosexual” would believe something like this:

I am homosexual. That makes me a statistical aberration and sets me at odds with the teachings of the Bible, and, by extension, the canons of Western civilization. Through the grace of God, my weakness can be overcome, and the Good Lord knows I’m trying. In the meantime, I will refuse to support anything that makes it easier for others to succumb to this sin. The last thing I am is “proud.”

Anyone professing such a sentiment would be welcome in my tent. Defenders and apologists for perversion would not.