Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Do We Really Need More Submarines and Aircraft Carriers?
Slate ^ | Feb. 14, 2011 | By Fred Kaplan

Posted on 02/15/2011 1:33:47 PM PST by americanophile

Will this be the year that Congress takes after the defense budget, seeing it not as holy writ laid down by an unchallengeable priesthood but rather as a political document hammered out by competing bureaucracies, each with long-standing vested interests? It's a bubbling brew out there, the Tea Party Republicans keen to slash any and all federal programs, joined in a potential alliance of convenience with liberal Democrats seeking to kill big-ticket weapons slammed as pork-barrel waste or Cold War antiques.

The Obama administration's proposed defense budget for fiscal year 2012, rolled out Monday afternoon by Secretary of Defense Robert Gates, makes for a gigantic target on this shooting range.

All told, it amounts to $702.8 billion, broken down as follows: $553 billion for the baseline discretionary Defense Department budget, $5 billion for a handful of mandatory programs, $117.8 billion for the costs of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, and—a category usually omitted in these sorts of analyses but clearly laid out in the tables of the White House budget office—$27 billion for "defense-related" programs in other federal departments, nearly half of it for nuclear-weapons labs, reactors, and warhead maintenance in the Department of Energy.

The money to fight the wars is probably untouchable. First, as a result of the troop pullout from Iraq, it's a lot less money than the $160 billion funded last year. Second, as was the case last year, Gates is straightforward in itemizing these war-fighting costs ($80 billion for the troops and supplies, $10 billion for equipment to counter roadside bombs, $12 billion to repair and replace equipment, etc.). This is a refreshing contrast to his predecessor, Donald Rumsfeld, who offered no elaboration and stuffed several non-war-related programs into the account to make the baseline budget seem smaller.

(Excerpt) Read more at slate.com ...


TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: budget; defensespending; military
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-4041-6061-8081-84 next last
Comments?
1 posted on 02/15/2011 1:33:55 PM PST by americanophile
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: americanophile

yes we need them


2 posted on 02/15/2011 1:35:25 PM PST by sitkaspruce
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: americanophile

Of course not...we need more peace signs, flowers and fluffy rabbits to throw at our enemies.


3 posted on 02/15/2011 1:35:35 PM PST by max americana
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: americanophile

Hmm, lemme think on this a minute....

YES!

... if they will be used against US citizens’ enemies and not on US citizens...


4 posted on 02/15/2011 1:36:36 PM PST by bgill (Kenyan Parliament - how could a man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: americanophile
In a word - Yes!!!

Lamh Foistenach Abu!
5 posted on 02/15/2011 1:38:19 PM PST by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines, RVN '69 - St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: americanophile

Mine are all here:

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Reports/2010/06/Confronting-the-Unsustainable-Growth-of-Welfare-Entitlements-Principles-of-Reform-and-the-Next-Steps

Move down the page a bit to the graphs. I can find a nearly a trillion that can be saved RIGHT NOW!


6 posted on 02/15/2011 1:39:15 PM PST by I cannot think of a name
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: max americana

And HUGS, more hugs ...


7 posted on 02/15/2011 1:39:21 PM PST by exnavy (May the Lord grant our troops protection and endurance.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: americanophile

You can never have too much of anything.


8 posted on 02/15/2011 1:39:42 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously..... You won't live through it anyway.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: americanophile

DemoGenerates just can’t wait to be slaves again...Put in Concentration Camps, and eventually plowed into mass graves again...How else can they prove themselves to be “good”?

They all suffer with Death Camp Victim Envy.


9 posted on 02/15/2011 1:40:03 PM PST by DGHoodini (Iran Azadi)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: americanophile

If it ever hits the fan with China or Russia, we’ll wish we had more of both, but especially submarines.


10 posted on 02/15/2011 1:40:59 PM PST by NavVet ("You Lie!")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: americanophile

>> Comments?

We need to build plenty of submarines and aircraft carriers.

We also need a moratorium on bleeding-heart Slate liberals.


11 posted on 02/15/2011 1:42:19 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NavVet

Agreed sir.

STS2/SS (SSN 724)


12 posted on 02/15/2011 1:42:59 PM PST by TexasPatriot1 (I am unique, Just like everybody else.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: americanophile
Too much money on last generation weapons for last generation wars. The future is in UAVs, directed energy weapons, and spaced based defenses. The last two the very programs that have been cut/eliminated. The future is for the bold and the victors will have the high ground.
13 posted on 02/15/2011 1:43:20 PM PST by Prokopton
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: americanophile

Most certainly.

And we need less welfare for folks who are here illegally, no NPR, no relief for idiot liberal states who are bankrupt, and total rejection of any govt backed retirement for the UAW and other toads.

And that’s the truth.


14 posted on 02/15/2011 1:44:16 PM PST by Da Coyote
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: americanophile
Liberals think yet more funding for welfare payouts & public employee salaries & pensions is money better spent than that spent on nasty ol' national defense.

After all, the former guarantees a 100% ROI.

15 posted on 02/15/2011 1:46:18 PM PST by skeeter
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: americanophile
Lawmakers should ask the Navy to lay out (in closed-door hearings, if need be) the precise scenarios in which the United States needs more submarines and aircraft carriers than it already has. They'll find the scenarios are pretty far-fetched.

I think Joe Biden would answer the question with two words, "China."

16 posted on 02/15/2011 1:46:32 PM PST by Jacquerie (The Journolist Media – Sword and Shield of the democrat party.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: americanophile

Yes, and we need to tax liberals at twice the rate of patriots to pay for them.


17 posted on 02/15/2011 1:46:58 PM PST by LibWhacker
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: americanophile

War is coming. We’re going to need more of everything.

Thats the one thing federal government is supposed to do. Cut everywhere else.


18 posted on 02/15/2011 1:47:16 PM PST by marron
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Prokopton
Too much money on last generation weapons for last generation wars.

Will this still be true if we get a conservative POTUS and the middle east comes unglued? Won't most of the fighting be more traditional, meaning one country invading another with tanks and troops and aircraft, etc?

19 posted on 02/15/2011 1:47:55 PM PST by paulycy (Islamo-Marxism is Evil.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: americanophile

I’ll let this man speak for me:

“This is the man who wants to be the Commander in Chief of our U.S. Armed Forces?! U.S. forces armed with what — spitballs?!”

- Zell Miller, referring to John Kerry, at the 2004 Republican National Convention


20 posted on 02/15/2011 1:48:02 PM PST by Palmetto Patriot (Just exactly when is the next Election?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-4041-6061-8081-84 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson