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Suspended teacher defends blog calling students lazy whiners
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Posted on 02/16/2011 1:56:00 PM PST by Sub-Driver

Suspended teacher defends blog calling students lazy whiners 4:19pm EST

PHILADELPHIA (Reuters) - A high school English teacher suspended from her job after she blogged that her students were "rude, disengaged, lazy whiners," said on Wednesday that she did nothing wrong.

"Some of the students, parents and administrators don't want to hear the truth," said Natalie Munroe, 30, a teacher at Central Bucks East High School north of Philadelphia.

In a blog she said was intended to be seen only by a handful of her friends, but was shared on Facebook by a student who discovered it, Munroe was highly critical of some students and school administrators.

"My students are out of control," she wrote.

"They are rude, disengaged, lazy whiners. They curse, discuss drugs, talk back, argue for grades, complain about everything, fancy themselves entitled to whatever they desire and are just generally annoying."

She suggested more accurate ways to describe pupils on their report cards, including "Seems smarter than she actually is" and "A complete and utter jerk in all ways."

In another post, she denounced the school administration by using a crude anatomical reference.

Munroe, who is nearly 9 months pregnant, was suspended with pay pending an investigation into her blog, said Carol Counihan, spokeswoman for the school district.

Munroe was escorted from the school a week ago by the principal and a security guard.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


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I tend to agree........
1 posted on 02/16/2011 1:56:01 PM PST by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver

Not good sense, to write a blog that is offensive to your employer under your own name. Even one that is only going to be shared with a few friends.


2 posted on 02/16/2011 1:59:05 PM PST by heartwood
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To: Sub-Driver

Yeah, I bet there is mostly truth in that. But still it was very stupid to put that on a blog (and get caught). She is 9 months pregnant though... bet that played a part. My wife was hell on wheels during pregnancy.


3 posted on 02/16/2011 2:00:26 PM PST by StolarStorm
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To: Sub-Driver
In a blog she said was intended to be seen only by a handful of her friends, but was shared on Facebook by a student who discovered it, Munroe was highly critical of some students and school administrators.
 
For being so naive and stupid... She deserves a suspension 
 

"My students are out of control," she wrote.

"They are rude, disengaged, lazy whiners. They curse, discuss drugs, talk back, argue for grades, complain about everything, fancy themselves entitled to whatever they desire and are just generally annoying."


For stating the plain truth... she deserves a Captain Obvious award.
 
 


4 posted on 02/16/2011 2:00:38 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (Yes, as a matter of fact, what you do in your bedroom IS my business.)
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To: Sub-Driver

I think we have located the conservative teacher;)


5 posted on 02/16/2011 2:01:31 PM PST by Frank_2001
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To: heartwood

For sure. The blog was a great idea, and spot on, but why put your real name to it.


6 posted on 02/16/2011 2:02:27 PM PST by circlecity
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To: heartwood

Uhm... her “employers” are the taxpayers who fund the school that she teaches at and they deserve to know the truth.

Don’t fall for the trap that her “employer” is some district head dunderbluss who also gets his salary from the taxpayers.


7 posted on 02/16/2011 2:03:08 PM PST by PhilosopherStone1000 (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2649877/posts)
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To: Frank_2001

I’m conservative teacher, and I don’t see how airing individual grievances with students in public is at all conducive to professional conduct.


8 posted on 02/16/2011 2:03:37 PM PST by BenKenobi (Don't expect to build up the weak by pulling down the strong. - Silent Cal)
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To: StolarStorm

Stupid? Since when is telling the truth, stupid? We need more teachers who face up to the truth.


9 posted on 02/16/2011 2:03:43 PM PST by Captain Kirk
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To: heartwood

“a blog that is offensive to your employer”

One of the best things about being self-employed is the ability to annoy your boss whenever you feel like it!;)


10 posted on 02/16/2011 2:05:06 PM PST by Frank_2001
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To: Sub-Driver

I agree with her also. What gets me is that parents would be upset that she said this about her students! If one of my kids teachers would have said that about my kid, my kid would be the one in trouble. Not the teacher. I couldn’t be a teacher, since I wouldn’t be allowed to “reach out and touch one” of the little darlin’s....


11 posted on 02/16/2011 2:05:28 PM PST by southernindymom
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To: Captain Kirk
"In another post, she denounced the school administration by using a crude anatomical reference."

It's stupid if you want to keep your job. :)
12 posted on 02/16/2011 2:05:34 PM PST by StolarStorm
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To: Responsibility2nd

Her description fits most of the “hands out” liberals in the country.


13 posted on 02/16/2011 2:05:56 PM PST by MrB (Tagline suspended for important announcement on my home page. Click my handle.)
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To: StolarStorm

she said on FOX that it was a private blog and only meant for 4 people

LOL
Is this the kind of stupid people we have teaching kids now?
Hey dumbo its the internet, nothing is private


14 posted on 02/16/2011 2:06:10 PM PST by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: heartwood

You mean anything you post on the web isn’t protected? Damn!


15 posted on 02/16/2011 2:06:31 PM PST by Gaffer
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To: Sub-Driver

Dumb, unprofessional, and immature....

Also dead on. Ironically, she’s acting a bit like the students she’s complaining about.


16 posted on 02/16/2011 2:07:30 PM PST by Hoodlum91 (There's a strange odor coming from the White House. Smells like BO.)
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To: manc

But “Seems smarter than she actually is”. Glass houses....


17 posted on 02/16/2011 2:07:30 PM PST by StolarStorm
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To: Captain Kirk

she is stupid for saying on FOX that the message was private done on her blog.
I guess she forgot that the internet is where anyone can read it.


18 posted on 02/16/2011 2:07:39 PM PST by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: BenKenobi

I agree.


19 posted on 02/16/2011 2:10:18 PM PST by Jane Austen (Boycott the Philadelphia Eagles!)
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To: BenKenobi

I agree with what you said, she was probably cranky, being 9 months pregnant...I figure I’d be that way too!! People have to remember they’re not really that anonymous on the internet. She just should have told them all how “special” they are!;)


20 posted on 02/16/2011 2:13:12 PM PST by Frank_2001
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To: southernindymom

“I couldn’t be a teacher, since I wouldn’t be allowed to ‘reach out and touch one’ of the little darlin’s”

Eh, there are plenty of other ways ;)


21 posted on 02/16/2011 2:13:51 PM PST by BenKenobi (Don't expect to build up the weak by pulling down the strong. - Silent Cal)
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To: StolarStorm

Ouch! If you want to mix it up with the big guys, you need tenure!!;)


22 posted on 02/16/2011 2:15:47 PM PST by Frank_2001
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To: Gaffer

It’s protected if you protect it. Web applications can be made very secure.


23 posted on 02/16/2011 2:16:14 PM PST by proxy_user
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To: Frank_2001
I think we have located the conservative teacher;)

When she calls part of the staff at her school "rude, disengaged, lazy whiners" then I'll believe she is conservative.

24 posted on 02/16/2011 2:16:56 PM PST by TankerKC (Confucius say, he who rushes to vote on bill before reading, might forget severability clause.)
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To: Frank_2001

There are times, yes. Fortunately I can call parents if necessary, and they have been really good about impressing on their kids that their behaviour in class is a reflection on them as parents.

But truthfully, my class is wonderful. They have been such a blessing to me.


25 posted on 02/16/2011 2:17:13 PM PST by BenKenobi (Don't expect to build up the weak by pulling down the strong. - Silent Cal)
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To: proxy_user

Yes, I’m sure the NSA likes people like you.


26 posted on 02/16/2011 2:17:36 PM PST by Gaffer
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To: Sub-Driver

A cousin of mine (age ~~55) has worked for several years to transition from engineering to being a school teacher. He likes working with kids, sports, baseball coaching, that whole thing, and God bless him. This past year was his first as a math teacher, a goal he has worked very hard and very diligently to achieve. And he’s freaked out, because he’s stuck failing 45/70 = 64% of his students and scared to death he’ll be fired. The stories he tells me about how poorly these kids perform on any sort of math test are just appalling, unbelievable. Algebra is the main mountain he works to get them over.

I asked him “Don’t they freaking know that a quarter equals 5 nickels??”

He answers, “Not that many of them do...but funny you should mention it....that was one of the problems on the last test...”


27 posted on 02/16/2011 2:19:41 PM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder ("Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit smoking" - Barack Hussein Obama)
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To: Sub-Driver
I just retired from a school district here in South Carolina, I agree whole heatedly with this teacher.
I have seen students go from disrespect to open contempt.
What she says about overrated self esteem is right on.
These kids don't give a damn about anything. You can't entice them in any way, threaten them with failing and they say “so what”,then the teachers are blamed for poor grades
The education system is broken, and has been broken for a long time. The parents don't give a hoot either, just as long as Suzie or Johnnie, are not disturbing their TV watching.
There is NO discipline, the administration only cares about numbers write a kid up too many times and you'll get a lecture on how much $$ that would cost the school.
Now you can't give a kid a zero,the lowest grade a teacher can give is a 60.
Teachers are forced to attend endless staff meetings concocting ways to “retest”,”regrade” and ( This one I love) “creative grading enhancement”.As I said,the education system is broken and has been broken for a long time.
28 posted on 02/16/2011 2:20:33 PM PST by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: Sub-Driver

29 posted on 02/16/2011 2:22:02 PM PST by DigitalVideoDude (It's amazing what you can accomplish when you don't care who gets the credit. -Ronald Reagan)
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To: Sub-Driver

Time was the truth was a defense; now it’s a crime.


30 posted on 02/16/2011 2:27:19 PM PST by Spok
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To: Robe
These kids don't give a damn about anything.

Take that back. My wife's niece had big goals. Get a job at Taco Bell's so she could by a cellphone and car.

She got the cellphone but got pregnant before she saved enough for the car.

Unbelievably, the dude married her!

Fortunately for both, the government gives them free medical and other benefits.

31 posted on 02/16/2011 2:30:14 PM PST by SeeSac
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To: Captain Kirk

“Stupid? Since when is telling the truth, stupid?”

Like almost always?

“Truth is a precious thing and should be used sparingly.”—Mark Twain

“Being right too soon is socially unacceptable.”
Robert A. Heinlein


32 posted on 02/16/2011 2:32:06 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: Robe
Teachers are forced to attend endless staff meetings concocting ways to “retest”,”regrade” and ( This one I love) “creative grading enhancement”.As I said,the education system is broken and has been broken for a long time.

I did a brief teach stint a few decades ago. We didn't need endless staff meetings. They just told us "Don't dare flunk any minorities."

33 posted on 02/16/2011 2:32:19 PM PST by SeeSac
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To: Responsibility2nd
We can't speak the truth in America if it might hurt some feelings. Teachers are being suspended for speaking their mind while outside of the workplace. I could see this turning into censorship for conservative teachers who speak out against liberalism.
34 posted on 02/16/2011 2:33:17 PM PST by peeps36 (America is being destroyed by filthy traitors in the political establishment)
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To: allmendream

Yep, I’ve been forced out form a job before for telling the truth, a truth that would have saved the company millions. But they couldn’t handle the truth.


35 posted on 02/16/2011 2:33:48 PM PST by StolarStorm
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To: peeps36

“I could see this turning into censorship for conservative teachers who speak out against liberalism.”

turning?


36 posted on 02/16/2011 2:34:33 PM PST by BenKenobi (Don't expect to build up the weak by pulling down the strong. - Silent Cal)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

Your cousin is a saint. I worked, and still do work as a tutor. I see all kinds of horror stories, but I work one on one with them, so I can actually devote the time necessary to get the kiddo over the hump.

Don’t get me started on ‘reading’!


37 posted on 02/16/2011 2:37:38 PM PST by BenKenobi (Don't expect to build up the weak by pulling down the strong. - Silent Cal)
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To: Responsibility2nd

For being honest and calling attention to the absolute worst behaved generation of children, she deserves a raise and a promotion.


38 posted on 02/16/2011 2:39:19 PM PST by Post5203 (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing...Edmund Burke)
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To: Robe

And this is Philadelphia.......a foreign country


39 posted on 02/16/2011 2:42:57 PM PST by Sub-Driver (Proud member of the Republican wing of the Republican Party)
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To: BenKenobi

He stays, or at least offers to stay in his office for tutoring til 5 pm. There are several tutoring programs at his school. And these kids never take him up on his or the other offers. He says “I feel like the Maytag repairman”.

He’s very up front with them, in terms of warning them every week that they MUST get this or that done or submitted or they CAN NOT proceed; he will accept any homework at any time during the quarter/semester with the idea that as long as they go thru the work, it’s a good thing. And still, they find a way to exhibit the complete failure to demonstrate the effort.

And his general take on it is “these are the kids that you and I didn’t go to school with, we didn’t know them, we didn’t have them as friends”.

I don’t know what you do with kids who demonstrate no affinity towards learning new stuff. At that age, it is so much easier to learn, just because of the state of our brains. I think it would be good to go on field trips to homeless encampments. The theme would be “You have a Choice”.


40 posted on 02/16/2011 2:59:11 PM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder ("Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit smoking" - Barack Hussein Obama)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

What do I do? Try to connect with them some way so that they understand this stuff is relevant. This is stuff we go over first thing before we proceed on.

I ask them what do they know, get a handle on where they are starting from. Only then can I work with them to help.

I make it very clear up front, that they have a choice. If they do not wish to attend or do the work, then they can leave. If they are late, I charge the parents as if they were there on time, and then we go extra long the next time I see them, and I don’t charge the parents.

So they quickly learn that they have to be there on time, and they have to be ready to learn. It does work. The kids who are late realize that they are going to catch shit from their parents, and that they are still stuck waiting, and now there’s no class.

Kids don’t understand that Y is related to X, unless they are actually shown. Can’t assume that our knowledge and experience translates to where they are in life.

I’ve taken students from 30 percent, to an A level, it usually takes about 4 months of intensive work. Every kid is different.


41 posted on 02/16/2011 3:07:30 PM PST by BenKenobi (Don't expect to build up the weak by pulling down the strong. - Silent Cal)
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To: Sub-Driver

Welcome to my world: This skit frequently runs through my mind.

http://www.lesn.appstate.edu/olson/password_pages/Jokes/Jerry%20Seinfeld%20History_Teacher%20video.htm


42 posted on 02/16/2011 3:14:29 PM PST by FrdmLvr (Death to tyrants)
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To: FrdmLvr

I think she should have been brought in if this was her first offense, disciplined and encouraged to be more “wise” in her statements and realize that Nothing is private. It is always smart to stay off the internet for job issues. My husband is a teacher and I get an earful of his commets, but he never speaks against a student and is very careful about any remarks he makes on his facebook. Yes, she probably does have stupid, lazy kids in her class - hopefully, she will help become part of the solution - if not, perhaps teaching is not the career for her!


43 posted on 02/16/2011 3:32:33 PM PST by princess leah
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To: Sub-Driver

Great movie person:
Head Mistress Trenchmouth
(Matilda)
God I wish I could have sent my kid to her for three days.
Even now and he is graduating college in May.


44 posted on 02/16/2011 3:56:34 PM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO))
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To: Robe

I am a 7th grade Math teacher with 20 years of fulltime teaching experience in public schools, and I vehemently concur with your comment, “the education system is broken and has been broken for a long time.” The federal department of education, the notion of “entitlement,” rampant illegal drug use, “blended” families, lack of self-respect, lack of common courtesy, lack of discipline in the home and from school administrators, etc. have all contributed to this decline.

Oh, did I forget to mention No Child Left Behind and “teaching to the test” rather than teaching MATH?

Math skills build! Students must have prerequisite skills and understanding before moving on!

STUDENTS SHOULD BE RETAINED UNTIL THEY HAVE ACQUIRED THESE NECESSARY SKILLS - NO “FUDGING” ALLOWED.

The educational system needs to STOP all of this rampant and reduntant testing that erodes classroom instructional time!!!

We have lost at least TWO weeks of class time SO FAR this year in order for “data to be collected so that I am aware of my students’ weaknesses”. BS!

I look at my students’ test scores every year when school begins and have a base knowledge of their math strengths/weaknesses - or rather test-taking abilities. Not to mention that our school system wants ALL of the objectives - and leave out the “fluff” - to be “covered” by mid-January, even though official testing season occurs for two weeks in mid-March. (The “fluff” consists of extension activities that incorporate history, art, hands-on experiences, real-life applications, the use of technology - like graphing calculators, computer programs such as Geometer’s Sketchpad and PowerPoint, and internet-based research, etc.)

I have not even addressed behavioral issues in the classroom: argumentative, sassy, back-talking students; students with extreme emotional issues who constantly want and do pick a fight with someone; students who talk/sing to themselves; students who REFUSE to get out a pencil and paper and just sit there; students who ATTACK other students, teachers, and bus drivers and are WARNED: “don’t do it again or you’ll go to youth detention”. Whatever happened to EXPULSION? Oh, that’s right. No Child Left Behind

I have said many times for many years that I LOVE being a teacher. However, this is definitely THE year from h*ll.

I DO HOPE NEXT YEAR IS BETTER!

BTW: Not all teachers are bad. I am sick and tired of hearing that poor test scores are all a teacher’s fault!!!

I coach a Math Team and offer complimentary tutoring for an hour once a week after school. In the past, I have had as many as 15 students participate in tutoring. This year, at most, three students have taken advantage of my free tutoring on a given day.


45 posted on 02/16/2011 4:13:24 PM PST by lyby ("Mathematics is the language with which God has written the universe." ~ Galileo Galilei)
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To: Sub-Driver

ON PAID LEAVE... just saying, no incentive to get back to actually earning her pay. She does speak the truth.


46 posted on 02/16/2011 4:50:40 PM PST by 23 Everest (A gun in hand is better than a cop on the phone.)
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To: lyby
You are so right on ... I taught remedial math for 4 years..
it really tested my ability to teach one concept 14 different ways, and still get questions like, "Hey Mr. XXXXXX, how many quarter in a dollar??, Five, right????"

Those were the days you wanted to end it all.....Thank G-D for adult beverages

47 posted on 02/17/2011 7:15:56 AM PST by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: allmendream

If there was ever a time when truth should not be used “sparingly,” it is on the ugly realities of public education in the United States.


48 posted on 02/17/2011 7:37:08 AM PST by Captain Kirk
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To: Captain Kirk

First you dig your foxhole, THEN you engage the enemy.

The truth is not a shield invulnerable from the consequences brought on by those who do not want to hear it, or for others to hear it.

Having the right of way is one thing, jumping out of the way of the car is another.

Stand upon your right and the truth at your own peril is what I am saying. Pick your battles and defend defensible positions.

She didn’t.


49 posted on 02/17/2011 7:40:23 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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