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Video case reflects generations' great divide (musician faces 20 year sentence for youtube prank)
Mlive.com ^ | 02/20/11 | Cindy Fairfield

Posted on 02/21/2011 10:29:38 AM PST by Gena Bukin

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To: truthfreedom; DJ MacWoW; wtc911; beandog; Palladin; little jeremiah; trisham; metmom; samiam1972; ..
A handful of Conservatives jump up and down about something, and before you know it, it’s impossible to persuade moderates that Conservatives are better. It’s just a choice about what you want to ban. Conservatives want to ban video editing that makes it look like kids are in favor of bad things. It’s not enough to make bad things a crime.

I am convinced that when it comes to matters of morality, moderates and even some liberals will side with conservatives if we present true conservatism.

The problem is the non-conservatives who want to steal the conservative label. Conservatism is fiscal conservatism AND social conservatism AND strong national defense. Without ANY of these three elements conservatism fails.

First there were the "Goldwater conservatives" (they were obviously too dense to understand that Goldwater was a FAILURE) and then they started calling themselves "fiscal conservatives" and now "Tea Party conservatives." These people ARE NOT conservatives, they are leftists who don't like taxes.

101 posted on 02/21/2011 1:43:24 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Lando Lincoln; DJ MacWoW; wtc911; beandog; Palladin; little jeremiah; trisham; metmom; ...
Actually Jazz, I think gena was taking a jab at those would judge you for making such a suggestion. After all, the gang’s all here after the trumpet blast was sounded by one. Or, was it a dog whistle?

Let me guess, the other True Blew trolls were making fun of you for not getting zotted and you figured that coming here and defending pedophiles would give you more credibility?

102 posted on 02/21/2011 1:49:11 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Gena Bukin

Thanks for both of your concern of my past.

Sorry if I misunderstood.


103 posted on 02/21/2011 1:50:38 PM PST by Jazz1968 (I)
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To: metmom

Things comedians say on stage are only jokes if you say so.

Perhaps that’ll be the Republicans message in 2012.

We’re making metmom the Secretary of Jokes. Metmom will make the determination of what is funny and what is not.

We had some success in 2010 by being against more government, but metmom insists that what is necessary are more laws and more bureaucracy and more government regarding things that are jokes, or things that become not jokes because metmom doesn’t like them.

Under no circumstances should conservative mean anything except what people who call themselves “conservatives” want at any given time.

If the Democrats like Vanilla, Conservatives like Chocolate, and anyone who thinks we should be silent on the issue of “best ice cream” is clearly a liberal agitator.

And it’s amazing how many people have never seen South Park.
Remember, those are CHILDREN on South Park.

And it’s not a joke. Did anyone see South Park a few years ago, Kenny and Mrs. Crabtree? Kenny Died! Died! He was dead. Parker and Stone need to be put on sex offenders lists. Because it’s a slippery slope. First it’s a cartoon depiction of Kenny crawling up ..., and then Parker and Stone will take actual kids and do that. And for you who think that South Park is a joke, IT’S NOT. It’s a sex crime. Parker and Stone are sex criminals. </s>


104 posted on 02/21/2011 1:54:32 PM PST by truthfreedom
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To: Jazz1968

I have no clue if he’s a pedophile or not. He may be. But
usually doing pedophilia makes one a pedophile, and making a video makes one a video maker.

And lots of people here just think, just like Democrats, that things they don’t like are the same thing as crimes, and if they’re not crimes, they should be.


105 posted on 02/21/2011 1:58:22 PM PST by truthfreedom
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To: wtc911

AMEN!


106 posted on 02/21/2011 2:02:42 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: wagglebee

Show me one post, one word of defending peodophiles that has ever been written or iterated by me. One.

Just one.


107 posted on 02/21/2011 2:04:03 PM PST by Lando Lincoln
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To: truthfreedom
Nice.

It gets a bit scary around here sometimes doesn't it?

108 posted on 02/21/2011 2:06:57 PM PST by A Texan (Oderint dum metuant)
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To: truthfreedom
And it’s amazing how many people have never seen South Park. Remember, those are CHILDREN on South Park.

_______________________________________

A. It's encouraging how many people have seen South Park and decided for themselves not to watch it again...it's that moral fiber of society thing.

B. Remember, those are CARTOONS on South Park.

109 posted on 02/21/2011 2:14:33 PM PST by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: wagglebee

Goldwater and the tea party are not country club Republicans, or RINOs who are liberals who don’t like taxes.

The phrase “fiscal conservative” does not match tea party and does not match Goldwater.

Limited Constitutional Government. The Federal Government must do much much less. That is not the fiscal conservative position, and it is the tea party position.

Bush was weak on National Defense (see 9/11) but excellent at pointlessly spending Billions or Trillions halfway around the globe on Military Offense. There is no 3 legs anymore.

Socons should be louder at making it clear that gay marriage is 100% unacceptable. The elites, the BushRinos, have been filling the RNC with fags and they’re there now and apparently we can’t just get rid of them. We should explain how Limited Constitutional Government means socially conservative outcomes. Get rid of Roe v Wade, that’s a big government solution.

Limited Constitutional Government. The pole affixed to the floor. try knocking that stool over.


110 posted on 02/21/2011 2:14:49 PM PST by truthfreedom
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Come on just tell us, what are the True Blew trolls saying about this thread?
111 posted on 02/21/2011 2:17:05 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: truthfreedom

I believe it is and so do those involved. He created a video that represented the children as enjoying music that was porn. Do you know how many actual pedophiles viewed it? Of course not. It’s another step down the slippery slope. Representing children as sexual objects and enjoying sexual content is dangerous. This kind of thing isn’t a joke and it isn’t funny. It portrays children incorrectly.


112 posted on 02/21/2011 2:18:57 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: wtc911

Are you saying that the Children on South Park did not actually have the storyline happen to them? Right, and nothing bad happened to the Children in the video either.

I thought that the argument was that the kids did not know that anything bad was happening, but it was still bad.


113 posted on 02/21/2011 2:19:06 PM PST by truthfreedom
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It gets a bit scary around here sometimes doesn't it?

Yes. It does. That ANYONE would think it's fine to portray elementary school age kids as enjoying explicit sexual lyrics is very scary.

114 posted on 02/21/2011 2:24:03 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: truthfreedom

No, I am saying that the “children” on SP are not real. I am also shaking my head in amazement that you are actually using cartoon characters in an argument about real children...and that you think it’s somehow clever.


115 posted on 02/21/2011 2:24:24 PM PST by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: DJ MacWoW

You can work with metmom. She’s the Secretary of Jokes.
You can be Undersecretary of portraying children correctly.

Overall, there’s a lot of depravity out there, but I basically give joe blow local a slide.

Watch some tv if you’re interested in popular culture post 1970. You’ll get really really mad.

Try these shows, and get back to me on this.
Jon Dorn Television Show. IFC
The Whitest Kids You Know. IFC
Funny or Die presents. HBO
Eastbound and Down. HBO

People are making a lot of money from those shows. Bad people are being influenced to do bad things by the stuff the see on TV.

And faggotry is depraved and it’s all over network TV. Watch network TV and report back with all the instances of profag you see in a week.


116 posted on 02/21/2011 2:28:26 PM PST by truthfreedom
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To: wtc911; truthfreedom
and that you think it’s somehow clever.

And don't forget scary. How anyone can compare cartoons to real children that can be harmed is beyond me.

The parents were upset because their childrens faces were clearly shown. There is NO way of knowing if that video was viewed by pedophiles and if they thought the children were actually enjoying explicit lyrics.

117 posted on 02/21/2011 2:29:17 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: wtc911

In neither case did bad things happen to Children.

True or False?


118 posted on 02/21/2011 2:30:15 PM PST by truthfreedom
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To: DJ MacWoW
I believe it is and so do those involved. He created a video that represented the children as enjoying music that was porn. Do you know how many actual pedophiles viewed it? Of course not. It’s another step down the slippery slope. Representing children as sexual objects and enjoying sexual content is dangerous. This kind of thing isn’t a joke and it isn’t funny. It portrays children incorrectly.

The other issue is that nobody needs to be encouraging pedophiles to be molesting children.

This video could easily incite or encourage someone to act on the message.

There is no such thing as a victimless crime. If (or more likely when) some child is molested because of the content of something like this, the guy who produced it is ultimately culpable.

We CANNOT destroy the moral fiber of this country and expect it to survive. It will not happen.

119 posted on 02/21/2011 2:30:35 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: truthfreedom
there’s a lot of depravity out there,

Yes. There is. Which is why we shouldn't countenance more. There's a loooooong fall at the end of that slide.

Btw, I don't have TV. There is NOTHING on there but garbage.

120 posted on 02/21/2011 2:31:58 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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