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Men Don't Exist to Serve Women's Desires
Pajamas Media ^ | Feb. 23, 2011 | Helen Smith

Posted on 02/23/2011 9:34:40 AM PST by FreeManDC

I read Kay Hymowitz’s new book, Manning Up: How the Rise of Women Has Turned Men into Boys, recently. First, the good points:

Hymowitz does acknowledge that women have made great strides in our society mainly due to advances in technology and the knowledge economy that gives better jobs to those with degrees, degrees that “take years.” Hymowitz has a good chapter titled “The New Girl Order” in which she admits that Americans now like girls better than boys. She does a fair job of describing some of the biases against boys, though she does little to rectify them.

Now a couple of bad points:

Hymowitz talks to very few actual men for this book. If males are included, it is through a book or blog written by a woman or a chivalrous man. Or Hymowitz invokes a blog written by a male blogger such as “Roissy” to prove how “misogynist” these male bloggers are. However, her definition of “misogynist” seems to be any male who dares complain about a female. The book would have been better if Hymowitz had included more actual male voices, and if she had demonstrated a bit more psychological understanding of the male perspective. (But then, maybe that is a book I should write).

I do believe Hymowitz tried to be sensitive to the plight of today’s men, but the book presents as being more concerned about how men fit into the world of women rather than how men actually feel themselves.

Hymowitz makes little or no mention of the discrimination going on in today’s college culture against men. She sees men as a bunch of goofballs who just can’t cut it in comparison to women. Hymowitz gives an example of how women work harder than men in college. Women, according to studies:

… contribute more to class discussion and have more frequent communication with faculty including discussions about career plans. … Overall, men are less engaged in college life.

She mentions the work of Richard Whitmire, author of Why Boys Fail, who reports that “men tend to be loners.” One professor Hymowitz mentions says:

The men come into class with their backward baseball caps and the “word processor ate my homework” excuses. Meanwhile the women are checking their day planners and asking for recommendations to law school.

If women were showing disinterest or not engaging in conversation at college, the big question would be: “what are we doing wrong, and how can we get them engaged?” When men tune out, they are good-for-nothing slackers. Perhaps if men were welcomed into this conversation, they wouldn’t need to sit back in stony silence.

What would happen if a regular Joe, not an alpha male, came into class and gave his true opinion about the topics at hand, say in a psychology or sociology class? What if that opinion was non-PC, such as: “I think that men should not have to pay child support if women can have abortions,” etc.? How far would that man get in school? Would he graduate? Would he even pass the class? Even if men won’t admit it to themselves and women like Hymowitz overlook the problem, it exists.

After 45 years of being told they are pigs, sexist, and good for nothing, men have quit trying to please others, so they slap on a baseball cap and don’t talk much. And with good reason.

According to Hymowitz, these child-men are all used to a freewheeling life of going from girl to girl and video game to video game. Hymowitz mistakenly believes that men are suffering from the limits of American individualism.

Though she reluctantly admits that the “materials available to young men are meager, and what is available contradicts itself,” she comes up with this ridiculous conclusion: “At bottom, they are too free, a fact epitomized by their undefined, open-ended, and profoundly autonomous pre-adulthood.” She ends the book suggesting that young women will have to get a better understanding of the limitations imposed by their bodies (Huh?) and young men need to man up.

My question to her: Why should they?

What do you have to offer these men you call child-men if they do man up? Are you going to ensure that they have fair access to their children should they divorce? Will you make sure that they aren’t hauled off to jail if the wife makes false accusations of domestic violence? Will you let them keep the earnings and property that they worked for over years rather than have them turned over to their wife, even if she cheated and was abusive? Will you shield the millions of men who live in fear of their significant other but have nowhere to turn for help? Will you make marriage, in other words, as valuable to men as you think it is for women?

I doubt it. What Hymowitz and other authors in this area — see Kathleen Parker’s Save the Males: Why Men Matter, Why Women Should Care for another example — seem to want is for these men to marry women and make them happy. Rather than recognize that they are autonomous beings who are living for themselves and fulfilling their own needs and not a woman’s obligations, these analyses of the “man problem” seem to be all about what women want.

Well, such are the fruits of half a century of organizing gender relations along the lines of women’s immediate desires. Long term, it has resulted in men bailing out, going “John Galt” in the gender economy. And I can understand the disappointment. But I don’t share it. As you sow, so shall you reap.

You are frustrated that some men have turned their backs on women and have decided to live for themselves and not for you. Perhaps you should have thought of that possibility earlier. And as for that American individualism that you seem to hold in disregard?

May it live long and prosper.


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To: FreeManDC
Meanwhile the women are checking their day planners and asking for recommendations to law school.

Sure they do. Witness Lindsay Lohan, Paris Hilton, the Kardashian sluts, Madonna, and any number of degenerate female 'role models' in popular 'culture'. Yeah, you are certainly teaching little girls how to find happiness and contentment in their futures.

61 posted on 02/23/2011 11:02:39 AM PST by Islander7 (There is no septic system so vile, so filthy, the left won't drink from to further their agenda)
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To: RobRoy
I'm reading "casseroles" as a code word here.

≤}B^)

62 posted on 02/23/2011 11:03:38 AM PST by Erasmus (Personal goal: Have a bigger carbon footprint than Tony Robbins.)
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To: allmendream
This “battle of the sexes” garbage has to stop. A man without a woman is not whole - a woman without a man is not whole

Thank you, thank you! Amen! It IS garbage, and I for one am fed up with it, especially on Free Republic. Jeez, you'd think conservatives would be deeper thinkers.


63 posted on 02/23/2011 11:03:49 AM PST by Cinnamontea
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To: RobRoy
"Who knows how many free casseroles I could have milked out of that group"

LOL, too funny!

64 posted on 02/23/2011 11:07:06 AM PST by jboot
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To: FreeManDC
The men come into class with their backward baseball caps and the “word processor ate my homework” excuses. Meanwhile the women are checking their day planners and asking for recommendations to law school.

After the collapse, those law degrees gonna make mighty poor eatin'.

Actually, they aren't much good even now, unless you can get hired by the gubmint. Nobody else wants a legal greenhorn.

65 posted on 02/23/2011 11:20:56 AM PST by thulldud (Is it "alter or abolish" time yet?)
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To: Erasmus

>>I’m reading “casseroles” as a code word here. <<

Yup. ;)

One of my wife’s favorite authors.


66 posted on 02/23/2011 11:21:58 AM PST by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: DTogo

You hit the nail on the head.


67 posted on 02/23/2011 11:31:18 AM PST by Siena Dreaming
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To: FreeManDC

‘Men Don’t Exist to Serve Women’s Desires’
..And vice versa.


68 posted on 02/23/2011 11:46:29 AM PST by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: FreeManDC

“Meanwhile the women are checking their day planners and asking for recommendations to law school.”


Yeah, we should definitely back off on competence, and resort to manipulation just like the good old days.


69 posted on 02/23/2011 11:51:19 AM PST by esquirette ("Our hearts are restless until they find rest in Thee." ~ Augustine)
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To: chicagolady

I agree. They don’t lead, based upon the behavior of ‘the woman Thou gavest me.”

Wait - where did I hear that?


70 posted on 02/23/2011 11:55:29 AM PST by esquirette ("Our hearts are restless until they find rest in Thee." ~ Augustine)
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To: ClearCase_guy
It has been my experience that a fair per centage of women truly do not believe that their violent acts really are violent. Slapping, scratching, hitting, destroying property are all a form of symbolic communication to these ladies to make us stupid men understand how much we have hurt them about some issue. Uncontrolled rage and anger , vitriolic and obscenely abusive language screamed at the top of the voice range is not verbal abuse it is simply “The only way I can get you to hear me.” Most women do realize that throwing scalding liquids, attacking with a hot iron or a sharp object are violence. Many, however, will never see themselves as violent and abusive as their actions in their minds are ‘not real violence’, ‘don't hurt that much’ etc. Popular culture helps reinforce this perception by presenting destructive acts as ‘cute’ or ‘funny’. Just listen to the lyrics of the Carrie Underwood hit ‘Before He Cheats Again’ and imagine if a male version would be in any way tolerated anywhere. Ms. Underwood , however, made a lot of money off of her recorded paean to the righteous pleasure of felony property destruction done to a cheating boyfriend's property.

Until women own up to their own bad behaviors and foolish behaviors in and out of relationships can there be any equity with the genders.

71 posted on 02/23/2011 1:30:59 PM PST by robowombat
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To: esquirette

LOL! One of the problems is that a lot of FReepers have a 1950s view of women and home life: that is, women were supposed to be brainless ditzes (Gracie Allen) or shrews (Alice in The Honeymooners) and Daddy was supposed to be bored and resentful of both his wife and children, but for some reason showing up at the dinner table to rant every night. If you watched I Love Lucy, you got the more positive side...that is, a little shouting and lots of manipulation.

That said, however, I think men do have a problem now, not because of women per se, but because of an educational establishment that has made it seem like a bad thing to be competitive (men are so by nature), aggressive (men are so by nature) or even heroic (men can be so by principle).

The bizarre thing is that there is a woman-as-slut image running along side of this. I lived in a college town about 5 years ago and I had a friend who rented two extra rooms in her very large house to college girls. One and then both of them worked as “dancers” at the local “Gentleman’s Club,” i.e., a roadhouse where truckers and local losers would get “lap dances.” These girls were all upper-middle-class products of the Florida public educational system, and they simply didn’t see anything wrong with this. Their bodies were just a commodity that they were selling - not even for their tuition (the university is almost free to instate students) or housing (their parents were paying that) - but simply to pay for their drinks and an occasional trip to the Bahamas.

So I think we have a lot of problems here.


72 posted on 02/23/2011 1:37:16 PM PST by livius
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To: robowombat

Well Said


73 posted on 02/23/2011 1:50:03 PM PST by 5Madman2 (There is no such thing as an experienced suicide bomber)
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To: livius

“I think we have a lot of problems here.”


Well said. Roles are great. Dysfunctions masquerading as such are a different matter.


74 posted on 02/23/2011 1:53:07 PM PST by esquirette ("Our hearts are restless until they find rest in Thee." ~ Augustine)
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To: FreeManDC
...Men's influence over women has been so great that they have been virtually able to form women's manners and morals and code of conduct. They have set the pattern for femininity and women have broken their necks trying to be what men wanted them to he. And if you doubt, this, consider what a change has come over the behavior of women in the last few years. As long as men admired modesty in women every girl was a prunes and prisms miss who went swathed in draperies from head to foot.

As long as men demanded chastity in women they kept themselves as pure as snow. As long as no man would have been seen with a drunken woman the sweet young things sang "The lips that touch wine shall never touch mine." But now, when it is the loose living girls who pet and drink and smoke and go on wild parties who have the most dates, girls have cast their inhibitions to the wind and are just as tough as men want them to be. It was men's influence that kept women good. It is men's influence that is dragging them into the mire.

Dorothy Dix, January 15th, 1941

75 posted on 02/23/2011 1:53:50 PM PST by LongElegantLegs (Use it up, wear it out, make it over or do without.)
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To: Trod Upon
Along while ago I had the most interesting experience when I convinced a pretty, very bright young woman who was a full throated feminist but withal a pretty nice person to watch the entirety of Tora Tora Tora and Zulu with me as an experiment to express what certain aspects of maleness were. At the end as we had watched the Japanese Naval Air Arm fall upon the US fleet with the consummate dispatch of thoroughgoing professionals and the men of the USN, USAAF and USMC react with staggering and stunned but determined grit and courage and finally with the fleet burning and bleeding the the unmistakable angry mutter that ‘this will be repaid in full’ hanging in the air my friend sat with tears running down her face and said as she did at the climax of Zulu that ‘there is something inside men that woman can't understand but must respect. Strength, courage, and determination in adversity, whatever it is called and however you may think it atavistic it is magnificent and humbling.’
76 posted on 02/23/2011 1:55:48 PM PST by robowombat
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To: jboot

“SHE DRIVES FOR A RELATIONSHIP - HE’S LOST IN THE TRANSMISSION” By DAVE BARRY

Let’s say a guy named Roger is attracted to a woman named Elaine. He asks her out to a movie; she accepts; they have a pretty good time. A few nights later he asks her out to dinner, and again they enjoy themselves. They continue to see each other regularly, and after a while neither one of them is seeing anybody else.

And then, one evening when they’re driving home, a thought occurs to Elaine, and, without really thinking, she says it aloud: “Do you realize that, as of tonight, we’ve been seeing each other for exactly six months?”

And then there is silence in the car. To Elaine, it seems like a very loud silence. She thinks to herself: Geez, I wonder if it bothers him that I said that. Maybe he’s been feeling confined by our relationship; maybe he thinks I’m trying to push him into some kind of obligation that he doesn’t want, or isn’t sure of. And Roger is thinking: Gosh. Six months.

And Elaine is thinking: But, hey, I’m not so sure I want this kind of relationship, either. Sometimes I wish I had a little more space, so I’d have time to think about whether I really want us to keep going the way we are, moving steadily toward ...I mean, where are we going? Are we just going to keep seeing each other at this level of intimacy? Are we heading toward marriage? Toward children? Toward a lifetime together? Am I ready for that
level of commitment? Do I really even know this person?

And Roger is thinking...so that means it was...let’s see...February when we started going out, which was right after I had the car at the dealer’s, which means...lemme check the odometer...Whoa! I am way overdue for an oil change here.

And Elaine is thinking: He’s upset. I can see it on his face. Maybe I’m reading this completely wrong. Maybe he wants more from our relationship, more intimacy, more commitment; maybe he has sensed it even before I sensed it, that I was feeling some reservations. Yes, I bet that’s it. That’s why he’s so reluctant to say anything about his own feelings. He’s afraid of being rejected.

And Roger is thinking: And I’m gonna have them look at the transmission again. I don’t care what those morons say, it’s still not shifting right. And they better not try to blame it on the cold weather this time. What cold weather? It’s 87 degrees out, and this thing is shifting like a garbage truck, and I paid those incompetent thieves $600.

And Elaine is thinking: He’s angry. And I don’t blame him. I’d be angry, too. God, I feel so guilty, putting him through this, but I can’t help the way I feel. I’m just not sure.

And Roger is thinking: They’ll probably say it’s only a 90-day warranty. That’s exactly what they’re gonna say, the scumballs.

And Elaine is thinking: Maybe I’m just too idealistic, waiting for a knight to come riding up on his white horse, when I’m sitting right next to a perfectly good person, a person I enjoy being with, a person I truly do care about, a person who seems to truly care about me. A person who is in pain because of my self-centered, schoolgirl romantic fantasy.

And Roger is thinking: Warranty? They want a warranty? I’ll give them a goddamn warranty. I’ll take their warranty and stick it right up their...

“Roger,” Elaine says aloud.

“What?” says Roger, startled.

“Please don’t torture yourself like this,” she says, her eyes beginning to brim with tears. “Maybe I should never have...Oh God, I feel so...” (She breaks down, sobbing.)

“What?” says Roger.

“I’m such a fool,” Elaine sobs. “I mean, I know there’s no knight. I really know that. It’s silly. There’s no knight, and there’s no horse.”

“There’s no horse?” says Roger.

“You think I’m a fool, don’t you?” Elaine says.

“No!” says Roger, glad to finally know the correct answer.

“It’s just that... It’s that I...I need some time,” Elaine says.

(There is a 15-second pause while Roger, thinking as fast as he can, tries to come up with a safe response. Finally he comes up with one that he thinks might work.)

“Yes,” he says.

(Elaine, deeply moved, touches his hand.) “Oh, Roger, do you really feel that way?” she says.

“What way?” says Roger.

“That way about time,” says Elaine.

“Oh,” says Roger. “Yes.”

(Elaine turns to face him and gazes deeply into his eyes, causing him to become very nervous about what she might say next, especially if it involves a horse. At last she speaks.)

“Thank you, Roger,” she says.

“Thank you,” says Roger.

Then he takes her home, and she lies on her bed, a conflicted,tortured soul, and weeps until dawn, whereas when Roger gets back to his place, he opens a bag of Doritos, turns on the TV, and immediately becomes deeply involved in a rerun of a tennis match between two Czechoslovakians he never heard of. A tiny voice in the far recesses of his mind tells him that something major was
going on back there in the car, but he is pretty sure there is no way he would ever understand what, and so he figures it’s better if he doesn’t think about it. (This is also Roger’s policy regarding world hunger. )

The next day Elaine will call her closest friend, or perhaps two of them, and they will talk about this situation for six straight hours. In painstaking detail, they will analyze everything she said and everything he said, going over it time and time again, exploring every word, expression, and gesture for nuances of
meaning, considering every possible ramification. They will continue to discuss this subject, off and on, for weeks, maybe months, never reaching any definite conclusions, but never getting bored with it, either. Meanwhile, Roger, while playing racquetball one day with a mutual friend of his and Elaine’s, will pause just before serving, frown, and say: “Norm, did Elaine ever own a horse?”


77 posted on 02/23/2011 2:10:04 PM PST by Mr. K (Job #1 is to DEFUND THE LEFT~!!!!)
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