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Illinois wants web shoppers to report, pay online sales tax
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | Mar 9, 2011 | FRANCINE KNOWLES

Posted on 03/09/2011 5:57:14 PM PST by Freedumb

If you think making purchases online means you don’t have to worry about paying the state sales tax, think again.

As the state continues to grapple with a big deficit the Illinois Department of Revenue this year has begun targeting those purchases on state tax forms and is seeking to collect.

This year, for the first time, taxpayers are being asked how much they owe in so-called “use taxes” on the Illinois 1040 tax form. The law already required taxpayers to pay the “use” tax, but it wasn’t listed on the basic form.

A use tax is a form of sales tax that applies to purchases made outside Illinois, but used in the state. The tax, which is 6.25 percent of the purchase price, applies to online purchases made from businesses that don’t have brick and mortar locations in the state and that don’t charge Illinois sales taxes, according to the Illinois Department of Revenue. That includes companies like Amazon.com, but not Barnes & Noble or Macy’s, who charge sales taxes online. The “use” tax also applies to catalog and home shopping network purchases from out-of-state companies that don’t charge sales taxes.

The state expects to collect $5 million to $6 million in such taxes this year, said department spokeswoman Susan Hofer.

For taxpayers who know how much they spent, the 1040 instruction forms include a worksheet to help calculate what is owed.

If you made such purchases but are clueless on how much you spent, the forms include a guide in estimating how much you owe, based on adjusted gross income. For individuals with income between $50,001 and $75,000, the state estimates that such purchases amounted to $608, and the estimated tax owed is $38. For those with incomes between $20,001 and $30,000, purchases are estimated at $240, and the tax owed is estimated at $15.

The state expects filers to honestly report what they owe. And if the state later finds out that you owe more, you can face penalties and interest, Hofer noted.

While the amounts aren’t much, the tax still “kind of hit people between the eyes because they didn’t expect it,” said Judi Strauss, an enrolled agent and owner of Strauss Tax Service with offices in Chicago and Downers Grove.

Taxpayers can’t leave Line 22 blank on the 1040 form, but they can put in zero if they don’t owe anything, she said.

Strauss advises consumers going forward to keep track of what they actually do buy from virtual stores online. “Look to see if the store charges sales tax,” when you check out, she said. “Keep a running total all year.”

The tax law is not new nor is it unique to Illinois, said Carol Kokinis-Graves, senior writer analyst with Riverwoods-based CCH, a provider of tax and audit services.

“In most states, the use tax was enacted at the same time the sales tax was enacted,” she said. “However many people are simply unaware of their use tax obligation and don’t pay it.”

Illinois is offering an amnesty program on the tax covering purchases made from July 1, 2004, through the end of last year.

The state isn’t alone in trying to collect. “Many states are experiencing severe budget crises,” Kokinis-Graves said. “As a result, they are aggressively looking for additional methods to collect taxes they are owed.”


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Typical Illinois DemoRAT scumbags. I'll make them a deal, I'll report all of my online purchases subject to a use tax when these bastards report all of their bribes and illegal payoffs on their 1040's.
1 posted on 03/09/2011 5:57:18 PM PST by Freedumb
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To: Freedumb

"yeah like that's gonna happen....so here I am fillin out this here tax form"...dummies

2 posted on 03/09/2011 6:00:41 PM PST by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Freedumb

Kinda have that already, at least in GA. If you make an online purchase and there is any brick-and-mortar presence in the state, the store itself assesses the sales tax.


3 posted on 03/09/2011 6:01:01 PM PST by Lazamataz (NPR is the ACORN of the media world.)
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To: Freedumb

Jenny and pals gave us this one in MI years ago. Nothing new, just another Dem gimmmie all ya got.


4 posted on 03/09/2011 6:01:05 PM PST by bog trotter
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To: Freedumb

Chicago thugs are no doubt ordering the puppet in the White house to implement similar restrictions.


5 posted on 03/09/2011 6:01:09 PM PST by allmost
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To: Freedumb
A use tax is a form of sales tax that applies to purchases made outside Illinois, but used in the state. The tax, which is 6.25 percent of the purchase price, applies to online purchases made from businesses that don’t have brick and mortar locations in the state and that don’t charge Illinois sales taxes, according to the Illinois Department of Revenue.

Aw crap. I'm wrong. These guys are going for money they have no right to go for.

God, I'm glad Illinois is dust on my shoes.

6 posted on 03/09/2011 6:03:49 PM PST by Lazamataz (NPR is the ACORN of the media world.)
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To: Freedumb

“This year, for the first time, taxpayers are being asked how much they owe in so-called “use taxes” on the Illinois 1040 tax form. “

Funny, we don’t have that form here in Texas. Ooops, I forgot, we also don’t have a state sales tax.


7 posted on 03/09/2011 6:06:32 PM PST by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
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To: BobL

Make that INCOME TAX, here in Texas.

(but even our sales tax is less than 5% on big-ticket items, like cars)


8 posted on 03/09/2011 6:10:05 PM PST by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
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To: Freedumb

The way the thing is worded it sounds like it could apply to any sort of thing you walked into a store and bought in the next state and presumably paid their sales tax for there, and then took home with you.


9 posted on 03/09/2011 6:10:31 PM PST by wendy1946
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To: BobL

We’ve had use taxes in California for years.


10 posted on 03/09/2011 6:11:38 PM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Freedumb

The only regret I have about quitting smoking in August 2008, is that I can no longer screw Illinois out of taxes by buying all my cigarettes in Missouri.


11 posted on 03/09/2011 6:15:04 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Of course Obama loves his country. The thing is, Sarah loves mine.)
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To: Freedumb
They've had this question on West Virginia's tax return for years. The amount that is actually paid is on the low end between slim and none. I believe that the first year it was on the form, only $80,000 was collected. It has been such a failure that they don't even push it anymore. The first couple years, they put out ads and pamphlets saying taxpayers were resonsible for keeping records and reporting use tax on all internet and mail order purchases from out of state.

Lets just say, like most West Virginians I've never paid a cent. Did I owe any? I plead the fifth! (now I'm heading over to ebay and Amazon.com)...

12 posted on 03/09/2011 6:15:41 PM PST by apillar
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To: Freedumb
So does Illinois provide services for those businesses outside of Illinois? don't be silly, no. Illinois public employees are running a protection racket. The protection is for their compensation. The middle-class needs to rise up, demonstrably.
13 posted on 03/09/2011 6:30:26 PM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The meek shall not inherit the Earth)
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To: Persevero

“We’ve had use taxes in California for years.”

And here in Texas too. But the difference is that we don’t have to “report” our income and state taxes paid to Austin. What’s going on now in high-tax states, like California is an extra line on their 540 Form (in their case), that reads like the following:

“Use Tax: 25 Use tax. This is not a total line. See instructions, page 8 . . 25”

Then you sign the form under penalty of perjury. In non-income tax states people can (legitimately) plead ignorance...in California, you better not get caught, because they have your signature.


14 posted on 03/09/2011 6:42:45 PM PST by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
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To: Lazamataz
Same in Kansas. That's why I buy used books from out of state vendors. No tax charged or paid and to hell with the Kansas dept of revenue.

The vendor I like best is somewhere in the west and they employ people with mild mental disabilities to package and ship the books I order. I think it is a win win situation for everyone and the state can't waste the tax income like they do everything else.

15 posted on 03/09/2011 6:45:29 PM PST by Sunshine Sister
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Use tax is an unconstitutional tarif.


16 posted on 03/09/2011 6:49:33 PM PST by webboy45
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To: webboy45

That is a very interesting argument that I had not heard made before. Has anyone had any success with it?


17 posted on 03/09/2011 6:55:37 PM PST by Defiant (The One must become the "One and Done".)
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To: Freedumb
Typical Illinois DemoRAT scumbags. I'll make them a deal, I'll report all of my online purchases subject to a use tax when these bastards report all of their bribes and illegal payoffs on their 1040's.

I didn't think conservatives were of the opinion that is is OK to break the law, so long as someone else is breaking the law.

18 posted on 03/09/2011 7:16:22 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Doogle
"yeah like that's gonna happen....so here I am fillin out this here tax form"...dummies

Well, we know that some democrats are tax cheats that refuse to pay their share; but most americans do what is legally required. The problem here was that people didn't know they were legally required to pay these taxes.

The state is making a good move by bringing it front and center, so that the citizens who follow the law aren't being burdened by higher taxes because of others who, by ignorance or law-breaking, haven't been paying their legally required taxes.

19 posted on 03/09/2011 7:18:31 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Graybeard58
Even though you quit (congratulations!), you can still pick up smokes for your friends when you go over to MO for gas.

Don't know which feels better . . . helping a friend or screwing Springfield.

20 posted on 03/09/2011 7:40:35 PM PST by Boojum
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To: Freedumb

On top of raising their income tax by 67%? What a state!!!!!!


21 posted on 03/09/2011 7:42:34 PM PST by catfish1957 (Hey algore...You'll have to pry the steering wheel of my 317 HP V8 truck from my cold dead hands)
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To: BobL
As you noted later, you do have sales tax.

Further, you do have the use tax. You are required by law to pay tax on purchases when the business does not collect the sales tax at the point of purchase.

That includes all internet sales. Texas calls this the "Occasional Use Tax". BTW, Your sales tax is 6.25%, plus you have local sales taxes.

And the "occasional use tax" isn't just for out-of-state purchases. If you live in part of Texas with a higher local sales tax, and buy something from another part of the state and they only collect the state sales tax, you are required to file the occasional use tax form to make up the difference. Texas Occasional Use Tax:

Furthermore, assume you live in Houston and buy an item for $200 from a seller in a part of Texas with no local taxes. The seller only charges state sales tax of $12.50, or 6.25 percent. Since the correct tax rate in Houston is 8.25 percent, you owe additional use tax of $4.00.
Your state is one of the middle ones for filing annoyance -- you have to file only once a year, BUT it is supposed to be filed by January 20 of the following year. Virginia lets us wait until May 1st, when our income tax is due.

You probably didn't know that you have been breaking the law for all these years. But now that you know, I'm sure you'll do the right thing, as annoying as it is. Then you'll want to make sure everybody else does as well, because there's nothing as bad as paying your fair share of taxes knowing that other people are cheating and not paying.

22 posted on 03/09/2011 7:46:48 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: apillar
Lets just say, like most West Virginians I've never paid a cent. Did I owe any? I plead the fifth! (now I'm heading over to ebay and Amazon.com)...

Actually, I think you just pled yourself as a law-breaker, a tax cheat, and someone who thinks that other citizens of your state should have to pay for your free-loading.

Not much different than what conservatives usually attack liberals for.

23 posted on 03/09/2011 7:48:50 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT

“You probably didn’t know that you have been breaking the law for all these years...”

You must have me confused, I don’t buy stuff on the Internet.


24 posted on 03/09/2011 7:57:21 PM PST by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
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To: Sunshine Sister
Same in Kansas. That's why I buy used books from out of state vendors. No tax charged or paid and to hell with the Kansas dept of revenue.

Most conservatives aren't so adamant about being crooks, tax cheats, and free-loaders. I guess you just think your neighbor should have to pay your taxes for you.

Kansas Sale Tax and Compensating Use Tax:

Since 1937 Kansas has imposed a compensating use tax on goods and merchandise purchased from outside Kansas and used, stored or consumed in Kansas. Its purpose is to protect Kansas retailers from unfair competition from out-of-state retailers who sell goods tax-free by applying a tax on these items equal to the Kansas rate. It also helps to assure fairness to Kansans who purchase the same items in Kansas and pay the Kansas sales.

Individuals and businesses buying items from retailers in other states may be subject to Kansas use tax on those purchases. The use tax applies to the total cost of the merchandise, including postage, shipping, handling or transportation charges. The use tax rate is the same as the combined state and local sales tax rate in effect where the buyer takes delivery in Kansas. For individuals, this is usually our home.

If you don't like your state taxes, don't be like liberals and simply whine and refuse to go along with what the elected government decides; call your representative and ask them to change the law. Otherwise, you are just another tax cheat.

To pay the Kansas use tax on your untaxed out-of-state purchases made during calendar year 2010, refer to the instructions for line 18 of Form K-40 on page 10. You may either use the chart, or compute the tax due by applying the state and local tax rate in effect for your address to the total purchases subject to the tax.
"K-40" is of course your income tax form: Kansas Individual Income Tax Form

The Use Tax is on line 18. Thats a a little ways up from the signature, where you sign under penalty of perjury that you have accurately reported all taxes due.

If you are buying things out of state without paying tax, and saying you owe zero dollars in use taxes, and signing your tax form, you are lying under oath. I'm pretty sure most conservatives frown upon people lying and tax-cheating.

25 posted on 03/09/2011 8:04:29 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Defiant; webboy45

I’ve seen it before, and no, nobody has successfully used it, because it is not a valid argument.

Use Tax is not a tariff; it is the sales tax for when the tax isn’t collected by the business selling the item, so it’s the same tax a person owes whether they buy from inside or outside the state. That clearly is not a tariff, which would be a tax applied only to items purchased out-of-state.

Note that in many cases, sales tax is collected on out-of-state purchases; it’s only when you buy from companies with no business in your state that the business doesn’t collect the sales tax, and therefore you have to calculated it and pay it on your own.

I believe every state with sales tax includes sales tax on untaxed purchases, either on income tax forms, or separate forms that must be filed. Some annually, some quarterly, some monthly.

As more people buy from Amazon, states are realising how unfair it is to let so many people cheat on their taxes —it increases the tax burden on law-abiding citizens. So they are stepping up finally and cracking down on the tax cheats living off the hard work of their neighbors.


26 posted on 03/09/2011 8:09:04 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT; Sunshine Sister

Still peddling your Shillery I see!

Use taxes on out of state purchases are unlawful extortion of a tax on interstate commerce.

Any other POV is pure socialist posturing.


27 posted on 03/09/2011 8:09:39 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Going 'EGYPT' - 2012!)
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To: BobL

And it is possible that you’ve never bought anything in part of the state with a lower sales tax than your local tax — but I bet you didn’t know that, if you did, you’d have to pay the use tax on the difference.


28 posted on 03/09/2011 8:18:02 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT

I probably did that. I’ve been out of state a lot, and obviously, eat out when traveling.

So you got me there.


29 posted on 03/09/2011 8:23:49 PM PST by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
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To: editor-surveyor

Unless you can cite a single court case to back up your assertion, or even a nice law review article written by someone who actually knows something, your assertion is simply your unsupported opinion.

On my side, I have the knowledge that this tax has been implemented by 45 states, some since the 1930s, and nobody has EVER been able to successfully make the argument you insist is correct.

Of course, this is because your statement of the facts is incorrect — the use tax is NOT a tax on interstate commerce. It is part of the sales tax, which is a tax on the citizens of a state based on their ability to buy things, from WHATEVER source they buy them.

If you buy something out of state, and use it out of state, you won’t owe a tax. You owe a tax on things you buy that end up in your house. Makes no difference where they came from, and there is no difference between goods bought in and out of state, and therefore it is not a tax based on “interstate commerce”.

Relevant Constitutional quote: “No State shall, without the Consent of the Congress, lay any Imposts or Duties on Imports or Exports,”

Interesting oddity of the constitution in a similar circumstance: “The transportation or importation into any State, Territory, or possession of the United States for delivery or use therein of intoxicating liquors, in violation of the laws thereof, is hereby prohibited.”

In repealing the ban on alchohol, the amendment set up liquor as the one item that a state has absolute power to control as an import, and the federal government can’t do anything about it. So states can ban companies outside the state from importing alcohol, giving their local manufacturers a monopoly in the state.

And if a resident of a state drives alcohol over state lines in violation of a state law, they are commiting a “constitutional crime”. Note that the amendment doesn’t prohibit writing a LAW, it prohibits an ACTION, without limiting who is prohibited from that action. A rather sloppy wording.

Anyway, you should report your out-of-state purchases to your state, and refuse to pay, and see how that constitutional interpretation of yours works out.


30 posted on 03/09/2011 8:31:46 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: BobL

I’m not a lawyer, but I believe that purchasing food for consumption while on travel would NOT be subject to the “use tax”, which is a tax on things that you use in your “home”, and not on things you “use” while away. So if you bought a tube of toothpaste and used it on a trip, it wouldn’t be subject to the use tax, but if you brought it home and used it, then it would.

I’m glad my state doesn’t have local sales taxes; our sales tax is somewhat low. I also like income taxes as part of the mix; it’s good to have different types of taxes, helps the state plan better for revenue. Our state has to balance it’s budget (we have a rainy-day fund to help out).


31 posted on 03/09/2011 8:35:00 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Freedumb

They must be joking. How many people hold onto their online receipts? No one is going to report those expenses and unless the state gets it from online retailers, good luck with collecting on the tax.


32 posted on 03/10/2011 2:51:43 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

If you don’t live in Kansas don’t be to critical. The waste of tax dollars is just horrendous. I am tired of paying the freight to gift the freeloaders in this state. You know those folks who don’t have money to feed their kids but they have money to buy cigarettes and beer. I’m sick and tired of being the golden goose for them!


33 posted on 03/10/2011 6:52:29 PM PST by Sunshine Sister
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Oh and by the way. I pay taxes on "legitimate" income I have in Kansas which isn't much since I'm one of those golden goosers (baby boomers) who are no longer gainfully employed in this state. Retirement is good and to bad so sad for the state.

I may buy one or two books a year from an out of state vendor. How much do you think I'm cheating the state of? Maybe a couple of dollars? Your holier than thou facade is unbecoming!

34 posted on 03/10/2011 7:06:05 PM PST by Sunshine Sister
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Are you by any chance a tax guy for a state? We have those people here and it is the national pastime to flummox them and win!


35 posted on 03/10/2011 7:11:18 PM PST by Sunshine Sister
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To: CharlesWayneCT

LOL. Tax cheats? You mean like our Revolutionary Founders, those naughty smugglers!


36 posted on 03/10/2011 7:27:49 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: goldstategop
unless the state gets it from online retailers, good luck with collecting on the tax.
Is that the only way they can find out? What about credit cards?
37 posted on 03/10/2011 7:34:40 PM PST by Krankor (And he's oh, so good, And he's oh, so fine, And he's oh, so healthy, In his body and his mind)
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To: Lazamataz

This one is new. The bill targets Amazon and other big-name sites, by making them charge tax is they have any AFFILIATED SELLERS have a brick-and-mortar presence in the state.


38 posted on 03/10/2011 7:44:30 PM PST by MortMan (What disease did cured ham used to have?)
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To: Freedumb
This year, for the first time, taxpayers are being asked how much they owe in so-called “use taxes” on the Illinois 1040 tax form. The law already required taxpayers to pay the “use” tax, but it wasn’t listed on the basic form.

Illinois' "use tax" was ruled unconstitutional back in the early 1990's and has never been resurrected. If they try hoodwinking the public, I'm fairly certain this will end up in court again ....

As for me I buy EVERYTHING except food and medication online to avoid the sales tax here in Illinois. Good luck collecting that Un-Constitutional "use tax" from me. Idiots.

39 posted on 03/10/2011 7:54:50 PM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Lazamataz
Only the thing is, you think about it, they’re being *very* sneaky here. Consider the so called “amnesty” (ironic for a state overrun with illegals and their offspring because of liberal sanctuary policies) they're offering for a limited time only.

Oh, but not on the tax you supposedly owe going back seven years (IOW the statute of limitations), but merely on penalties and interest. Which means these corrupt blood suckers have evry intention of collecting every dime applicable to the years and if you have no receipts, be no doubt happy to apply the standard .006 to your income gross covering those years, and bill you for it, whether you in fact owe that amount or not!

That is to say, putting any figure on line 22 is tantemount to an admission that you do in fact owe the tax, and very likely owe even more going back to 2004!
So, even if you think you're off the hook by handing over the demanded extortion by the most notoriously corrupt state in the union?

You do that? And you can expect to hear from them again about the previous six years.

40 posted on 03/12/2011 6:17:46 PM PST by lewarcher
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To: usconservative
They’re fishing for suckers, hoping to get a bite.

If this weren't the most notorious gang of crooks scoundrels and hypocrites on the planet, the state being broke from lefty policies corruption and mismanagement (redundant, I know) they might appeal on the grounds of need the way any beggar with a modicum of legitimacy and self respect might.

But no, these rats feel they must resort to the old familiar bullying shakedown tactics of cheating subterfuge and lying knife in the back deceit.

41 posted on 03/12/2011 6:19:04 PM PST by lewarcher
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To: BobL
“This year, for the first time, taxpayers are being asked how much they owe in so-called “use taxes” on the Illinois 1040 tax form. “ Funny, we don’t have that form here in Texas. Ooops, I forgot, we also don’t have a state sales tax.

Most states, including Texas, do require online shoppers to pay Use Taxes.

42 posted on 03/12/2011 6:23:11 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Actually, I think you just pled yourself as a law-breaker, a tax cheat, and someone who thinks that other citizens of your state should have to pay for your free-loading.

Not much different than what conservatives usually attack liberals for.


And your advice to the boston tea party?


43 posted on 03/12/2011 6:33:05 PM PST by PeterPrinciple ( getting closer to the truth.................)
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To: lewarcher

Illinois is one of the 5 worst states in the Union.


44 posted on 03/12/2011 7:32:22 PM PST by Lazamataz (NPR is the ACORN of the media world.)
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To: PeterPrinciple

Nice.........


45 posted on 03/12/2011 7:56:47 PM PST by moehoward
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To: PeterPrinciple

I hardly think your decision not to pay your sales/use tax is like the boston tea party (where they took goods and threw them in the water, not where they secretly avoided paying taxes on those goods).


46 posted on 03/13/2011 12:23:52 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT
I hardly think your decision not to pay your sales/use tax is like the boston tea party (where they took goods and threw them in the water, not where they secretly avoided paying taxes on those goods).


I will remind you that you are guilty of several laws before you get of out bed this morning. Why have you not submitted your life to following all these laws. Do you realize the burden of this tax for recording keeping? Do you have the 10-40hours a year to make sure you follow this law?

In and of it self it may not be a big deal but each one of these taxes and laws is a straw. The story of the straw that broke the camels back is getting real, the same as for our founders. The tea tax was a straw, but it was the final straw.

Revolutions begin small. First they are private rebellions and then they become open. Would your really believe that throwing the tea in the water was the first step? Like you I am an honest person, and I struggle with this issue. The enemy knows we are law abiding and uses it against us.

Will you be law abiding right up to the point where they take everything from you? When does your revolution begin?

47 posted on 03/13/2011 7:52:15 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple ( getting closer to the truth.................)
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To: PeterPrinciple
Do you realize the burden of this tax for recording keeping? Do you have the 10-40hours a year to make sure you follow this law?

Oddly, that is my argument for why we need to fix it so the sales tax is collected by the companies -- because that is why the burden falls on every individual. A vast majority of the companies already have a process to collect and remit sales tax, at least to ONE state, so if we simply had a central software system where every state's sales tax was kept, it would take very little effort to upgrade online sales programs to use it.

Amazon already has the ability to collect sales tax for virtually all the states, because it's software front sells products from companies like Target and others which have presence in most states.

I will remind you that you are guilty of several laws before you get of out bed this morning.

I doubt most of us are breaking laws while we sleep; but clearly we all break laws, just as we all break the commandments of God. The question is whether we do so deliberately.

If you want to rebel against the "use tax", I think that's great. But please, actually DO the rebelling. If people spoke up about their refusal, we could get the laws changed. It's all the people who keep silent, and surreptitiously break the law without notice, that do little to solve the problem.

IN fact, my goal in these threads is two-fold; first, to let honest people know that they are breaking the law, so those honest, moral, upright people can correct their error. And second, to get those same people mad enough to actually DO something about it.

48 posted on 03/13/2011 8:14:58 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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let honest people know that they are breaking the law, so those honest, moral, upright people can correct their error

You're confusing the law with morality. They are not one and the same.

49 posted on 03/13/2011 8:28:23 AM PDT by thesharkboy (<-- looking for the silver lining)
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Just wow,

Making it easy to collect taxes is your goal? The costs of these taxes should be in our face! You shouldn't have withholding on your income tax, you should write the check. Note this one is in our face and no pays it because it finally is real. I wish more taxes were like this.

You want to shift the collection costs over to Amazon? Why should they pay the cost?

I attended a city council meeting regarding building codes and the first thing out of the mayors mouth was, “I don't care about you and I don't care about your problems......” This is what most of politicians think of us. I am NOT going to feed the beast that is going to take everything away from me. Go ahead if you want. I have vowed to buy as much as I can outside of this city so I don't pay local sales tax. I am going to stop making improvements because all they do is tax me on it.

As I asked, when does your revolution begin? Did playing nice with King George get them anywhere? I'm sure you are a nice guy but I would not go into battle with you.............

50 posted on 03/13/2011 11:16:39 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple ( getting closer to the truth.................)
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