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Military pay would stop with a government shutdown
The Federal Computer Week ^ | Mar 14, 2011 | FCW staff

Posted on 03/14/2011 8:56:22 PM PDT by ScubieNuc

According to draft guidance circulating around the Defense Department, military personnel would be required to work without pay if the government shuts down, reports the Air Force Times.

That differs from the 1995 shutdown when U.S. troops reported to work and were paid, the article states. But the 13-page contingency plan, in which DOD highlighted which parts of the military would continue to operate if the government shuts down, states that this time the military would miss a payday if a shutdown continued through April 1.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: army; govshutdown; govtshutdown; military; militarypay; pay; shutdown
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1 posted on 03/14/2011 8:56:24 PM PDT by ScubieNuc
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....but you illegals you will get your section 8, food stamps and free healthcare. You druggies will get your free methadone and yeah, you welfare mom’s not to worry, you will get your cable, free cell phones

But you military idiots that put your life on the line for liberty-————SCREW YOU!


2 posted on 03/14/2011 9:04:30 PM PDT by notaliberal
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To: ScubieNuc

He’s now going to pizz off the military; he has no idea how ridiculously lucky he is that the US Military never acts as a political force in it’s own right.


3 posted on 03/14/2011 9:04:49 PM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: ScubieNuc
the military would miss a payday if a shutdown continued through April 1.

If anybody but Obama were president, I would have thought this to simply be an April Fool's Joke.

4 posted on 03/14/2011 9:06:26 PM PDT by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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To: ScubieNuc

Isn’t that how the Soviets started to lose Eastern Europe? I thought I remembered seeing unpaid Soviet soldiers leaving their post and returning to the USSR.


5 posted on 03/14/2011 9:06:43 PM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: ScubieNuc

More hyperboyle from the left.


6 posted on 03/14/2011 9:07:39 PM PDT by MaxMax
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To: ScubieNuc

Soldiers,
just open Fort Knox and distribute evenly :)


7 posted on 03/14/2011 9:08:01 PM PDT by mewykwistmas
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To: tsowellfan

They simply wont take order from the Golfer in Chief. My cousin serves in Sokor and 90% of everyone he serves with hates Odumbo’s guts.


8 posted on 03/14/2011 9:10:46 PM PDT by max americana
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To: ScubieNuc

YGTBSM!

This is so stupid, it has to be a preemptive strike against the concept of selective shut down. Lord forbid we shut down part of the government (everyone can pick their favorite) and then - gasp- get used to doing for ourselves.

spent 20 years in the army and remember the last shutdown. This is ridiculous.


9 posted on 03/14/2011 9:10:57 PM PDT by redlegplanner ( No Representation without Taxation)
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To: ScubieNuc
I really don't think so.
I think this is another scare tactic from the Administration and the Democrat party. Or maybe from some bureaucrats in Washington. But we will see.
10 posted on 03/14/2011 9:12:00 PM PDT by Tupelo (The Boudicca from Wasilla supporter)
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To: ScubieNuc

I don’t think so. The only things that will discountiue will be discretionary. The military spending and even social security spending will continue.


11 posted on 03/14/2011 9:13:15 PM PDT by RedMDer (restoration of our honor, dignity, and freedoms will save America. - Sarah Palin)
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To: ScubieNuc

So, my son, who is about to deplay to Afghanistan, leaving his pregnant wife and twin sons behind, will not be receiving any pay so that his family can buy food and pay bills? Why would anyone want to follow orders in our military with these clowns running things?


12 posted on 03/14/2011 9:13:22 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier preparing to deploy to Afghanistan)
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To: ScubieNuc

Let me get this straight:

Social Security checks go out on schedule

Lawmaker’s checks go out on schedule

Disability Checks go out on schedule.

Pretty much everybody gets paid, even in a “shutdown”... except for the one group in our government that are serving to protect us - even with their own lives.

How come the military are among the FIRST to lose their pay? They should be among the VERY LAST to miss a paycheck.


13 posted on 03/14/2011 9:15:59 PM PDT by TheBattman (They exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature...)
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To: ScubieNuc

I’ll bet Congress still gets paid.


14 posted on 03/14/2011 9:16:09 PM PDT by americanophile ("this absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, is a rotting corpse which poisons our lives"-Ataturk)
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To: SoldierDad

Wow. Thanks for your son’s service. Don’t know what to say except sorry for the fact that so many of my fellow Americans are such turd-balls to do such a thing to him and your daughter in law.


15 posted on 03/14/2011 9:16:19 PM PDT by PhilosopherStone1000
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To: max americana

They may be serving a “president” born in Kenya


16 posted on 03/14/2011 9:16:47 PM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: ScubieNuc

Consider the distinction between the 1995 shutdown and what is now threatened, together with the way the DOD dismissed P.J. and is treating suspect Private Manning - which one day could be any of us.

It seems safe to conclude the DOD, as with many top government departments, has any number of anti-American political operatives directing policy.


17 posted on 03/14/2011 9:17:06 PM PDT by frog in a pot (We need a working definition of "domestic enemies" if the oath of office is to have meaning.)
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To: ScubieNuc

Now we see how they got it fixed to put the Military against us.

OK, lets have at it.


18 posted on 03/14/2011 9:17:13 PM PDT by crz
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To: notaliberal
....but you illegals you will get your section 8, food stamps and free healthcare. You druggies will get your free methadone and yeah, you welfare mom’s not to worry, you will get your cable, free cell phones But you military idiots that put your life on the line for liberty-————SCREW YOU!

We have a winner! It's nothing but a scare tactic.

19 posted on 03/14/2011 9:21:54 PM PDT by bgill (Kenyan Parliament - how could a man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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To: ScubieNuc
"According to draft guidance circulating around the Defense Department"

Total and complete BS promulgated by the White House.

LIES LIES LIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

20 posted on 03/14/2011 9:29:13 PM PDT by Mariner (USS Tarawa, VQ3, USS Benjamin Stoddert, NAVCAMS WestPac, 7th Fleet, Navcommsta Puget Sound)
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To: ScubieNuc

The Military would be paid out of federal revenues received
each month.


21 posted on 03/14/2011 9:32:34 PM PDT by upcountryhorseman (An old fashioned conservative)
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To: tsowellfan

Yup. A Kenyan Klown.


22 posted on 03/14/2011 9:33:33 PM PDT by max americana
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To: PhilosopherStone1000

Thank you for the sentiment. If this does happen, I will be the first to start making phone calls and writing letters to these congress critters.


23 posted on 03/14/2011 9:33:41 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier preparing to deploy to Afghanistan)
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To: ScubieNuc

When I was serving in the 1980’s, when the congress and President Reagan were disagreeing about the budget, we were told that in the case of a government shutdown, we still had to report for duty and that we could still make purchases at the comissary and exchange and they would hold on to our personal checks, until our pay had caught up with us. For those living on the economy, letters were being prepared by the local commands, outlining what was happening and to try and work with military members until this situation was resolved.

Thankfully, we never missed a check.


24 posted on 03/14/2011 9:33:52 PM PDT by cgchief
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To: Mariner

http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/post?id=2688909%2C20

This is a link I found on the discussion board at the Military Times on this subject. I haven’t dug through it yet, but I think this is the proposal being talked about.


25 posted on 03/14/2011 9:36:51 PM PDT by Marie (Obama seems to think that Jerusalem has been the capital of Israel since Camp David, not King David)
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To: TheBattman

Liberal mind always goes after what you want most when they seek to blackmail.


26 posted on 03/14/2011 9:40:57 PM PDT by pacpam (action=consequence and applies in all cases - friend of victory)
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To: cgchief

I wonder how they would do it now. The checks come out immediately like an electronic transfer the moment they enter it at the register. Actually my husband told me that the executive branch makes a contingency plan. It it up to our President who gets paid in the event of a shutdown.


27 posted on 03/14/2011 9:41:34 PM PDT by republicangel
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To: ScubieNuc
Not if the House votes to fund the DoD on a partial. Then it's the Democrats who will refuse to pass it, or Obama who refuses to sign it.

As it is, "the budget" is never passed in a single bill, it usually is broken up into a half-dozen chunks. It'sjust that in the past,those separate bills were(usually) voted on before the fiscal year began.

28 posted on 03/14/2011 9:43:59 PM PDT by cookcounty (So did Barack Obama secretly write Bill Ayers' books? Or,............)
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To: Mariner

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL34680.pdf

Let’s try that again...


29 posted on 03/14/2011 9:44:32 PM PDT by Marie (Obama seems to think that Jerusalem has been the capital of Israel since Camp David, not King David)
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To: ScubieNuc
This is the usual liberal panic ploy:

Budget Cuts! Police and Fire Hardest Hit!

The sad part is that the "journalists" will gladly be their patsy.

30 posted on 03/14/2011 9:48:20 PM PDT by cookcounty (So did Barack Obama secretly write Bill Ayers' books? Or,............)
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To: ScubieNuc

Looks like they will do everything they can to make it as painful as possible during a shutdown.

Liberal Big Government 101 — They play this game in all the blue states.


31 posted on 03/14/2011 9:50:32 PM PDT by dila813
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To: All
1. Important Lesson from 1995 Budget / Fed. Govt. Shutdown
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      ...This is not a war between the rich and the poor.
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1. Important Lesson from 1995 Budget / Fed. Govt. Shutdown - by Richard Kimball - Post #7

I remember an article after the last shutdown. It was one of the best articles I've ever read, and was about the politics of the shut down, from the perspective of a (fairly) young journalist. Among other things, he noted, the Republicans talk to us like it's a board meeting, like we're the enemy or one of their employees. The Democrats are salespeople. They throw us the spin, but in a self-depreciating way. Sometimes, when they say something, they grin a little, because they know it's BS, and they know we know it's BS, but they're always trying to make the sale.

The final line was the most telling, and this one I remember almost verbatim: "At 2 AM, Congress adjourned, no deal in sight. The Republicans went home, and the Democrats went to the fax machines." The Rats won the budget battle after they lost the budget battle because they understood that you have to win the battle for public perception AFTER the fact.


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32 posted on 03/14/2011 9:50:47 PM PDT by Golden Gate
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How will we know that the government is shut down if everyone keeps getting paid?

If the government shuts down because there is no money left and no authority to borrow, then there is no money left. How can anyone be paid anything if there is really no money left?

33 posted on 03/14/2011 9:51:56 PM PDT by Walts Ice Pick
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To: ScubieNuc

The Kenyan in Chief remembers from his sophomore history class that this is the single biggest mistake great empires make that ultimately bring them down, and so, naturally, wants to try it out on America.


34 posted on 03/14/2011 9:56:58 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: ScubieNuc
According to draft guidance circulating around the Defense Department...

Agitprop.

"Draft guidance?"

That means it has no force of law.

Some genius in a meeting suggested that they could circulate a memo to the military, call it a "draft" memo just to put the idea out there, and then leak to the press that a "memo" (subliminally draft) was sent to the military stopping pay to the soldiers.

Agitprop...

The plan is to get people riled up about the story now, and then bury the clarification later.

-PJ

35 posted on 03/14/2011 9:57:12 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (In a democracy, you negotiate from the floor of the legislature, not from hideouts and bullhorns.)
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To: ScubieNuc

Commie angle now in play. Accept our will to bankrupt America, or we will not pay ‘your’ military personnel.

Go ahead commies. Try it. Just try it. Light the fuse. Set it off. Just remember, careful what you wish for.


36 posted on 03/14/2011 10:02:28 PM PDT by takenoprisoner (Repeal the 16th amendment . Send Islam packing to their homeland.)
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To: ScubieNuc

Politicians pay should stop with a government shutdown...they’d straighten up soon enough then.


37 posted on 03/14/2011 10:10:36 PM PDT by caww
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To: ScubieNuc

Left wing lies.


38 posted on 03/14/2011 10:17:22 PM PDT by Fledermaus (As long as John Boehner is Speaker, conservatives are screwed. He's a coward and a crybaby.)
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To: Political Junkie Too
Agitprop. "Draft guidance?" That means it has no force of law.

Concept "force of law" seems to escape this crew.

39 posted on 03/14/2011 10:26:57 PM PDT by Lazamataz (NPR is the ACORN of the media world.)
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To: TheBattman

How come the military are among the FIRST to lose their pay? They should be among the VERY LAST to miss a paycheck.
_____________________________________________

And the military hospitals and the veteran hospitals will be the first to shut down...

The ERs in California will still keep on to service the illegal aliens...


40 posted on 03/14/2011 10:28:36 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: frog in a pot

PJ Crowley was a State Dept employee. I’ll ignore the Manning stuff other than to say that he is probably being treated just fine. I would not believe what the media and his lawyer say about it.


41 posted on 03/14/2011 10:42:19 PM PDT by PghBaldy (Like the Ft Hood Killer, James Earl Ray was just stressed when he killed MLK Jr.)
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To: TheBattman

The military is always the first to forfit a COLA when the Civil Service still gets it, and any pay raises are always less than the Civil Service as well.
I do not trust this govt..the govt broke treaties with the Indians ( Native Americans as they are called nowadays) and they did with the military over health care until Col Day pressed the issuse and got it reinstated.

It is always screw the military, but suck up to us and tell us how great we are the rest of the time. Talk is cheap.


42 posted on 03/14/2011 11:13:08 PM PDT by celtic gal
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To: ScubieNuc

Not true!


43 posted on 03/14/2011 11:14:51 PM PDT by tallyhoe
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To: cgchief
When I was serving in the 1980’s, when the congress and President Reagan were disagreeing about the budget, we were told that in the case of a government shutdown, we still had to report for duty and that we could still make purchases at the commissary and exchange and they would hold on to our personal checks, until our pay had caught up with us. For those living on the economy, letters were being prepared by the local commands, outlining what was happening and to try and work with military members until this situation was resolved.

I remember that one. The base Credit Union and local banks announced interest free loans to members who needed cash and the Red Cross did likewise.

The DAB was passed and we didn't have to use it but people were getting nervous.

44 posted on 03/14/2011 11:34:05 PM PDT by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: ScubieNuc
I call BS on this. I think the left is taking something way out of proportion and attempting to intimidate the GOP Congress.

Let us all not forget that the Army/Air/Navy...etc. Times papers are a Gannett product.
45 posted on 03/14/2011 11:37:59 PM PDT by papasmurf (War is hell, but not the worst hell. Having a PRES__ENT comes close!)
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To: ScubieNuc

I have no idea if this is a scare tactic or not, but I talked to a soldier a couple of hours ago and he said they were indeed told they would be expected to work without pay if something was not in place by Friday.


46 posted on 03/14/2011 11:45:32 PM PDT by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: ScubieNuc

BS.

The Senate, The Congress and Immigrant would receive their checks.

The government was shut down before and the military got their pay but they are now in cahoots with Barry and will authorize the with holding?

I’m gonna go on vacation when they do...


47 posted on 03/14/2011 11:57:18 PM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: Tupelo

Scare tactic!


48 posted on 03/15/2011 12:10:04 AM PDT by Roklok
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To: Marie; Mariner

Your link took me to a reply page to Mariner. ;o)

I would appreciate it if you would try again. It sounds like a very good link and something I would like to read.


49 posted on 03/15/2011 12:12:43 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 ("First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." - Gandhi)
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To: Marie

Thank you! Ask and ye shall receive...even before you ask! ;o)


50 posted on 03/15/2011 12:14:25 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 ("First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." - Gandhi)
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