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New Fire breaks out at Japan Fukushima Daiichi No.4 reactor
Reuters | 03/15/2011 | Reuters

Posted on 03/15/2011 3:09:28 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour

Fire breaks out at Japan Fukushima Daiichi No.4 reactor: NHK quotes Tokyo Electric Power

http://live.reuters.com/Event/Japan_earthquake2

FLASH: Fire breaks out at Japan Fukushima Daiichi No. 4 reactor -NHK quotes Tokyo Electric Power http://bit.ly/exf0jw

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TOPICS: Breaking News
KEYWORDS: daiichi; fukushima; japan; meltdown; nuclear; nuclearpower
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To: Larry Lucido; All
My knowledge of fires is limited to brush fires, house, bldg fires. Why isn't there enough water to put these fires out? Is it because they are coming from the core and aren't not flames initially?

For anyone who knows.

81 posted on 03/15/2011 4:22:22 PM PDT by floriduh voter (People who don't pray: start.. People who pray: pray more.)
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To: de.rm
Gee, I don't know , wouldn't it be a good idea to require a large body of water somewhere uphill as a back up in case of no power, need water situation?

Or a low tech faucet or two or 50?

82 posted on 03/15/2011 4:23:37 PM PDT by GOPJ (http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/index2.php - It's only uncivil when someone on the right does it.- Laz)
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To: floriduh voter

My limited understanding at this point is that there is too much contamination to get close, and there’s only a hole in the roof to allow water in.


83 posted on 03/15/2011 4:24:05 PM PDT by glock rocks (I am Dyslexis of Borg. Your ass will be laminated.)
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To: glock rocks

I am speaking of the pool containing the spent fuel rods.


84 posted on 03/15/2011 4:24:30 PM PDT by winoneforthegipper ("If you can't ride two horses at once, you probably shouldn't be in the circus" - SP)
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To: winoneforthegipper

Oh. It’s open on top.


85 posted on 03/15/2011 4:28:12 PM PDT by glock rocks (I am Dyslexis of Borg. Your ass will be laminated.)
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To: winoneforthegipper

I hadn’t seen the Zubrin article that Eva cited when I posted that. Even with potential design flaws, if he’s right then it appears they may be able to handle this.


86 posted on 03/15/2011 4:28:23 PM PDT by Qbert ("I seem to smell the stench of appeasement in the air" - Margaret Thatcher)
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To: glock rocks

So, they watch from a distance. A bunch of entertainers had just flown out of Japan before this happened. Michelle Malkin’s cousin is missing. A baby was found alive today.


87 posted on 03/15/2011 4:28:31 PM PDT by floriduh voter (People who don't pray: start.. People who pray: pray more.)
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To: GOPJ
..or an auto deployed nitrogen foam application, etc..

There are a gabillion ways to make dangerous things safe, these people are just not creative considering the consequences.

GE should be made culpable.

They sold a pig in a poke to any bloke with a bag of cash, for shame, for shame.

88 posted on 03/15/2011 4:28:41 PM PDT by de.rm (Better mad with the rest of the world than wise alone.)
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To: floriduh voter
Why isn't there enough water to put these fires out? Is it because they are coming from the core and aren't not flames initially?

Because of the radiation you can't get too close. You need a hose like Ron Jeremy to put these fires out safely and completely.

89 posted on 03/15/2011 4:29:54 PM PDT by library user (Just because you're homeless doesn't mean you're lazy.)
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To: library user

ewe. Jeremy was on a stupid reality show a few years ago. I tried not to watch unless nothing else was on.


90 posted on 03/15/2011 4:31:33 PM PDT by floriduh voter (People who don't pray: start.. People who pray: pray more.)
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To: glock rocks

My understanding it’s encased and not normally exposed...

I should perhaps use container instead of contaiment but it’s definetly not open to the floor of the housing structure.

The diagram QBERT posted shows that nicely.


91 posted on 03/15/2011 4:32:05 PM PDT by winoneforthegipper ("If you can't ride two horses at once, you probably shouldn't be in the circus" - SP)
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To: de.rm
They sold a pig in a poke to any bloke with a bag of cash, for shame, for shame.

Forty years ago. Did your 70's car have frontal as well as side curtain air bags and headrests and shoulder harnesses and anti-lock brakes and all weather radials and traction control and full time 4wd and... and... um...

92 posted on 03/15/2011 4:37:53 PM PDT by glock rocks (I am Dyslexis of Borg. Your ass will be laminated.)
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To: Larry Lucido
Is this the same new fire, or a different new fire?

I've lost track.

93 posted on 03/15/2011 4:40:13 PM PDT by rdl6989 (January 20, 2013- The end of an error)
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To: glock rocks

Apples & tangerines, if my car had the potential to create billion of profit for me I would go way beyond the beyond to make it safe, pennies on the dollar investment wise, GE & company are not wise, just a bunch penny pinchin dollar hoarding azzzzzzholes desperately in need of a bitchslap with a metal bat.


94 posted on 03/15/2011 4:42:21 PM PDT by de.rm (Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, 3 times is enemy action." Auric Goldfinger)
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To: library user
Fox news just said that "they didn't put the fire out yesterday" so it got worse today.

I'm getting eq/tsu/nuke fatigue. All I can do now is keep Japan and everyone over there in my thoughts and prayers.

95 posted on 03/15/2011 4:42:21 PM PDT by floriduh voter (People who don't pray: start.. People who pray: pray more.)
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To: Qbert
Without a doubt, there is zero chance of a fission reaction or even (most likely) an explosion. I don't think I read from anyone that fission was a possibility to be fair Zubrin was himself using scare tactics in painting it that way. Least from what i have seen and heard.

My concern is these incremental releases of radiation will add up and most likely increase of the next few days.

Right now the talk is that two reactors have exposed themselves, that would be plant 2 and plant 4 (though i understand the argument that plant 4’s breach is not the reactor vessel it is still potentially the most damaging of the two.

As the days go buy the reactor core melts will become less of an issue as the heat is dissipated. Reactor 4 is an more the issue.

To those that say the heat right now is nominal and poses no risk is just flat at wrong, for as we can see it does. What that leads to is in the brave hands of those that are rotating on site and to those in the war room figuring out what to do next.

96 posted on 03/15/2011 4:42:41 PM PDT by winoneforthegipper ("If you can't ride two horses at once, you probably shouldn't be in the circus" - SP)
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To: Larry Lucido

This is the new fire the 3rd in command at Al Qaeda was starting when he was killed


97 posted on 03/15/2011 4:43:06 PM PDT by woofie
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To: winoneforthegipper

just heard on NHK TV that they are trying to get water from plant #5 and plant #6 is experiencing problems? How many reactors or on site? I never heard about 5 or 6!


98 posted on 03/15/2011 4:45:57 PM PDT by freebird5850 (Of course Obama loves his country...it's just that Sarah Palin loves mine!)
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To: dinoparty
But I do know that a lot of the people saying this is not a serious problem will look awfully dumb if they are wrong

You look awfully dumb right now. There is ZERO risk to the United States. NONE. Climb out of your backyard fallout shelter, put away your Potassium Iodide tablets.

There's some potential risk to Japanese within the evacuation zone in the WORST CASE if the nuclear fuel melts through all containment. We're not there.

Yesterday's media panic-inducing 400 mSv radiation detection at the plant was less than half that required to cause nausea.

Serious problem? Let's see... 10,000 are MISSING or DEAD. Two-hundred billion in infrastructure is lost. 350,000 made homeless are facing FREEZING temperatures this week and starvation. Floods invariably bring risk of disease, refinery fires release toxins. Anyone care? Hello? Anyone?

Of course not! That's boring!

Let's stir up a Chicken Little PANIC over the continuing battle to cool reactors, let's menace the world with fear of radiation holocaust! It's NUCLEAR!

How many have been killed by the nuclear plant problem in Japan? None. I pray it stays that way but those engaged in the battle, like all first responders, are at risk. This isn't a one day battle. Expect it to take two weeks.

99 posted on 03/15/2011 4:46:57 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Obama: president until Fri, Jan. 20, 2017.)
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To: de.rm

Gosh, your 40 year old hindsight is just as clear as can be.

It is a testament to the design and construction of these things that they have heave held up as well as they have considering what they have been subjected to, which they were NOT designed to handle.

I think they are damned impressive.

The engineers should be proud.


100 posted on 03/15/2011 4:47:45 PM PDT by Nik Naym (It's not my fault... I have compulsive smartass disorder.)
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