Skip to comments.I don't support the war in Lybia (Vanity)..
Posted on 03/22/2011 5:21:03 AM PDT by JSDude1
It's not that I don't support the US military, because I do FULLY, and wish our forces in harms way (whether led by a fool or not) a safe return home.
With that being said: I DO NOT support the War in Libya.
1st we do not know our allies (or if they even are our allies..do we really know the "rebels"? What they stand for..If they are Islamists, or Western 'democrats'?? Can we controll who takes over should Quadaffi step down?
2ndly: What is our national interest in Libya? I suggest we really have no strategic (foreign policy) reason to be in Libya. We get virtually all our oil somewhere else, we do not know who's side the rebels will be on (but I can predict) in real politic terms if they come out on top, and as sad as a humanitarian tragedy war is- it really wasn't our fight to get involved with Quadaffi vs. his people.
3rd, WHAT IS OUR OBJECTIVE?? It started out as a humanitarian effort to end the slaughter of civllians, aka (to bring Quadaffi to just stop indescriminate bombing, and possbily at the most to bring him to the 'negotiating table'..), and now I hear Obama "Quadaffi 'Must Go')? Do we really have a goal, and should we really be there to ensure "Quadaffi must go"??
DO WE HAVE AN 'EXIT STRATEGY'
Fourth: Where was the Federal Constitutional authority for President Obama to direct us in another war..? No less under the authority of the U.N.
Fifthly, I will not ~give~ Obama cover to start a new war even if it does evict feelings of 'Patriotism'. I am against this for these reasons.
Please, even though Quadaffi is a bad guy, and should go, I don't think we need (or shoudld) send military force to contront him at this time!
I support your right to your beliefs. Do you oppose the war due to policy or due to its leadership?
What can we expect from Libya?
Nothing good I think.
Of course, Iraq and Afghanistan both fail by the same criteria.
I do not support the war in Libya for the reasons you stated and also I have no confidence in this administration because of its abysmal track record on just about every issue and policy.
I’m way past having to state all the obvious things you stated. Time for impeachment hearings.
I have kind of turned against Afghanistan (our mission), because there is nothing strategic there for us to hold.
However we WERE winning in Iraq when Bush left office.
against this as we’re fighting two wars, spending more money in an area which does not threaten us and have no clue what the clear end game is or what exactly are we doing there.
This has been a big screw up and if anyone supports this then they need their head testing IMHO.
I suppose the anti war crowd will be out fuming, oh wait they’re now quiet about wars, the media are spinning this and we go to war with out congress having to vote on this.
Still Michelle is having a whale of a time on her vacation.
I question the reason for the statement. By my standards there is no war.
There are some very limited and onetime military actions. There is no sustained action and there is little danger of an enemy shooting back.
A plane was lost, we don’t know why, but possibly, just old and worn out.
Clinton fired missiles into Afghanistan. Was that a war? Wasn’t it wagging the dog?
I agree with you. And just how many cilvians have been slaughtered? There are probably more being slaughtered in Iraq and Afghanistan by suicide bombers than in Libya.
You bet. I am calling my Congressman today and start calling for the removal of this usurper.
Don’t forget the old “I support the troops but not the war” or maybe you could use “Support the troops by bringing them home”. Those were popular on bumper stickers a few years back.
I support the bombing of Libya for ONE reason:
Kill Qaddafi because of the bombing of Pan-Am 103 back in the 80’s. This should have been done a long time ago.
Once he’s dead,let the UN do it’s ‘thing’.
We have NO defined MISSION in Libya. PLUS, we have a community organizer playing at CIC.
No WAY NO how.
My Against is for the whole region. We will be “wrong” no matter how these 3 Wars turn out.
Leave the Islamist to kill each other.
The very idea of a new military involvement, started and carried out by the doofus obama and his pathetic choices for an administration, scares me to death. This has great potential to go very badly.
we have no business being there.
We have no clear end game.
We are still fighting two wars and now 3.
we have no clue who these rebels are really.
this is without congress saying it is OK.
Miscommunication between allies.
WTH are we doing there spending money and risking lives?
How anyone supports this is beyond me , seems like a massive rush job to to do something because the media played the humanitarian card again like in Kosovo.
Iraq was a national interest threat which went on for years.
Afghanistan had a brutal regime and let Bin Laden stay there.
Many were opposed but now they are for Libya and were for Kosovo.
Both do not affect us in our national security, small regime where two years ago he was handing in weapons under Bush and now it;’s all gone to crap because cowboy is on vacation asking the UN for permission, ignoring congress and his own words but old whale fat arse still stays on her vacation while the world is in turmoil
The case being whatever it may be, I am with you. We have no interest putting our people in harms way over a bunch of crap eaters engaged in the usual African population control/asset distribution mechanism.
We are there because our English and French “allies” are scared $hitless that the Chicoms will move in and cut a deal to rebuild oil distribution and take “their” oil.
We have no interest in securing the oil for Europa, just returning favor to China in kind.
This is not about oil however... It is a “humanitarian” thing.
or another for the socialists ,obama lied people died
war mongerer or even end this endless war
No doubt the anti war left wing smelly layabouts will be shouting this now
Before we stepped in, it was radical muslims killing other radical muslims. My question is what’s the down side? So we should not be committing an act of against another nation unless attacked. And 30 years ago doesn’t count.
so you support this bombing because we should go after nutjob , only one problem we’re not going after him.
therefore how can anyone support this?
One bomb after the CIA target him but this crap what we’re doing is plain stupid.
No end game,
not going after him.
Have no clue who these rebels are.
Already fighting two wars, now three.
WTH are we doing there if we’re not killing him then
anyone supporting this is watching the media too much, they’;re spinning this like it;s the greatest thing obama has ever done
I support the war in Libya because of the following reasons:
1. He killed Americans by blowing up airplanes.
2. He has trained terrorists.
3. He has defied us in the past.
4. He has proven himself to be an awful tyrant.
Now that the war is on—we must kill him or if he stays in power he will have his henchmen blow more Americans out of the sky in revenge as he has in the past.
BUT: I say no to Nation Building—we Kill him and his sons and pull out—Let the Libyans solve this problem. They may be worse (that would be hard) but let them build their own nation. Let the French take a lead—I am fine with that as long as we get rid of the grim clown.
We have a war going on in Lybia????? Dang! First Libya and now Lybia!!! What a week! (just joking, but this half awake brain couldn’t resist).
Actually, I agree with you 100%. Add to this the Power Vacuum it will create. Libya has been a fairly stable country since the time of Ronaldus Magnus. Why don’t we just contribute to world instability by stirring up more trouble than there already is in that country.
I’m with you... I do not support this or any war that is started or “managed” by the F’ing marxists in the fedgov.
I support getting our troops out from under the thumb of marxists so they do not have to die for an evil cause. I would even support our troops if they turned their weapons against those very same marxists.
There are other countries that fit the reasons you give. Where do you stop?
. I am against this war because Obama violated both the Constitution and the 1973 War Powers Act when he started it. Obama has assumed the role of Military Dictator and for this he should be impeached.
Obama himself said in 2007 in a now infamous speech that Presidents do not have the Constitutional authority to do what he did. And to start this war while he was on vacation in a foreign country just makes my blood boil.
(1) The rebels have publicly stated that what they stand for is the restoration of Libya's 1952 constitution, which guarantees a parliamentary democracy. They are not calling for an Islamic dictatorship.
(2) Our national interest in Libya is that (a) Qadaffi has long been a sponsor of anti-US terrorism and could well be again when it suits him; (b) Libya is strategic because of its geography and resources and if the US does not avail itself of this strategic advantage, others will.
(3) Our objective is to help the supporters of the restoration of a constitutional government in Libya and to degrade the military capabilities of their opponents. "Exit strategy" is a buzzword for defeatists, or for fools who think that they can predict the future.
(4) The Constitution gives the executive and Senate treaty power. Our participation in the UN is in accordance with a ratified treaty. The treaty authorizes the President as Commander In Chief to act in accordance with that treaty, enforcing UN resolutions.
(5) If one's standard of morality is: "whatever Obama does is wrong and whatever is the opposite of what Obama is doing is right" then one is completely morally bankrupt. There is an absolute right and there is an absolute wrong. If President Obama, through whim or circumstance or conviction, happens to do the objectively right thing, then the only rational response is to say: "In this particular instance he is right."
Making Obama the central guidng factor of one's political or moral compass is ridiculous.
We are there because our English and French allies are scared $hitless that the Chicoms will move in and cut a deal to rebuild oil distribution and take their oil.
We have no interest in securing the oil for Europa
Fine... let’s get rid of their tyrants and ours at the same time...
Why should our tyrants get to continue to exist while others do not? I’m for consistency... let’s get rid of all the tyrants! So if bombing Libya’s is fine then getting rid of all of our Marxist tyrants in the same manner is equally fine.
Iran is doing this worse and is a much bigger threat to world peace. This Libya fiasco is pure political Kabuki theatre. Besides I read yesterday where George Soros sold nearly all his Mideastern oil stocks and started purchasing heavily in Brazil. Where has Obuggery been and what has he been doing this week?
Ayup, if the rebels win there’ll certainly be a thriving and vigorous multi-party democracy in Libya, the first ever in an Arab country. I can hardly wait.
———We are there because our English and French allies -——
We have asked the Brits to help us and they respond. This time is our time to be asked.
China? perhaps. That has not been revealed. It is possible that factions in Libya are upsetting the status quo.
My thought (and you are about the only one here that is close to what I think) is that something happened after it all began and initial plans/negotiations by the Euros fell through and that change necessitated military action.
My conclusion is we simply don’t know what happened or what is happening. It is secret.
I agree on all counts.
Both disasters, Ghani less so only because of limited commitment - although, the option of walking over the bridge to Termez not being available, the end could be a real mess.
Winning what, exactly?
Maybe sarkozy did catch gadaffi doing his wife? ;-)
20 year military vet here, and I agree with you
I cannot in history remember a time the Chairman of the JCS held a briefing within the fist 24 hours of a war and told the world he wasn’t sure how it was going to end
There is no evidence of a plan that is directed to that end.
It is VERY likely that Qaddafi will survive, stay in power, and of course he will do exactly as you say.
Didn’t support getting involved in Libya. As far as I can tell, we’re actually on the wrong side (I definitely prefer bloody-handed fascist dictators to Jihadis and Al Qaeda. They’re more predictable and easier to get along with.).
But now that the troops are in harm’s way, God speed, keep safe, and may they know victory.
I think Qadaffi screwed the pooch when he threatened to blow up the oil rigs
The europeans own Libya’s economic infrastructure, they bought and paid for Libya, including the Colonel himself
Qaddafi can be a naughty boy and blow an airliner or two out of the sky and plot to kill jews and Americans
but don’t touch the european oil rigs and pipelines
No one will understand whats going on in the middle east without understanding the prophecies in Daniel, Ezek, Revelation and scripture in general. All leadership in each of the countries will end up Islamic anti Israel/America. The impetus influencing what is happening is no longer of this earth. The set up for end time tribulation forces is in play.
Did they state item 1 in Arabic or English?
Remember “Taquiya?” It might be a lie in Arabic, but its DEFINITELY a lie in English.
We have no business being in Libya. Obama has violated the Constitution by using military force without congressional authorization.
He left the country at the same time he authorizes missile strikes on foreign soil.
He tells the world that we won’t use ground troops. He has no plan and no exit strategy.
I am afraid that there will be retaliation on US soil.
He justifies the assault under UN approval. WTF??? The UN now dictates our policies?
Boehner should be screaming at the top of his lungs for impeachment. He’s a damn pussy.
There are no leaders in congress or the white house.
IMPEACH this bastard!
Pathetic, wasn't it? Can you imagine a Bn or Bde Cdr giving that kind of cdrs statement in a mission briefar the tactical level? They would have been cashiered and rightfully so.
France and England are at severe detriment as to material and personnel on continent because their cultures are dying out.
Like all past European precedent, just blow the $hit out of everything on the ground, then move in and pick up the pieces.
China is overextended as far as force projection on the continent goes, and dying Europa sees this as opportunity.
Neither the Chinese or the Europeans really give a crap about all those brown people running around in the scrub and dunes. America is just a useful idiot, flailing about under the control of... no one in particular...
Imagine Ike giving that kind of drivel to the press on Jun 7, 1944
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