9th Circuit Court to hear eligibility questions

World Net Daily ^ | March 30, 2011 | Bob Unruh

[Danae]

You said: “What I have said is that it doesn’t matter. ‘Cause it doesn’t.”

That is where you are WRONG 100%.

The citizenship of people from other nations DOES matter.

Saying that it doesn’t is 100% MORONIC.

Just because a foreigner has a child born in the United states DOES NOT MEAN that the child doesn’t get its parents citizenship. NOR does it mean that the child is a Natural Born Citizen. It 100% does NOT.

I quote Secretary of State Fish August 25, 1875:

“…I desire further to call your attention to the following statement in the report of the citizenship board which was appointed during the administration of President Roosevelt… which report was forwarded to the Speaker of the House of Representatives by Secretary of State Elihu Root, with a letter of approval and commendation dated December 18 1906:

‘Inasmuch as our Government declares that all persons born in the United States are citizens of the United States, and also recognizes, as well as adopts, on its own part, the rule that children of citizens resident abroad are citizens of the country to which the parents owe allegiance there arises as will be seen a conflict of citizenship spoken of usually as dual allegiance. House Document No. 326, 59th Congress, 2d session, page 74.’ “

Dual allegiance or dual citizenship was well known, and has been for hundreds of years. It was a concept clearly recognized here in this quote. Obviously it mattered in 1875, enough to be spoken of. That has not changed.

Natural Born Citizenship describes a person. That description is of having a single allegiance, a single citizenship. There was NEED and still IS a need for such a description.

This state does NOT make two classes of citizenship. IT DESCRIBES THEM. There are people holding dual allegiances, and there are people who hold only one. There IS a clear difference, it does matter, and you cannot argue they are the same thing. CLEARLY they are NOT the same thing.

I have very low natural blood pressure. Do you need those pills? I am 107/70 in general. Describing reality isn’t a pressure filled thing. Its pretty darned easy. Denying reality... yea, thats not so easy is it? I would imagine you know a lot about that right about now.

[trumandogz]

And what “hearing” would that have been?

[Danae]

For Senate Resolution 511. It is the non-binding resolution stating that McCain is a Natural Born Citizen.

[trumandogz]

In other words, we are citing non-binding resolutions that mentioned a 135 year old court case which was made moot by a constitutional amendment?

And if you believe that these types of Resolutions have legal standing, you must look at H. Res. 593 (2009) which recognized the 50th year of Hawaii statehood and states that Obama was born in Hawaii.

[Danae]

I wasn’t saying it was relevant. I was just stating what the hearing was the other poster was refering to.

I have serious doubts about McCain being an NBC.

[omegadawn]

In 2008 there was supposed to be two hearing, one was to determine if John McCain was eligible to be President with not being born on American soil. It was determined (1795) that being born to parents that were American citizens made him Natural born. ( birth by blood-natural born).
obama’s hearing was scrubbed by democratic leaders. It could not have found him Natural born because of his father being foreign born. almost all records of obama’s scheduled hearing have been scrubbed by the media and the democratic party.

[omegadawn]

There has been no Constitutional amendments that changed the meaning of Natural born.

[trumandogz]

Why do you have a problem with the understanding of “Non- Binding” Resolution?

[Kenny Bunk]

Boy, you got the right stuff!

Report to San Diego tonight. An illegal alien couple has had a very likely looking child whom we think could be groomed for the Presidential election of 2050! find them, assure them that little Raúl or whatever is a "Natural Born Citizen," and that we are sending him to the top.

By the time lil Raúl becomes POTUS, the teleprompters will be in Spanish and he'll fit right in. And if Ghadaffi had a love-child with an American college freshman, why that kid would be an "Natural Born Citizen," too!

Once you are properly re-educated, there is absolutely no one who cannot be a "Natural Born Citizen," if we truly believe! (and BO/BS follows through by appointing Lula and Raúl Castro to the SCOTUS to join Kagan and Sotomayor.)

I cannot wait to start working for our POTUS' re-election in 2012. Once we figure out what name to use on the ballot, that is. Stay tuned, I see the months in the re-education center growing shorter for you ....and more good news .... I think we can START you as a counselor!

[Pilsner]

Describing reality isn’t a pressure filled thing. Its pretty darned easy.

I agree. Of course having scrummed to Birtherism, your pleasant state is based on a comforting delusion. That you, and your band of fellow Orly Taitz supporters, are serious political players, whose keen legal insights, and vast historical knowledge, have allowed them to discover a giant conspiracy to violate the Constitution, and that you are engaged in saving the Republic. Orly, or Kreep, or Berg, or

is going to write a legal brief that shows all the doubters, and get a judge to overturn the 2008 election, and the Secret Service is going to stack BO and Michelle's stuff out on the curb in from of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

Meanwhile, back in the real world, we have an election coming up in 18 months. I, and other Freepers who are more comfortable in the real world, will work toward defeating BO. You keep peddling your balderdash, that foreign law determines who can become our president. The more explicitly you do so, the clearer you make it to Freepers who haven't imbibed the Birther Kool Aid, just how divorced from reality -- legal, constitutional, political -- you are, so that fewer of them waste their time on Birtherism.

[Danae]

Look dear, I don't follow berg, or taitz. I have been reading congressional testimony. I have been reading founding documents and notes between the founders, their letters. I have been reading history.

What you are saying contradicts so much history that it is nothing short of laughable - what you are saying.

You may have buried your head in the soft warm sands of ignorance, but your ass is still up here in reality wriggling. Those of us who love here in reality can clearly see it, and can see it is about to get whopped into the 18th fairway like a titalist off a driver. But (pun intended), you will know what hit ya, because you have been hearing it from us for quite some time now.

This is no joke beeman. Natural Born Citizen means born in the sole jurisdiction of. Obama doesn't meet that constitutional requirement. And the consequences of this are MASSIVE. Mark my words dear. That driver is at full arc, and sometime here soon it's going to start it's downward swing if it hasn't already.

[Seizethecarp]

The hearing will be in Pasadena.

Court docket:

http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/calendaring/2011/03/28/npa05_11.pdf

UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE NINTH CIRCUIT
Location of Hearing for the MAY Calendar: Date of Notice:
Richard H. Chambers US Court of Appeals Bldg.
125 South Grand Avenue
Pasadena, California 91105 March 28, 2011

Monday, May 2, 2011 9:00 a.m. Courtroom 1

09-56827 Drake v. Obama

[Red Steel]

Do we know who will be presiding?

[Seizethecarp]

I think it will be three randomly selected members of the 9th. I will try to see if I can find out more (my CFS is bad today)...maybe a FReeper CA attorney or other federal attorney can come up with that more quickly!

[Seizethecarp]

Looks like we won’t know which three judges are on the Pasadena panel for May 2 until April 25.

Here’s what I found, including a list of the judges:

http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/uploads/rules/rules.htm

“Disclosure of Judges on Panels. The names of the judges on each panel are released to the general public on the Monday of the week preceding argument. At that time, the calendar of cases scheduled for hearing is posted in the San Francisco, Pasadena, Seattle, and Portland offices of the Clerk of Court and is forwarded for posting to the clerks of the district courts within the circuit. This provision permits the parties to prepare for oral argument before particular judges. Once the calendar is made public, motions for continuances will rarely be granted.”

[Seizethecarp]

Note that the docket entry has two “**” which means:

** MAXIMUM ARGUMENT TIME 15 MINUTES PER SIDE

Looking over the long list of cases, most are only allowed 10 minutes per side. I suspect that Kreep will be doing all of the talking, mostly in response to pointed questioning from the judges.

I am hoping that the pointed questioning will mostly be directed at the DOJ to get them to defend their contention that federal courts have no role to play in the event that a fraud lies to get sworn in. DOJ argued that after inauguration no plaintiff will have standing, no court can fashion a remedy and quo warranto does not apply, IIRC.

[Red Steel]

Yeah, I saw that 15 minute time limit from your 9th circuit link. Orly has been getting on a few shows lately.

James Lambert TV talk show "Night Lights" out San Diego. A 30 minute interview with Taitz:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTyyBGgVflE&feature=player_embedded#at=1151

http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2011/04/attorney-taitz-discusses-her.html

It would be nice to see the Obama lawyers squirm. Likely a circus of bloggers in the court room will give us a play by play or soon to follow with the details. I wonder if any precedent set by Watergate can be used against the DOJ/Obama argument?

[Forty-Niner]

“”Two US Citizens have a child on US Soil. Said child is a Natural Born Citizen.”

Yep! you got it......You’re the Man!

[Forty-Niner]

“Orly Taitz is an incompetant.”

Navy Seals can earn their title simply by not quitting their training. Tough it out and you graduate.....

Incompetant? Maybe....but she sure has guts.....and in my book that counts for a lot. I’ll take her or any like her on my side any day.

[Forty-Niner]

“You think we have citizens born here with full rights, and quasi-citizens, born here, but with only partial rights. Just how does that work?

(Hint: It doesn't. BO is either a natural born citizen, or an illegal alien.”

How could you so completely miss the ball?

All citizens of the United States have 100% equal rights. It matters not if you are a born citizen or a naturalized citizen.

Becoming the President is not a right, it is a privilege. Not all citizens may be president. They are subject to the restrictions as listed in Article II of the Constitution.

Naturalized citizens may not be President. Born citizens may become President if the quality of their birth is “Natural Born” that is born to two citizen parents on US soil. Born citizens who are not “Natural Born are not eligible to serve as President.

Assuming that Obama’s life story is as he has portrayed it in his biographies, that is, born in the US to 1 US Citizen mother and a foreign national (Kenyan/British subject) father, we can conclude that Obam is a born US citizen, but not a “Natural Born” US citizen.

There are those that claim that Obama has dual citizenship. All I know is that under British Law Obama has the right to go before a British Court and claim valid British citizenship. This fact alone precludes his being a “Natural Born Citizen” where sole allegiance is required.