Posted on 04/08/2011 4:15:07 PM PDT by cycle of discernment
Predictably Kirstin Powers, the resident Fox lib said how "destructive" this effort by Trump was for the Republican party (so kind of her to worry about the GOP)...but whoever that other SOB panelist was, how dare he dispense such an ill-informed chastisement of what Trump is doing...this guy makes the sweeping pronouncement that it is so utterly ridiculous, what an 'unserious' man Trump is.
I guarantee that jackass could not answer the first questions on any information about Obama's hidden BC.
How dare thatr pompous ass.
why do none of these geniuses ever ponder the question--how it is so ODD that Obama doesn't just produce it and why spend so much money to keep any evidence out of sight?
We had to mute it.
How did Kirstin know it was not true?
I don’t understand Trump’s motivation but I’m loving the fun so far. He’s probably the one guy that the Baraqqi/MSM coalition can’t shut up.
This is one reason I’m glad we don’t have cable.
I’ve gotten where when somebody uses the same old tired lines I just sort of hear it like Charlie Brown’s teacher. “Wanh wanh wanh”
lol.
video link?
She just KNOWS, you know.
We are talking about mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack Hussien Obama afterall, you know!
One cannot QUESTION such this superior being.
If he says so, so be it, paltry human!
It is NOT destructive. Search for the TRUTH is constructive.
They are all petrified that whole faux bama narrative is about to come crashing down.
How about a nice summary:
Who was on and what are their positions. Powers was predictable but how about the ‘conservatives’?
Strike Conservatives...insert Whigs.
It’s so destructive that he moved into second place after taking on the issue. We will be the ones voting. Not the chicken sh!@ Fox News panel.
One cannot QUESTION such this superior being.
They thought they had the question of his eligibility defeated when a Clinton appointee dismissed Berg’s case.
Well guess what, its back. And Trump has the power money and the b***s to shed some light on it. Why are the Dems so worried about it if it is a NON-ISSUE.
They seem very concerned. If he can produce a birth certificate it is really no big deal, right ?
Phillip J Berg a democrat nailed it.
He aint a natural born citizen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWTs1YyhFRg
Ask her if she thinks HUSSEIN is a Muslim. Lets bring it to the panel.
Chris, (don’t know his last name is) was more reasonable, saying Trump is asking the questions many Americans want answered, saying 40% of Reppublicans have these questions.
That other blind fool ( did not catch his name, he was filling in for Charles), was an arrogant jackass, offering nothing, not a molecule, to support his position that Trump is ridiculous and completely unserious.
Screw him, what a jerk.
Hussein lost his US citizenship when mother remarried and he went to Indonesia. He attended school in Indonesia at a time when only citizens were allowed to attend school there.
Indonesia did not provide for dual citizenship so Hussein would have had to go through IMMIGRATION upon return to the US thus considered a NATURALIZED citizen. He would no longer be considered natural born.
I’m sorry I missed it. I turned it off because I figured it would be more booooooooring stuff about Fed Gubbermint shutdown. Who was the guy you are particularly angry about?
Bam Bam is not any kind of a citizen.
He is NOT a citizen.
Natural Born Citizen is a child born to TWO American citizen parents! Not just born on American soil. Otherwise, all children born of foreign diplomats here would be NBCs. Obama never was a NBC.
Wow. It’s hard to believe that no one listened to him — especially with his credentials. I never saw that video. Hopefully Trump and others in the media will give it a look.
The thing that gets me is the standard liberal response that any questions about the BC have been debunked. An AP article yesterday on Trump said again that the BC issues have been “debunked long ago”. It mentioned the grandmother in Kenya who claimed she witnessed his birth there, and that it has been... “debunked.”
OK, how was it debunked, and what debunked it? If it’s debunked, fine - prove it, and debunk why Obama is paying legal fees to keep his records private. Straight answers are all anyone wants here.
why Obama is paying legal fees to keep his records private.
To the tune of 2 million dollars; producing the certifcate: FREE.
Well Trump would. If the liberal boobs in the media are interested in the truth they will investigate it.
Incorrect.
At the time, U.S. citizenship law did not recognize either dual citizenship or loss of citizenship if one was actually born in-country.
Indonesia may have considered him a citizen, but he had not lost his birthright under U.S. law.
He moved to Indonesia then returned to the US. It is possible he returned to the US and came back through immigration (which he probably did not) then would be considered a naturalized not natural born citizen.
He attended school in Indonesia at a time when only citizens were allowed to attend school there. Indonesia did not provide for dual citizenship. Therefore he would have needed to return to US though immigration to attain his naturalized status.
Here is a letter that Carlyle posted on obenthreads.wordpress.com that was intended for Rush Limbaugh and anyone else that will listen. I think he makes excellent points:
The Obama fraud — Why we are frustrated — Further to your conversation with a caller whereby it was insinuated that you were slow to come to this issue.
Yes, we understand that you were and are ahead of others in the Media in at least touching on this issue. But we are very frustrated that no one, yourself included, came even remotely close to addressing this issue with the vigor it deserves.
You and Donald Trump, still, have just tickled the edges of this monumental fraud and constitutional crisis. This is likely the biggest con, in the biggest leader, in the biggest nation in the history of the planet. And it gets second or third billing, or no billing at all.
There are thousands of us, tens of thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands or millions – highly educated professionals (lawyers, doctors, teachers, scientists, engineers) as well as industrious hard workers – who have quite thoroughly understood this issue and it’s depths and nuances since the middle of 2008. But nobody would listen to us. We have no bully pulpit. We understand that the liberal MSM would ignore us. But we are frustrated that our congressmen ignored us. We are frustrated that conservative spokesmen, such as yourself, ignored us. We sent letters and evidence, we sent millions of emails, we called into your broadcasts, and many others. We are uniformly rebuffed and discourteously rejected by the call screeners.
We tried to get the situation investigated BEFORE the 2008 election. Back when it could have done some real good. Nobody listened! Did we expect anyone to simply believe us hook, line, and sinker? Of course not, but we rightly expected people such as yourself and our congressmen to spend at least a LITTLE effort in investigating what we knew.
We know all about all the court cases. We participated in them. What do you (or Donald Trump) know about them? Do you know for instance that the merits of our case have never been heard? Ever! All cases have been dismissed for lack of jurisdiction or standing. How can “We The People” lack jurisdiction or standing to enforce our own constitution? This in itself is as big a problem as the Obama Crisis itself. Our courts have failed to provide any sort of process or redress. This is unacceptable.
Do you know that there is at least one high-profile political prisoner? A highly respected and decorated Army Officer is currently behind bars for no more than simply asking THE question. Is that acceptable in a constitutional republic?
There are credible sources who understand all this. Professional people who are way ahead of you and Donald Trump. Please don’t start from scratch and replow all that has been known for over two years. Seek out these people – or let them get through and talk to you.
Please. For the sake of our country and our constitution.
Powers called Donald Trump’s questions about BHOzo’s BC lies. According to BHOzo, his supposed father was a Muslim. I would expect his BC would list him as a Muslim. Wouldn’t a Muslim father insist that his son be referred to as a Muslim?
Do we know if his father was around when he was born? If not, maybe his mother listed him as a Caucasian on the BC?
Who knows? That’s the problem!
Trump is providing a service to the American people. We have a right as their boss to satisfy our concerns. If he has paid 2 billion in legal fees to keep this from us I WANT TO KNOW WHY!
Birth certificates don’t list religion.
In Arab culture and under Islamic law, if your father is a Muslim, so are you. And once a Muslim, always a Muslim. You cannot go back. In Islamic eyes, Obama is certainly a Muslim. He may think he’s a Christian, but they do not.
...a man we want as President when we are fighting the war of our lives against Islam? Where will his loyalties be?
It doesn’t matter what the US allowed. Indonesia did NOT allow dual citizenship. If Obama was a citizen of Indonesia his parents would have HAD to renounce his US citizenship. In order to attend school there he HAD to be a citizen of Indonesia and he DID attend school there so what does that tell you.
Correction: Comment#30 should have been openthreads.wordpress.com
So sorry.
Message to GLENN BECK.
Please Glenn, use your talents to start a conservative TV network that is not afraid to report real FACTS!
But, the real question is, does Trump have "gravatas"?
Makes no difference, whatsoever. He still had U.S. citizenship as far as the U.S. was concerned -- which is the only thing that counts in this issue. The U.S. was not -- and still is not -- bound by the citizenship laws of other countries.
Understand this, please.
“At the time, U.S. citizenship law did not recognize either dual citizenship”
U.S. law still does not recognize dual citizenship, they just don’t enforce the law. Yo are correct on that obama would have not lost his citizenship IF he was a citizen. That’s one of the problems, there is no evidence that he was born in Hawaii( legal in court).
While the term is commomly misused. birthright citizenship means that both your parents were U.S. citizens at birth( natural born). obama is not a natural born citizen and thus not the President of the U.S.
If his mother renounced his US Citizenship while he was a minor child, he could simply reclaim it when he turned 18 by stating that it was not his intention to be an Indonesian citizen.
If, however, he made a positive affirmation, after age 18,
such as applying for an Indonesian passport as an adult or applying for student aid to Occidental as a foreign citizen, THEN he could have lost his Native born status.
I think his legal name, well into his 30s, was probably Barry Soetero, He just went by the too cool Barack Obama cause it sounded so “African”. I think he finally got around to correcting all the paperwork after his big speech in 2004 when he decided that he wanted to be President. However, to get everything fixed without leaving a trail was too complicated and there may have been some folks along the way who didn’t always want to co-operate. (Grandma Toots?)
I also suspect that’s the reason that he had to be sworn in twice. I think they explained to John Roberts that he was really born in the US but his legal name was still Barry Soetero and if Roberts raised a stink, he’d single-handedly bring about the biggest race war this country had ever seen....so he caved!
Who was that strange guy on the panel in Krauthammers seat?
It doesn’t matter what the US allowed. Indonesia did NOT allow dual citizenship. If Obama was a citizen of Indonesia his parents would have HAD to renounce his US citizenship.
One of three things, or a combination of these, has happened:
1) Parents not US citizens
2) Possibly born in Kenya
3) Renounced US citizenship when adopted by Indonesian father in order to attend school there. Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship at the time. Became naturalized at that point rather than natural born.
A person who becomes a U.S. citizen through naturalization is not considered a natural born citizen. Naturalized U.S. citizens are not eligible to become President of the United States or Vice President of the United States, which would ordinarily be the case as established by the Presidential Succession Act.
Also U.S.-born children of non-citizen parents are U.S. citizens by modern-day law, but there is unresolved doubt as to whether such children are Constitutional natural born citizens.
Kirsten needs a spanking and I will step up to volunteer my services.
Kirsten needs a spanking and I will step up to volunteer my services.
I was also just reading this:
When Barack Obama’s birth was registered in Hawaii in 1961, who or what was the source of his birth information? Was it a hospital? A doctor? A midwife? Or was it based solely on a parent’s or relative’s statement?
If a child’s family has no reason to falsify a child’s birth information, we might accept a family member’s statement “as is”, without independent corroboration. Unfortunately, Obama’s parents may have had a compelling reason to commit birth certificate fraud. When Obama was born (on August 4, 1961), his father (Obama Senior) was not a U.S. citizen, and his mother (Stanley Ann) was too young to confer U.S. citizenship to a foreign-born child. Consequently, if Obama were born overseas, he did not acquire U.S. citizenship at birth.
If Obama were born outside of the United States, he was not a U.S. citizen by birth. Nevertheless, his parents could have acquired U.S. citizenship for him through birth certificate fraud. They could have (a) registered his birth in Hawaii as “unattended,” and (b) claimed (falsely), on his birth registration form, that he was born in Hawaii. Since Obama’s parents may have had a compelling reason to misprepresent their son’s place of birth, their uncorroborated statement, by itself, is insufficient to “verify” the President’s birth in Hawaii.
Well, actually, there is no evidence that he was not, either.
But whether or not he was born in Hawaii (or the USA) is the issue that is at hand.
The whole NBC thing is a red herring...a distraction.
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